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[Mosby]

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[jimfields33]

1. It definitely would help Israel and the Palestinians

For one thing, Israel won’t have to provide anything anymore to the area. And Palestinians can begin making a government and get some industries to come to the new country. Seems like a win win.

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3. There's a big sticking point. All the settlement land taken over the years.

How to work that out?

[jimfields33]

8. I think they'd have to use the boundaries of today

Who took what and why would have to be erased with the new countries. A new history begins today for them.

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2. Ok then. Hope the Biden admin gets involved...

but what happens with all the settlements and the land taken over the years?

That's going to take some long and hard negotiations like Pres. Carter did with Begin and Sadat.

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5. Good thought. But we both sense the answer.

The settlers won't want to be citizens in a Palestinian-dominated country.

There will have to be some tough negotiations. Blinken's State Dept. can handle it.

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7. I know. They know how they welcomed the Palestinians.

[jimfields33]

9. All that would have to be forgotten for this to work

Yesterday doesn’t matter, tomorrow is a new beginning. They have to get over the past for it to work or it never will.

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10. Negotiations will have to deal with the stolen lands.

Why is that it's the ones who have been victimized and suppressed for decades and had land and (wages stolen...US enslavement), always have to be the ones who have to forget the past and acquiesce to know compensation/reparations for past wrong doings?

The one side who dominated and stole resources has the wherewithal, after decades/centuries of draining resources, to be sincere and show good faith to negotiate some sort of agreement for compensation or there will always be bitterness, and thus no solution.

This same feeling has come up with the dying of the Queen as the bitterness in the former colonies and the commonwealth nations has been revealed to be still there because there was never any apologies or attempts at compensation.

That's human nature. The previously dominant side should not expect the victimized to just forget. They shouldn't just forget either.

[Israeli]

11. This is all about the upcoming elections .

He is looking to secure support from the Zionist and non Zionist Left which are the only ones today
who still demand an end to the occupation .

The polls are not looking good for Lapid .

So what does his rivals think about this announcement ???

Here : https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjlfuyt11j

Israeli politicians in uproar over intended Lapid 2-state speech

Among those slamming the PM for his reported intent, are members of his own coalition government including former PM Bennett, ministers Gideon Sa'ar and Ayelet Shaked; while others on the left, praise him for presenting a vision for the future

Itamar Eichner,Moran Azulai,Yuval Karni,Elisha Ben Kimon|
Published: 09.22.22, 11:19

Israel’s political field is in uproar over Prime Minister Yair Lapid’s expected speech in the UN General Assembly on Thursday, where he intends to support a two-state solution to the conflict with Palestinians.

Officials in the Prime Minister's Office on Wednesday, revealed the content of Lapid's speech which included what they described as his vision for a secure future for Israel.

Justice Minister Gideo Sa’ar criticized the planned speech. “The endorsement of a terrorist state in the West Bank will endanger Israel’s security, most of the Israeli people won’t allow it,” Sa'ar said.
Alternate Prime Minister Naftali Bennett wrote on Facebook that bringing up a two-state solution is wrong. “There’s no place or reason to bring up the idea of a Palestinian state," Bennet said in his post. "The government I headed achieved much in the West Bank without concessions, that will endanger Israel’s security.”

“There’s no place for another country between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river, and no need to work for Palestinian statehood. Empty words such as ‘two-states’ should be left in the 1990s, along with other things long passed,” he said.
Sources close to Bennett view Lapid’s intentions as breaking from the policies of the unity government formed by Lapid and Bennett. Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fought world powers over the issue, and they believe Lapid is speaking to left-wing voters when he addresses the possibility of a Palestinian state.

They also point out that Bennett stayed clear of the controversial issue during his time in office, and called Lapid’s shift from the agreed policy, an act of governmental “activism”, saying the government’s role was to maintain the status quo, not make new policies.
Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked spoke out against Lapid whom she said had no legitimacy to advance such policies and “to complicate matters with word which will damage Israel.

"Lapid only represents himself with his words, not the government. A Palestinian state is dangerous to Israel,” Shaked said.
The planned speech received criticisms from parties in the opposition. "Aafter Lapid established the first Israeli-Palestinian government, he now wants to endorse a Palestinian state bordering Kfar Saba, Netanya and Ben Gurion Airport, while giving lands to our enemies,” Likud said in a statement.
“While Netanyahu managed to keep the Palestinian issue off of the national agenda for years, Lapid worked to raise Mahmoud Abbas on a pedestal in less than a year,” the Likud said.

Bezalel Smotrich, head of the Religious Zionism party also said that Lapid was resurrecting's Mahmoud Abbas, made irrelevant by earlier governments.
"Gantz and Lapid are leading Israel down a dangerous path which brings talk of a Palestinian state back. We warned that this government will lead us back to the Oslo Accords,” he said.

Religious Zionism member and head of Otzma Yehudit far-right Itamar Ben Gvir, said that Lapid was rewarding terrorism.
Lapid’s party, Yesh Atid, said in response to the criticisms, Netanyahu spoke about the two-state solution in his speech in the UN in 2016. They referred to his speech where he said he was prepared to begin negotiations with the PA.
“I believe that for that broader peace to be fully achieved the Palestinians have to be part of it," Netanyahu said at the time.

The intended speach was hailed by parties on the left. “Millions of Israelis and Palestinians are waiting for a state solution which will end the bloodshed. I call on the Prime Minister to meet with Mahmoud Abbas in the UN assembly,” Meretz leader Zahava Galon wrote on her Twitter feed.