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Eugene

(62,630 posts)
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:30 PM Feb 2022

Winter Olympics: Kamila Valieva failed drug test confirmed

Source: BBC

Winter Olympics: Kamila Valieva failed drug test confirmed

By Anna Thompson
BBC Sport in Beijing
Last updated on 11 February 2022 11 February 2022.
From the section Winter Olympics

Kamila Valieva, the 15-year-old Russian figure skating star who helped her team win Winter Olympic gold in Beijing, failed a drugs test in December.

Valieva, who was the first female skater to land a quadruple jump at an Olympics as her team won last Monday, had a sample collected on 25 December at the Russian Figure Skating Championships in St Petersburg.

But the positive result was only reported on Tuesday - the day after she helped to win team gold, but before the medal ceremony had taken place.

Valieva tested positive for trimetazidine, which is used in the prevention of angina attacks, but is on the banned list because it is classed as a cardiac metabolic modulator and has been proven to improve physical efficiency.

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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/sport/winter-olympics/60329120

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Winter Olympics: Kamila Valieva failed drug test confirmed (Original Post) Eugene Feb 2022 OP
She landed a quad on the world stage. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2022 #1
We don't know how much is her talent or the drugs. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #3
THat It Gave Her An Edge Is NOw Indisputable Me. Feb 2022 #4
She could have obtained a medical wavier for meds if she was ill. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #7
Exactly Me. Feb 2022 #12
Nonsense. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2022 #15
It gives her quite an edge. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #17
You almost have to be 15 to do it. bluedigger Feb 2022 #11
She's taking performance enhancing drugs, so her performance could have been, Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #13
Come on. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2022 #16
There are plenty of drugs out there that can increase your stamina. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #18
That's What They Said About... ProfessorGAC Feb 2022 #19
The IOC is finally getting serious about this. BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #2
Do they get to keep the gold? tishaLA Feb 2022 #5
If they do, any legitimacy the IOC had goes out the window. Angleae Feb 2022 #8
So, Are There Any Consequences? SoCalDavidS Feb 2022 #6
The Russians drug the child athletes on purpose. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #9
The sad part in all this, I believe, is. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2022 #10
At some point, the ROC needs to not be allowed to compete. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #14
I keep waiting to hear from the noble knights fighting to protect women's sports.. IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #20

BlueTsunami2018

(3,964 posts)
1. She landed a quad on the world stage.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:48 PM
Feb 2022

I don’t care what she was taking, that’s damned impressive at 15.

Irish_Dem

(56,530 posts)
3. We don't know how much is her talent or the drugs.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:10 PM
Feb 2022

She was using drugs to help her performance.

The drug she was taking pumped extra oxygen into her system to give her staying power.

She could do more than normal skaters.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
4. THat It Gave Her An Edge Is NOw Indisputable
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:26 PM
Feb 2022

and some are questioning that if she has a heart problem, why was she competing in the first place.

Irish_Dem

(56,530 posts)
7. She could have obtained a medical wavier for meds if she was ill.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:50 PM
Feb 2022

Hard to imagine a juvenile cardiac patient able to perform as a world class athlete.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
12. Exactly
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 12:00 PM
Feb 2022

I think the ruling hesitation has to do with the possibility her being ignorant of what the drug was for, however, that doesn't change the fact that she was given an advantage. She definitely shouldn't be allowed to to compete in the individual' program imho. I'm sorry for her if she didn't know especially as this will probably ruin skating for her forever.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,964 posts)
15. Nonsense.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:52 PM
Feb 2022

There isn’t a drug in the world that will assure you stick those landings or do the other elements with perfect balance. This is much ado about nothing.

Irish_Dem

(56,530 posts)
17. It gives her quite an edge.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 08:18 AM
Feb 2022

She has much more stamina and endurance than the other girls.

So she can do a blockbuster second half of her performance.
Without drugs she may not be able to pull that off.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,170 posts)
13. She's taking performance enhancing drugs, so her performance could have been,
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 02:37 PM
Feb 2022

you know, enhanced. It is likely she couldn't have landed it without the drugs.

