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mahatmakanejeeves

(60,789 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:24 AM Jul 2018

Cops Want To Be Able To Shut Off Self-Driving Cars

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Cops Want To Be Able To Shut Off Self-Driving Cars

David Tracy
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1st Gear: U.S. Regulators Struggling To Decided If Authorities Should Be Able To Shut Off Self-Driving Cars

It’s more than just technology that’s holding back self-driving cars from becoming a widespread reality, it’s infrastructure: not just physical, but also legislative. Among the issues still on the U.S. government’s table as last March is whether authorities should be able to shut down a self-driving car remotely, with Reuters discussing a recently-released 39-page report:

In closed-door meetings last March, U.S. transportation regulators and others grappled with questions about whether police should have the power to disable self-driving cars and whether an automatic alert that a robo-taxi had been in a wreck could violate an occupant’s privacy, a report released on Tuesday showed.

The theme of the meetings was to discuss “legal, safety and social issues” associated with autonomous cars, and among those present, the news site reports, were representatives from the U.S. Department of Transportation, as well as “industry, labor, and advocacy groups.”

While law enforcement representatives mentioned that they might like the ability to control self-driving cars, a number of meeting participants were apparently concerned that such capability would give hackers a way in, with Reuters writing:

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Cops Want To Be Able To Shut Off Self-Driving Cars (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 OP
There's not enough self-driving cars out there to matter. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #1
It's already crazy simple to hack self driving cars htuttle Jul 2018 #2
I won't be trusting one for a ride to the airport let alone buying one discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2018 #6
I sense a slippery-slope coming up. DetlefK Jul 2018 #3
Seems to me, some authority needs to be able to shut off a rogue self-driving car(s). Hoyt Jul 2018 #4
This would be an Authoritarian tool when all cars are self-driving Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #5

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,678 posts)
1. There's not enough self-driving cars out there to matter.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jul 2018

I'm sure what they really want is the ability to shut off any and all cars.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
2. It's already crazy simple to hack self driving cars
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jul 2018

Just put stickers on signs, etc

http://www.thedrive.com/tech/13258/researchers-fool-self-driving-cars-with-stickers-on-street-signs

I do not plan to ride in a self driving car for many years.

To put this in perspective, I've been a professional software developer for 21 years, and spent over 15 of those years writing code for the transportation industry. I'm going to be one of the last people to trust those things, since I'm keenly aware of how difficult the problem domain is.

I just hope to avoid getting run over by one.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,569 posts)
6. I won't be trusting one for a ride to the airport let alone buying one
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jul 2018

Safety or mission critical s/w should be subject to rigorous requirements review and the object code ISO 15408 EAL 7 compliant.

IMHO Windows is bunch of band aids holding hands.

DetlefK

(16,451 posts)
3. I sense a slippery-slope coming up.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jul 2018

First they demand the ability to remotely shut off self-driving cars. Then they demand the ability to remotely shut off the car or smartphone of a suspect.



And all the while we still have next to no accountability for cops abusing their powers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Seems to me, some authority needs to be able to shut off a rogue self-driving car(s).
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jul 2018

Even where a "pilot" or safety-driver is required, it might be required to shut off and park the vehicle.

BTW -- How do I flip-off a self-driving car?

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,857 posts)
5. This would be an Authoritarian tool when all cars are self-driving
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:48 AM
Jul 2018

Could also make all cars that are outside of their home neighborhood report to the nearest police station.

Every car driven in San Diego by Jose and Mr. Zhi report to the ICE facility. With doors locked.

Every car with instructions in Chicago going to Fields area where a major demonstration is scheduled will be automatically diverted to a random location 15 miles away and parked for 8 hours.

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