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Kaleva

(38,813 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 07:20 PM Monday

My plans in preparing for a frugal future

This thread will constantly be updated and revised as I accomplish tasks, make revisions when and where needed or add new projects. When I edit this thread, I'll put the date when I did so in the OP title.

This may be of some interest for others and I'm also going to use it to organize all the information for this multiyear project in one place.

So, this initial posting will be a very rough draft which I'll flesh out over time such as adding links and more information.

One of my biggest projects in the past few years is converting my entire backyard into a vegetable garden and orchard. I've planted apple trees, plum trees, peach trees, hazelnut trees, raspberry bushes, blueberries, chives, strawberries, honeyberries, asparagus and rhubarb. This spring I plan on planting cherry and pear trees and hopefully within a couple of years, grapes. My backyard isn't that big but I'm trying to maximize space by using backyard orchard culture techniques where I plant the trees together in groups of two and will be keeping them pruned to a 8' high by 8' spread.

I also want to make the backyard into a habitat for native bees such as the bumblebee, miner and leaf cutter bees. I'll accomplish this planting perennial flowers, allowing dandelions and white clover to grow and by providing nesting for the bees.

After a year of effort, I was granted a variance to keep up to four hens. I got them last October and they are in a coop with covered run. I have Gold Lace Wyandottes and they are beautiful birds. The coop and attached run are in the southeast corner of the vegetable garden.

This year I plan on installing electric fence around the perimeter of the orchard and vegetable garden to keep the darn deer out. It'll be solar powered.

In order to store some of the food I harvest, I plan on using cold storage, fermentation, canning, pickling and dehydration. I built a root cellar under the basement access, but it doesn't stay above freezing during the coldest part of the year, so I have to make revisions or just use it when outdoor temps are 30 degrees or higher. I could just move the content of the root cellar into the basement itself as that is very chilly during much of the winter.

To help ride out times of food shortages or when going to the store may not be advisable such as when covid hit, I intend on building up a 120-day food supply and a 45-day water supply. The ingredients or meals will be shelf stable or dry goods. I have a menu planner which I'll fill out so that will make it easier for me to keep in stock premade meals and dry goods. To help store this, I'll need to build another set of shelves in the basement. Below is a list of meals I plan on having canned and in stock:

Chilli
Spaghetti sauce
French Onion soup
Charro Bean soup
Black Bean & Lentil soup
Baked Beans
Beef Vegetable stew
Zuppa Toscana soup
Refried Beans
Borscht soup
Pickled Sucker fish
Dutch Coleslaw
Sauerkraut
Kimchi (my version of it)
Beets (when in season)
Green Beans (when in season)
Asparagus
Pears
Peaches
Plums

Dehydrated foods will be mostly onion, chives, tomatoes (ground into a powder). Fermented foods will be beans, sugar snap peas, sauerkraut (some of which I'll can for longer shelf life), kimchi (some of which I'll can for longer shelf life), and tomatoes. Pickled foods will be eggs and sucker fish.

My garden plan will consist of two parts. One will be for normal times when seeds are readily available and the other will be for times of emergency where I'll concentrate on the very basics. By basics, I'm talking about foods that are relatively easy to store and/or crops I can easily get seeds from for the following year such as potatoes, garlic, winter squash, summer squash, peas, beans, tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers. I'm considering learning how to harvest seeds from beets, carrots, rutabagas, cabbage, and onions. However, the bulk of the emergency garden will be dedicated to the growing of potatoes and winter squash. I have a garden planner which, once I get accurate measurements, I'll be able to use that to determine how much I could plant.

For perennial vegetable plants, I already have rhubarb, asparagus and chives. I want to plant horseradish, Jerusalem artichokes and lovage (a celery substitute). There are many patches of cattails withing a reasonable walking distance from me and I'd like to become proficient at harvesting and preparing the parts of the cattail that are edible.

I have found that many of the weeds in my garden are edible and when I've been out in the garden, I've eaten my fill when weeding. So, instead of throwing the weeds away, I'll use them to make a salad. It is the quack grass that's my enemy but even they can serve a purpose as the roots of the grass and the grass itself can be chopped up and feed to the chickens. Three of the edible weeds I have in my garden:

Pigweed
Purslane
Dandylion


I mentioned before that I have chickens, and another goal is to come up with a plan on how to feed them in case chicken feed from the stores isn't available. I purchased a book, first issued in 1941, titled "Keeping Poultry and Rabbits on Scraps" which I intend on reading soon. Spring through fall wouldn't be too much of an issue as I'll build a chicken tractor from plans, I got from the University of Wisconsin, and they'll be able to find much of their food on their own, as I move the tractor each day. It is winter that I'm more concerned about.

Keeping rabbits is a possibility that I'll do more research on.

As for larger animals, I'm considering the American Black Belly hair sheep to be used as a source of meat. I don't have the land here in ton to raise such but my stepchildren own property outside of town and a brother lives at the old family farm some miles away. A small herd at each location would suffice for normal times but for frugal times, I've calculated the two herds would need to consist of 4 rams and 50 ewes in order to supply my extended family of 40 individuals with an adequate supply of meat. Both places have more than enough open fields to pasture that number of sheep along with their offspring.

I have had the materials for but haven't gotten around to building a waterless toilet in the basement for situations when water from the village is out.

Ok, that's it for tonight. I have much more to write but that'll have to wait for some other days. I'm looking at my notes and I've just scratched the surface.