And fuck Russia for giving PEDs to 15 year old. When they (kinda maybe a little bit) can't compete in the Olympics as a country for using PEDs.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,964 posts)
16. Come on.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:53 PM
Feb 2022

As I said above, there isn’t a drug out there that will help you stick those landings. You still have to do the tricks.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,170 posts)
18. There are plenty of drugs out there that can increase your stamina.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 11:30 AM
Feb 2022

The one she tested positive for as one example. That increased stamina is going to allow here to train more than her competitors and could very easily have made it possible for her to stick that landing based on her increased training.

Do you think Russia is feeding these PEDs to their athletes because they don't work?

ProfessorGAC

(69,742 posts)
19. That's What They Said About...
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 09:17 PM
Feb 2022

...hitting a baseball, too.
Enhancers are almost certain to (due to increased oxygenation, therefore reducing the build up of lactic acid) the ability to have added muscle fiber. Especially fast twitch fibers.
Fast twitch fibers increase the performance of explosion moves. Like jumping.
Jumping higher is a distinct advantage in skating jumps. That is undeniable. It's simple physics. The higher one jumps, the more time they're in the air.
The excuse was silly when it was used about hitting. It's a silly defense in this case, too.
PEDs, in fact, would help one stick those landings.

BigmanPigman

(52,216 posts)
2. The IOC is finally getting serious about this.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:49 PM
Feb 2022

Russian athletes say that they have to take drugs if they want to be on the team so it isn't as if they have a choice. This is really screwed up.

tishaLA

(14,320 posts)
5. Do they get to keep the gold?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:36 PM
Feb 2022

I can't imagine the could, but with this year's olympics, anything is possible.

SoCalDavidS

(10,540 posts)
6. So, Are There Any Consequences?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:38 PM
Feb 2022

Obviously if they get to keep the Gold medal, it simply proves that Cheating Pays, if you can get away with it. Which wouldn't be a big surprise.

Irish_Dem

(56,530 posts)
9. The Russians drug the child athletes on purpose.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:59 PM
Feb 2022

The Russians have a huge, sophisticated, successful doping program.

They particularly target the children because minors are given a protected status by the international doping review committees. Child athletes cannot legally give consent to drugs given to them.

So often times the kids just get a reprimand and are still allowed to skate.

Also some of the drugs for skaters have to be given pre-puberty.
Such as hormones which delay puberty. Puberty adds weight to skaters which can severely impact their ability to skate.

Some drugs are given to cause weight loss, which keeps the kids skinny.

Many drugs are given to increase performance. And can cause death and permanent injury.

In the United States it would be called child abuse and endangerment.

DinahMoeHum

(22,484 posts)
10. The sad part in all this, I believe, is. . .
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:43 PM
Feb 2022
the ROC team could have won the gold medal even without Valieva.

As it is, a proper punishment for this incident should be (IMO):

1) DQ the ROC for the team event, and strip them of their medal.

2) Let the other ROC skaters compete in their respective individual events (pairs, ice dance, singles) since as far as we know, they're clean.

BUT

Valieva should be declared ineligible to compete in ladies singles this Olympics. The backlash would be devastating if she were allowed to compete right now. Hell, she should be banned from internationally sanctioned competitions for a few years.



Sheesh, those fuckheads NEVER learn, do they?

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,170 posts)
14. At some point, the ROC needs to not be allowed to compete.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 02:39 PM
Feb 2022

They are the ROC because of PEDs and now they are still giving PEDs to athletes. How about we not let them do that? Let the athletes compete for another country. Then Russia likely won't get them back.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
20. I keep waiting to hear from the noble knights fighting to protect women's sports..
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:34 AM
Feb 2022

After all, girls and women's sports are all under attack! This is a Serious Problem™ and it needs Serious Action™! Sports should be a safe space for females, and it's total injustice that these girls lost to a doped-up 15 year old Russian girl! They all should've had a fair chance to win, and it was denied because of the cocktail of drugs she's on!

And I know they're around. They have to be. I saw them just the other day, speaking up and fighting valiantly to protect female athletes!

Who is going to do something?! When is it going to be done?! This cannot be allowed to happen to female athletes! This is Serious™! This is the worst injustice in the world today and....

Wait. What's that about Kamila Valieva? She's.... Ohh... OHHHH. Nevermind. All good. This isn't a travesty after all. Move along. Nothing to see here. All female athletes are free and safe from Serious Issues™.

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