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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:54 AM Apr 2016

Michael Oren: Sanders should apologize for Gaza ‘blood libel’

http://www.timesofisrael.com/mk-oren-sanders-should-apologize-for-gaza-blood-libel/

rnie Sanders should retract and apologize for his “libelous” suggestion that Israel killed more than 10,000 innocent Palestinians during the last Gaza war, MK Michael Oren said Thursday, asserting that the Democratic candidate’s misrepresentation ultimately serves the interests of Hamas and other terrorist groups.

Oren, who served as Israel’s ambassador to the United States between 2009 and 2013, argued that the presidential candidate’s comments delegitimize the Jewish state and endanger its security.

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“He accused us of a blood libel. He accused us of bombing hospitals. He accused us of killing 10,000 Palestinian civilians. Don’t you think that merits an apology?” Oren went on.
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Michael Oren: Sanders should apologize for Gaza ‘blood libel’ (Original Post) ericson00 Apr 2016 OP
I wonder where Bernie got that 10,000 number from oberliner Apr 2016 #1
probably from the nutcases on the internet ericson00 Apr 2016 #3
That may be those who were injured. n/t shira Apr 2016 #7
He said: "my recollection is over 10,000 innocent people were killed in Gaza" oberliner Apr 2016 #8
Right. He got it mixed up. shira Apr 2016 #15
Today on MSNBC he said over 2,000 civilians were killed in Gaza oberliner Apr 2016 #18
That's not good. n/t shira Apr 2016 #19
Times of Israel safeinOhio Apr 2016 #2
True oberliner Apr 2016 #6
Oren is a putz accusing a Jew of saying blood libel. Oren is a right wing whack job dr60omg Apr 2016 #4
What a load of shit. Name one position of Oren's that makes him rightwing. shira Apr 2016 #5
Want to make a bet sorry I did not answer earlier dr60omg Apr 2016 #9
57 House Dems had to be convinced personally by Obama to sign onto the Iran deal.... shira Apr 2016 #10
I don't support anyone blindly but to see Oren is not right wing is like saying Dermer is NOT dr60omg Apr 2016 #12
Dermer is rightwing, Oren is centrist at worst. shira Apr 2016 #14
Disgraceful. grossproffit Apr 2016 #11
They are getting desperate. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #13
Since when are facts considered desperate? grossproffit Apr 2016 #16
I didn't say the facts are desperate. Facts are not people, they don't have feelings. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #17
Who is getting desperate? leftynyc Apr 2016 #20
Oren would certainly be one of them? bemildred Apr 2016 #21
Sanders: “Who is Mr. Oren?” Little Tich Apr 2016 #22
That's why they're desperate, nobody is paying them any attention any more. bemildred Apr 2016 #23
Not knowing Oren doesn't speak well for Sanders' knowledge of foreign policy. n/t shira Apr 2016 #24
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. I wonder where Bernie got that 10,000 number from
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

It is 5 times higher than the actual number.

I would be curious to know what his source was.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. He said: "my recollection is over 10,000 innocent people were killed in Gaza"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

He said killed, not injured.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. Right. He got it mixed up.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:02 AM
Apr 2016

He probably learned somewhere that there were 10,000 injured but got his facts confused somehow.

I don't think he pulled 10,000 out of his ass.

I have a bigger problem with Bernie's contention that Israel indiscriminately killed civilians.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. Today on MSNBC he said over 2,000 civilians were killed in Gaza
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:51 AM
Apr 2016

Which is also incorrect.

He cited the UN figure which represents the total number of people killed, out of which only a percentage were civilians. The highest estimates of civilian casualties is around 1,500.

He also did not seem to have any actual position on what an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal should look like.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. True
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

But in the NY Daily News interview, Sanders did say that 10,000 civilians were killed in Gaza in 2014 and the actual number is around 2,000.

I wonder where he got the incorrect information from.

dr60omg

(283 posts)
4. Oren is a putz accusing a Jew of saying blood libel. Oren is a right wing whack job
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

Oren is a horrible human being to use as a source. Do you du people understand what blood libel signifies ... he never said blood libel he said libelous and he should be able to say what ought to be said about Israel. Maybe it takes a Jew to say what needs to be said to Israel. Sanders worked on a kibbutz, he gets what happened. He gets what precipitated the PUDDING WAR. If, you don't know what that is then please don't try to appropriate what some crazy right wing nut former ambassador says about an American presidential candidate

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
5. What a load of shit. Name one position of Oren's that makes him rightwing.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

I'm betting you can't.

dr60omg

(283 posts)
9. Want to make a bet sorry I did not answer earlier
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

OK here goes: that game with Iran: He also laid into the White House, repeating his charge that Obama put daylight between the U.S. and Israel as a matter of policy when he spoke in Cairo in 2009. Under presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, the two countries tried to keep their problems behind closed doors, he added.
By contrast, any mistakes Israel has made, any surprises, he reiterated, were “honest,” as in 2010 when the Jewish state announced a plan to expand settlement housing in East Jerusalem when Vice President Joe Biden visited the country
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/michael-oren-new-book-obama-iran-deal-119317#ixzz45AnjSuj3

Sorry PEACE is an issue and Oren has always been anti-President Obama

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/michael-oren-interview-obama-israel/396896/
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/10/michael-oren-anti-obama-memoir-347759.html

Want more? Did you notice as I did how newsweek said
"Oren who renounced his U.S. citizenship and now serves as a lawmaker in Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition, transforms from a measured historian into a breathless polemicist."
http://www.thenation.com/article/michael-oren-and-the-end-of-liberal-zionism/

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. 57 House Dems had to be convinced personally by Obama to sign onto the Iran deal....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:35 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/obama-congress-democrats-iran-nuclear-deal/

And HRC has campaigned on closing the daylight between the US and Israel.

As to serving in Bibi's government, Oren has been pretty critical of Netanyahu after he was done being ambassador.

Many on Israel's Left have been critical of Obama too.

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Lastly, you make it appear that anyone disagreeing with Obama must be rightwing. Do you support Obama 100% on everything? Because if not, then according to your train of thought you're rightwing.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. Dermer is rightwing, Oren is centrist at worst.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:59 AM
Apr 2016

You know who Isaac Herzog is?
Ari Shavit?
Aluf Benn?

They cannot possibly be described as rightwing, and yet they opposed Obama's Iran deal.

Just as the 57 House Dems originally did.

That doesn't imply they're all rightwing.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
16. Since when are facts considered desperate?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:19 AM
Apr 2016

If someone is going to discuss something they should either know what they're talking about or not comment. Pulling numbers out of ones ass is unacceptable and should be called out.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. Oren would certainly be one of them?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:33 AM
Apr 2016

So him and his friends, basically, he's a jerk, I remember him.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
22. Sanders: “Who is Mr. Oren?”
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:18 AM
Apr 2016
Asked about criticism from Oren, Sanders asked, “Who is Mr. Oren?” Told who Oren is, Sanders said, “I see. And he’s attacking me for a statement I did not make.”


Source: http://www.timesofisrael.com/clinton-hits-back-at-sanders-over-gaza-comments/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. That's why they're desperate, nobody is paying them any attention any more.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

"I keep pulling the lever and nothing happens."

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