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niyad

(119,646 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:29 PM Jan 2016

WASPS (women pilots in ww2) denied burial in arlington (but, there is NO war on women!!)

(they were not even granted VETERAN status until 1977)


This female pilot was denied equal pay during WWII. Now Arlington Cemetery bars her remains.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
Elaine Harmon, a member of the Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) program during WWII. (Family photo via AP)

Elaine Harmon and her comrades flew Army planes across the country. They helped train pilots on how to operate aircraft and instruments. They towed targets behind them while soldiers below fired live ammunition during training. Harmon was aware that her service could cost her life: For 38 other women, it did.

But few people in 1944 wanted Harmon or women like her to be part of the military. Not Harmon’s mother, who believed that Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASPs) “were all just awful, just probably loose women” and was ashamed that her daughter would be one of them. Not civilian male pilots, who felt threatened by the female recruits. And not Congress, which voted down a bill that would have granted the female pilots military status for fiscal and political reasons. As World War II drew to a close, the program was disbanded and largely forgotten. It wasn’t until the Air Force began accepting women for pilot training in 1970 that anyone remembered women had flown for the military previously, and it was not until 1977 that the female pilots were finally granted veteran status.

Harmon, who helped campaign for WASPs to get that status, was at the first full veteran’s funeral for a WASP in 2002. It was a world apart from the brief affairs she had attended before, when urns containing a woman’s ashes were unceremoniously placed inside an outdoor structure at Arlington National Cemetery. It made Harmon proud to know that she also would be afforded full military honors when her time came — in April of last year.

Which is why Terry Harmon, Elaine’s 69-year-old daughter, was angered when Secretary of the Army John McHugh reversed the old rule and said that ashes of WASPs can no longer be inurned at Arlington Cemetery.

“These women have been fighting this battle, off and on, for over 50 years now,” Terry Harmon told the Associated Press.

. . . .

The WASPs Are Being Denied Burial At Arlington Cemetery



The great World War II was at its peak. So, on September 11, 1943, 28-year-old Sandy Thompson left her teaching job and volunteered for the Women Airforce Service Pilots, better known as the WASP. As a pilot, she towed targets for live antiaircraft practice, helped deliver planes to overseas bases, and tested new aircraft.

Of the 1,000 women who were WASPs, 38 were killed during their missions. Sixteen of these unsung heroes still live in Texas, and these pilots are part of the Greatest Generation.

WASPs were considered civilians until 1977. Then Congress granted them veteran status. In 2002, the WASPs were allowed to be cremated and have their ashes placed in Arlington National Cemetery, but now bureaucrats have decided that these veterans are not worthy of having a proper military burial and have revoked burial rights in Arlington. The reason they say is a lack of space. This is disgraceful. A lack of space is a sorry excuse to dishonor these veterans.

The government owns 23 percent of the land mass in the United States. Find space to permanently honor these female veterans.


http://www.texasgopvote.com/family/wasps-are-being-denied-burial-arlington-cemetery-008512




After Harmon died in April at age 95, her daughter, Terry Harmon, 69, of Silver Spring, Maryland, was dismayed to learn that the Army had moved to exclude WASPs. She said her mother had helped lead the effort to gain recognition for WASPs.

'These women have been fighting this battle, off and on, for over 50 years now,' she said.

Harmon’s family and others are working to overturn McHugh’s directive.

During the war, the women were considered civilians. But since 1977, federal law has granted them status as veterans. Since 2002, they have been eligible to have their ashes placed at Arlington.

McHugh’s memo, which Terry Harmon obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, says Army lawyers reviewed the rules in 2014 and determined that WASPs and other World War II veterans classified as 'active duty designees' are not eligible for inurnment — placement of their urns in an above-ground structure at Arlington.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3380720/Female-WWII-pilots-BARRED-Arlington-National-Cemetery-despite-government-permission-buried-there.html#ixzz3xkeIAdWg
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-fighting-female-world-war-ii-pilots-laid/story?id=36101302

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/01/01/women-wwii-pilots-barred-from-arlington-national-cemetery.html

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WASPS (women pilots in ww2) denied burial in arlington (but, there is NO war on women!!) (Original Post) niyad Jan 2016 OP
Arlington has become a complicated nightmare HassleCat Jan 2016 #1
for a time, WASPS were allowed there, but obama's sec of the army said no. niyad Jan 2016 #2
boston bean posted this story January 7th and Journeyman gave a good reply. TexasProgresive Jan 2016 #3
thank you. missed those posts. niyad Jan 2016 #4
That Truly Sucks Americananuck Feb 2016 #5
welcome to du. that the WASPS have had to fight for the recognition and honors and treatment niyad Feb 2016 #6
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Arlington has become a complicated nightmare
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jan 2016

Because so many veterans want to end up there, they have all sorts of strange rules about who is eligible and who is not.

niyad

(119,646 posts)
2. for a time, WASPS were allowed there, but obama's sec of the army said no.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

make it simple. close it down.

TexasProgresive

(12,280 posts)
3. boston bean posted this story January 7th and Journeyman gave a good reply.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:46 AM
Jan 2016

I wish that all who wish to be interred at Arlington National Cemetary could have their wish, but cemeteries do fill up. My wife tells a story from her childhood when she was walking with her uncle. They were strolling past a crowded Stamford, CT cemetery when her uncle pointed at it and said, "People just dying to get in there!"

Perhaps you needed to be there and know the wicked sense of humor that runs rampant in her family. It's why they accept me. I'm not in their league but I appreciated their twisted ways.

Back to this situation. It is sad that the WASPs were not and are not considered part of the the U.S. Army Air Force. They did allow for WASPs to be buried in Arilington and as there were really a limited number of these brave women maybe they should've allowed a space were they could be buried with their comrades of the air.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027509070
Journeyman (11,553 posts) Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:07 PM
12. The article makes plain there's rationale for not allowing her to be interred at Arlington . . .

Arlington is running out of room, is tightening eligibility requirements for everyone, and the rules do not allow for inurnment of either the WASPs or tens of thousands of others who served in positions other than active military. Further, WASPs are only eligible for burial at VA cemeteries; Arlington is an Army post and can be quite selective about who they allow.

I wish they could have honored this woman's desires, and maybe someone will step forward to assist the family.

It used to be, military veterans could ask to be buried in any national cemetery. But rules are changing as space becomes scarce. Used to be, if you wanted you could be buried at Gettysburg. It seemed strange, as I walked among the graves a few years ago, to see dates up through WW2. But the rule changed, and it made sense -- only those who fought at Gettysburg can now be buried there. The last burial was in 1997 -- the remains of an unidentified soldier were found lodged in the earthen sides of the railway cut. Because he could not be positively identified as Union, or disqualified for being Confederate, the decision was made to inter him in Gettysburg as a soldier.

niyad

(119,646 posts)
4. thank you. missed those posts.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jan 2016

it would be very interesting to see who is allowed to be buried there. as for the "no room" bs, these women are cremated. how much room does an urn take up?

 

Americananuck

(17 posts)
5. That Truly Sucks
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:24 AM
Feb 2016

My Canadian wife has educated me on how female pilots up here got acknowledgement that American women were denied.

niyad

(119,646 posts)
6. welcome to du. that the WASPS have had to fight for the recognition and honors and treatment
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

they deserve is beyond sickeningly sexist and disgusting.

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