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Baitball Blogger

(47,760 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:43 PM Jul 2012

Question about Queries and copyrights.

Something stuck in my mind. It's about copyrighting your manuscript. Apparently the advantage in copyrighting is that it would open the award punitive damages in an infringement suit per the Writer's Market book.

However, this is the issue. I understand that we are copyrighted from the moment we put our story down on paper, but it says in the book that copyright does not protect titles, ideas and facts.

I can understand titles and facts, but sometimes an entire story is hanging on an idea. So, what if you pitch that idea in your query? You don't give the ending away, but you give enough to introduce something you've never seen before. Is it possible that someone can take that query and use it for their own purposes to come up with their own story? It might not be ethical, but is it possible?

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Question about Queries and copyrights. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 OP
Yes it is possible. PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #1
So, even when I submit my query for examination, I'm Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #2
That's why you should only deal with reputable agents... PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #3
Manuscripts are copyrighted, but ideas are not. pnwmom Aug 2012 #11
An idea is not a book. Ideas are easy; writing books is hard. mainer Jul 2012 #4
I often say that ideas are a dime a dozen. SheilaT Jul 2012 #5
Thanks mainer. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #6
Ideas can't be copyrighted. yellerpup Jul 2012 #7
Sounds like copyrighting is the way to go. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #8
I think she must have been crazy. yellerpup Jul 2012 #9
Thanks! Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #10

Baitball Blogger

(47,760 posts)
2. So, even when I submit my query for examination, I'm
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:03 PM
Jul 2012

taking the risk that it's being circulated around to the agents favorite writers?

I went to a writing class once where the teacher insisted that our manuscripts weren't copyrighted. In the same breath he said that he goes to writer's conferences where they hash up new ideas. Gave me a creepy feeling.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. That's why you should only deal with reputable agents...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jul 2012

Is your 'idea' really that critical or is the rest of your story the important part ?

If they can take your idea and come up with a much better supporting story they can do that
once your book is released anyway.

pnwmom

(109,491 posts)
11. Manuscripts are copyrighted, but ideas are not.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:47 PM
Aug 2012

Please do not worry about having your idea stolen. Good writers are bursting with their own ideas; they don't need to steal yours. No one but you is capable of writing the story that is inside you.

(Do you think if someone told you about an idea for writing about a boy named Harry who went to Wizard School and conquered Lord Voltemort, you would have come up with anything resembling Harry Potter?)

mainer

(12,157 posts)
4. An idea is not a book. Ideas are easy; writing books is hard.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:53 PM
Jul 2012

It's my experience that those authors who are most paranoid about someone "stealing" their ideas are the ones least likely to be taken seriously by publishers and agents.

Publishing is not Hollywood. I've never heard of a single "idea" being swiped, and then assigned to a professional writer who must then devote the next year to writing an entire novel based on an idea that's not even his own. Most novelists have more book ideas than they have time to write; the last thing they want is to be "assigned" an idea made up by someone else.

When an agent/editor gets a manuscript with the "copyright" symbol on the front, they know from the get-go that the writer is a rank amateur.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. I often say that ideas are a dime a dozen.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:26 AM
Jul 2012

If I could sell ideas at that rate, I could make a good living.

Baitball Blogger

(47,760 posts)
6. Thanks mainer.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 07:38 AM
Jul 2012

I'm hiding my concerns badly because I spent so much time coming up with a clever pitch. Well, I thought it was clever. But what is magnifying the problem is that the project I was hoping would only take a week, has now eaten up a second week.

I decided to drop everything and start on the queries this weekend. Once I get something in the mail I know I'll stop worrying.

Thanks again!

yellerpup

(12,263 posts)
7. Ideas can't be copyrighted.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 09:58 AM
Jul 2012

Your script or your book should be copyrighted after they are finished so you can have proof is someone wants to sue you in court for 'stealing' their idea. I know an author whose publisher spent $10s of thousands of dollars defending her/their copyright against a person who legally had her name changed to my friends name AFTER my friend's book came out! She claimed that she had written this best seller and the original author had stolen it. I don't know why it took so long and took so much money to get such a bogus case booted out of court, but the lesson I took from it is to protect your work early because you never know when you'll have to fight for it.

Baitball Blogger

(47,760 posts)
8. Sounds like copyrighting is the way to go.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 10:01 AM
Jul 2012

Wonder why someone would think they could get away with that. In the end it must have been a costly ruse.

yellerpup

(12,263 posts)
9. I think she must have been crazy.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 10:08 AM
Jul 2012

That's a pretty insane thing to do.

You can copyright online if you make a pdf of your creation. You don't really need the piece of paper to prove it unless you go to court. Going to court is a rarity anyway, but if you ever, say, option your work to be made into a film they will want to see your proof of ownership. A copyright is accepted as proof of ownership in court; while a Writer's Guild registration is understood and accepted on the Left Coast and offers some protection, a WG registration has never been accepted as proof of ownership at trial. Copyright is cheaper, too. Good luck!

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