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My plans in preparing for a frugal future (Original Post) Kaleva Monday OP
Wow incredible, and I have questions LearnedHand Monday #1
Answers to your questions Kaleva Monday #4
Amazing & fascinating leighbythesea2 Monday #2
4b. The winters do seem to be getting more mild though Kaleva Monday #6
Excellent Plan PikaBlue Monday #3
That's impressive! Kaleva Monday #5
But I'm not as self-sufficient as I would like to be PikaBlue Monday #7
No one individual can be truly self sufficient Kaleva Tuesday #10
Do you have a sunny spot where you can grow veggies in pots? Cassidy Tuesday #8
I have a spot, some pots, and a plan. PikaBlue Tuesday #9

LearnedHand

(4,357 posts)
1. Wow incredible, and I have questions
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 07:29 PM
Monday

This is simplistic, but do you have a job? How do you manage what it takes to do all this if so?

Second, you seem to have a lot of expertise. Where did you learn about planting, what can be planted together, and how to preserve what you grow?

Third, what's your growing zone? Do you have to deal with colder winters or dry summers?

I'm looking forward to more of your entries in this project!

Kaleva

(38,813 posts)
4. Answers to your questions
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:14 PM
Monday

I'm on SS but took on a part time job partly to help provide funds for these projects. I've been doing this for several years now and I expect it will take many more.

Much of what I learned is from hours and hours of research. Watching YouTube videos, reading articles and being a member of various groups on Facebook that specialize on topics I'm interested in .

I live in zone 4b.

leighbythesea2

(1,232 posts)
2. Amazing & fascinating
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 07:38 PM
Monday

I will be tuning in. My grandmother was so good at some of what you describe. I love this. I hope to learn a lot. I like the questions from the post above. Which growing zone are you in?
Bookmarked.

PikaBlue

(275 posts)
3. Excellent Plan
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 07:40 PM
Monday

I wish I could have a garden; however, our HOA doesn't permit them. If we could change their minds, we wouldn't be allowed to fence them in. My property is adjacent to a large nature preserve so whatever I would grow would feed the abundant wildlife. Fortunately, I live in a highly agricultural area and have friends from whom I can purchase vegetables and eggs. Tge Amish community are also a go-to source for me. In addition, I have invested in container gardening and plan to grow root vegetables. I have purchased both wet and dry canning equipment as well as two freezers and water purification equipment. I have stocked up on food and over the past four years have purchased clothing, toiletries, and cleaning supplies as a hedge against inflation and/or tariffs. I can sew and I am learning to knit. My major focus has been financial. Both my grandmother and mother drilled into me to clear debt, buy extra coats and shoes, and always keep some cash on hand. It has been a huge struggle, but I now own everything including my home and car and I have no credit card debt. I don't have much else but I have essentials and that's good enough for me. Between the struggle of the Great Depression and the rationing of WWII, my family had a wealth of frugal tips to pass down to me. I really love this post and hope you will keep it going so that we can share ideas. I would really appreciate other people sharing their knowledge. Thank you for taking the time to share yours.

PikaBlue

(275 posts)
7. But I'm not as self-sufficient as I would like to be
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:48 PM
Monday

I have no experience growing my own food and no experience in preserving it. I will be retiring in a few months and will learn to can. I'm also going to attempt growing some basic vegetables in containers but have no idea if I will have any success. Looking back, I wish that I had invested in a house with at least an acre or two of land. My grandmother raised and preserved all of her own food. She had fruit trees and a huge vegetable garden. The family had chickens, a dairy cow and raised two pigs each year. My mother said they purchased flour, salt, coffee, sugar and shoes. Everything else was produced by their own efforts. At the time I purchased my home for myself and my daughter, I was a divorced, working mom and had neither the time nor the money to maintain that much property. It was difficult to find time to mow my one-third acre and keep up with the landscaping. I now wonder if I made the wisest choice; however, at 72 years of age, I doubt I could manage to be completely sufficient. I certainly admire those who are able to do so. What I have been working on is making connections with people who do have large gardens, chickens, etc and who are willing to sell to me or accept my labor in exchange for food. I think things may get difficult for everyone but the billionaires and communities will need to work together and to help one another. That's why I am so grateful for this discussion post. Hopefully, it will attract people with knowledge and experience to share.

Kaleva

(38,813 posts)
10. No one individual can be truly self sufficient
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:39 AM
Tuesday

We all have to be part of some type of community.

Your comment:

"What I have been working on is making connections with people who do have large gardens, chickens, etc and who are willing to sell to me or accept my labor in exchange for food."

Everybody's situation is different and you have a plan that fits yours.

Cassidy

(216 posts)
8. Do you have a sunny spot where you can grow veggies in pots?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 12:48 AM
Tuesday

In spite of the HOA, you might be able to grow some veggies in pots. I have had the most success with tomatoes, peas, cucumbers, and zucchini. It is important to have the pots (5 gallon or so) where they will get good sunlight and where it isn't too troublesome to water them. Seed packages often indicate which varieties are best for growing in pots, usually bush types. Good luck!

PikaBlue

(275 posts)
9. I have a spot, some pots, and a plan.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:05 AM
Tuesday

I have a sunny upper deck on my home that is inaccessible to wildlife and I have purchased grow pots and other suitable containers. Water is located a few steps away in my kitchen. I would like to grow white potatoes, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, cucumbers and maybe some squash this season. I may ask you for recommendations on soil and fertilizer. Thanks for your recommendations!

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