Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumMichael Oren: Sanders should apologize for Gaza ‘blood libel’
http://www.timesofisrael.com/mk-oren-sanders-should-apologize-for-gaza-blood-libel/Oren, who served as Israels ambassador to the United States between 2009 and 2013, argued that the presidential candidates comments delegitimize the Jewish state and endanger its security.
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He accused us of a blood libel. He accused us of bombing hospitals. He accused us of killing 10,000 Palestinian civilians. Dont you think that merits an apology? Oren went on.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It is 5 times higher than the actual number.
I would be curious to know what his source was.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)who make up his base.
shira
(30,109 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)He said killed, not injured.
shira
(30,109 posts)He probably learned somewhere that there were 10,000 injured but got his facts confused somehow.
I don't think he pulled 10,000 out of his ass.
I have a bigger problem with Bernie's contention that Israel indiscriminately killed civilians.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Which is also incorrect.
He cited the UN figure which represents the total number of people killed, out of which only a percentage were civilians. The highest estimates of civilian casualties is around 1,500.
He also did not seem to have any actual position on what an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal should look like.
shira
(30,109 posts)safeinOhio
(33,957 posts)is a propaganda rag.
But in the NY Daily News interview, Sanders did say that 10,000 civilians were killed in Gaza in 2014 and the actual number is around 2,000.
I wonder where he got the incorrect information from.
dr60omg
(283 posts)Oren is a horrible human being to use as a source. Do you du people understand what blood libel signifies ... he never said blood libel he said libelous and he should be able to say what ought to be said about Israel. Maybe it takes a Jew to say what needs to be said to Israel. Sanders worked on a kibbutz, he gets what happened. He gets what precipitated the PUDDING WAR. If, you don't know what that is then please don't try to appropriate what some crazy right wing nut former ambassador says about an American presidential candidate
shira
(30,109 posts)I'm betting you can't.
dr60omg
(283 posts)OK here goes: that game with Iran: He also laid into the White House, repeating his charge that Obama put daylight between the U.S. and Israel as a matter of policy when he spoke in Cairo in 2009. Under presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, the two countries tried to keep their problems behind closed doors, he added.
By contrast, any mistakes Israel has made, any surprises, he reiterated, were honest, as in 2010 when the Jewish state announced a plan to expand settlement housing in East Jerusalem when Vice President Joe Biden visited the country
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/michael-oren-new-book-obama-iran-deal-119317#ixzz45AnjSuj3
Sorry PEACE is an issue and Oren has always been anti-President Obama
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/michael-oren-interview-obama-israel/396896/
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/10/michael-oren-anti-obama-memoir-347759.html
Want more? Did you notice as I did how newsweek said
"Oren who renounced his U.S. citizenship and now serves as a lawmaker in Netanyahus right-wing coalition, transforms from a measured historian into a breathless polemicist."
http://www.thenation.com/article/michael-oren-and-the-end-of-liberal-zionism/
shira
(30,109 posts)And HRC has campaigned on closing the daylight between the US and Israel.
As to serving in Bibi's government, Oren has been pretty critical of Netanyahu after he was done being ambassador.
Many on Israel's Left have been critical of Obama too.
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Lastly, you make it appear that anyone disagreeing with Obama must be rightwing. Do you support Obama 100% on everything? Because if not, then according to your train of thought you're rightwing.
dr60omg
(283 posts)Really you have to be kidding me. He is exceptionally right wing http://forward.com/opinion/editorial/310749/michael-oren-you-hardly-know-us/
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/michael_oren/
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/michael-oren-is-tired-of-american-jews-and-so-am-i/2015/07/05/
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.663364
http://www.acjna.org/acjna/articles_detail.aspx?id=655
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/15/a-jewish-state-vs-the-jewish-state/
The book was after he left Netanyahu's cabinet
http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/1758/michael-oren-and-the-decline-of-american-jewry
You want to discuss the bulletin boards and the commercials leveled at 1/2 Israeli 1/2 American kids http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/israel-pulls-dont-marry-a-us-jew-ads/story-e6frg6so-1226212973938
You know why they did this don't you
shira
(30,109 posts)You know who Isaac Herzog is?
Ari Shavit?
Aluf Benn?
They cannot possibly be described as rightwing, and yet they opposed Obama's Iran deal.
Just as the 57 House Dems originally did.
That doesn't imply they're all rightwing.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)If someone is going to discuss something they should either know what they're talking about or not comment. Pulling numbers out of ones ass is unacceptable and should be called out.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Those who want the truth told?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)So him and his friends, basically, he's a jerk, I remember him.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Source: http://www.timesofisrael.com/clinton-hits-back-at-sanders-over-gaza-comments/
bemildred
(90,061 posts)"I keep pulling the lever and nothing happens."