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Mosby

(17,329 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:24 AM Apr 2016

Large majority of Senate pushes Obama to boost Israel aid

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than four-fifths of the U.S. Senate have signed a letter urging President Barack Obama to quickly reach an agreement on a new defense aid package for Israel worth more than the current $3 billion per year.

Eight-three of the 100 senators signed the letter, led by Republican Lindsey Graham and Democrat Chris Coons. Senator Ted Cruz, a 2016 presidential candidate, was one of the 51 Republicans on board. The Senate's Democratic White House hopeful, Bernie Sanders, was not among the 32 Democrats.

"In light of Israel's dramatically rising defense challenges, we stand ready to support a substantially enhanced new long-term agreement to help provide Israel the resources it requires to defend itself and preserve its qualitative military edge," said the letter, which was seen by Reuters.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-large-majority-senate-pushes-obama-boost-israel-110809742.html

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Large majority of Senate pushes Obama to boost Israel aid (Original Post) Mosby Apr 2016 OP
Holy cow. 83 of 100. yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #1
Follow the money back to their campaign donors. procon Apr 2016 #2
Occam's razor Mosby Apr 2016 #3
It's a two way street, yeah? procon Apr 2016 #5
Well, Israel did save the world from Saddam and ISIS having nukes... shira Apr 2016 #8
So, are you suggestion this is some sort of guilt trip by extortion? procon Apr 2016 #9
Nope, just that's a 2 way street. Money isn't going down the drain. shira Apr 2016 #10
You have a different agenda. procon Apr 2016 #11
Me? I agree with your last statement - Israel should stop asking for money. shira Apr 2016 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #6
Maybe redo your post, because as it stands it's not understandable. King_David Apr 2016 #7
What's new? bjo59 Apr 2016 #4
Holy cow leftynyc Apr 2016 #13
Probably about Israel too... King_David Apr 2016 #14
America’s 83 Ignoramuses Are Enabling Destruction by Israel Israeli Apr 2016 #15

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Follow the money back to their campaign donors.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

I get why Republicans always pander to Israel when it comes to throwing money around to impress the religious right voters. The Dems don't have the same excuse, but between the lobbyists for AIPAC, the military industrial complex, and big banks, everyone gets a cash prize here.

Mosby

(17,329 posts)
3. Occam's razor
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:14 PM - Edit history (2)

Maybe the Senate Dems just like Democratic Israel and think they need our help given the complete cluster fuck the middle east has turned into.

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. It's a two way street, yeah?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

Seriously, there's "help" and then there's enabling, and the US doesn't look good playing the role of a codependent. If these self serving politicians can miraculously come up with more millions and billions to bail out Israel -- again -- then let's put Americans at the top of the recipient list instead and aid our own downtrodden citizens first.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
8. Well, Israel did save the world from Saddam and ISIS having nukes...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

...when it took out both reactors in 1981 and 2007.

So yeah, it's a 2-way street. The USA had no clue what was going on in Syria 2007. Today, ISIS could have nukes.

procon

(15,805 posts)
9. So, are you suggestion this is some sort of guilt trip by extortion?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

US citizens don't owe Israel money for bombing another country under the unsubstantiated -- and very questionable --supposition that "ISIS could have nukes". Yeah, that's quite a stretch... and I'm sticking with, no. Cut the dang purse strings.

If Israel or any other country needs humanitarian aid, wants agricultural assistance or cultural exchange programs, I'm all in. Look, if we have untapped billions laying around with nothing to do, how many American kids could get full university scholarships instead of enabling foreign political factions that perpetuate more deaths and destruction?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. Nope, just that's a 2 way street. Money isn't going down the drain.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

Without Israel, the US would have 10's of thousands of troops stationed in that area permanently, going back decades, costing untold billions per year - and American lives.

As to ISIS having nukes, it's true. Israel most likely saved the world from that.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/25/its-the-proliferation-stupid/

For its part, the U.S. intelligence community had totally missed Al-Kibar. It was completely taken aback by Dagan’s stunning revelations. Indeed, since the early days of the Bush administration, senior officials like Cheney and Undersecretary of State John Bolton had repeatedly queried the CIA about indications that Syria was pursuing nuclear weapons, including via cooperation with North Korea. After all, ample evidence existed that Pyongyang had for years assisted Syria’s ballistic missile efforts. Government officials with connections to the North’s WMD programs were regular visitors to Damascus. Yet until the day in 2007 that Dagan showed up at the White House, the CIA’s answer never changed: The evidence was insufficient to suggest that the Assad regime might be seeking nukes. In fact, when Bolton raised his suspicions publicly in a 2003 congressional hearing, the intelligence community went berserk, launching a furious campaign of leaks to undermine Bolton’s credibility.

The fact is that the United States dodged a bullet in Syria — and, it’s worth stressing, all courtesy of the Israelis. Not only did they discover Al-Kibar in the nick of time. They also carried out the attack that was almost certainly the only means of ensuring the reactor never went hot. The Syrian civil war has without doubt been a strategic catastrophe. But just imagine the nightmare that the world would have faced if, on top of everything else, we were also dealing with the nightmare of the Islamic State getting its hands on a plutonium-producing nuclear reactor.

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. You have a different agenda.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:56 PM
Apr 2016

Israel seems quite intent on running its military operations without desiring American accord, so why expect us to foot the bill? The government of Israel also seems quite determined to act independently, as shown by the recent schism with our president. Since they do not want US involvement in their affairs, why stop there, stop asking for money.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. Me? I agree with your last statement - Israel should stop asking for money.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:00 PM
Apr 2016

I'm totally for that.

Response to Mosby (Reply #3)

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
4. What's new?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

Forget about paying to fix the shameful infrastructure in this country.... you'd think Americans would get sick to death of it.

Israeli

(4,286 posts)
15. America’s 83 Ignoramuses Are Enabling Destruction by Israel
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:07 AM
Apr 2016
Your money, senators, is being spent on maintaining a brutal, illegal occupation that your country claims to oppose.

Gideon Levy Apr 28, 2016

The 83 U.S. senators who urged the president to increase military assistance to Israel are 83 ignoramuses and their letter is a disgrace. Israel of all countries? Military assistance of all needs?

Increasing military aid won’t add one iota of security to Israel, which is armed to the teeth. It will harm Israel. Those 83 out of 100 senators base their extraordinary demand on “Israel’s dramatically rising defense challenges.”

What are they talking about? What “rising challenges”? The rise in the use of kitchen knives as a deal-breaking weapon in the Middle East? The challenge for one of the world’s strongest armies to survive against young girls brandishing scissors? Hamas’ tunnels in the sand? Hezbollah, which is bleeding in Syria? Iran, which has taken a new path?

It’s time they expanded their narrow view and reduced the enormous aid they shower on Israel’s arms industry – one of the world’s largest weapons exporters – and its army.
The United States is allowed, of course, to waste its money as it sees fit. But one may ask, senators, if it makes sense to invest more fantastic sums to arm a military power when tens of millions of Americans still have no health insurance and your senate is tightening its purse strings despite the challenges of climate change.

A world power is arming a regional power as part of a corrupt, rotten deal. Your money, senators, is largely being spent on maintaining a brutal, illegal occupation that your country claims to oppose – but finances.

The weapons you provide are for a brazen state that dares defy America more than any of its allies does. It ignores America’s advice and even humiliates its president. It gets twice the aid you give Egypt, an ally that needs the money much more. It’s three times more than you give Afghanistan, which is devastated in part because of you.

It’s almost four times more than you give Jordan, which is in a precarious state due to refugees and the Islamic State. To Vietnam, which you destroyed, you gave $121 million, and to Laos, which you ruined, $15 million. Impoverished Liberia received $156 million and awakening, liberated South Africa $490 million.

But for Israel, even $3 billion a year isn’t enough. It gets more than any other country in the world yet insists on $4 billion, not a cent less, including an unconditional commitment for a decade.

If you’ve already decided to pour such huge sums on Israel, why on its army of all things? Have you seen what its hospitals look like? And if you’re financing weapons, why not condition it on the only democracy in the region’s appropriate behavior?

What do you have over there in the world’s most important legislature? An automatic signing machine for letters supporting Israel? An ATM for the Jewish lobby’s every whim? Only 17 of 100 senators were courageous enough, or bothered to think for a moment, before they signed another scandalous venture by AIPAC and the Israeli Embassy.

More money to arm Israel will end in blood. It must end in blood. There are old weapons that must be used and new weapons that must be tried (and then sold to Azerbaijan and Ivory Coast).

This destructive, murderous force will fall again on devastated houses in Gaza, and America will finance it all once again. The money will also corrupt Israel. If this is the prize for its refusal to make peace and its flouting of international law, why shouldn’t it behave this way? Uncle Sam will pay.

The senators who signed the letter didn’t act for either their country’s good or Israel’s. It’s doubtful whether they know what they signed. It's doubtful whether they know what the real situation is.

Maybe among them are people of conscience or people familiar with their country’s national interests. But the blood money will serve neither those interests nor morality.

Gideon Levy
Haaretz Correspondent

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.716703
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