A Guide to Electric Car Misinformation (part 2)

[Think. Again.]

Last week I posted an article from the same author on the most common lies about Electric Vehicle policy here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127173094

Here are some excerpts from part 2 on the most common lies about EVs in general.

By Emily Atkin, Apr 03, 2024
Full Article: https://heated.world/p/a-guide-to-electric-car-misinformation-a6a

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Misleading: It’s more environmentally harmful to make an EV than a gas car.

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What’s misleading about the statement is not the statement itself, but the context in which gas car proponents say it. Usually, they’re saying it to convince you that electric cars are way worse than gas cars for the environment. And that’s just frankly illogical, because the vast majority of pollution that comes from cars does not come from making the car. It comes from driving the car.



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Misleading: The U.S. electric grid can’t handle widespread EV adoption.

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In California—the national leader in electric cars with more than 1 million plug-in vehicles—EV charging currently accounts for less than 1 percent of the grid’s total load during peak hours. In 2030, when the number of EVs in California is expected to surpass 5 million, charging is projected to account for less than 5 percent of that load, said Buckley, who described it as a “small amount” of added demand.

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More EV claims, untangled

The Guardian’s “EV mythbusters” series,...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters

...written by financial journalist Jasper Jolly, has been incredibly helpful in furthering my own understanding of EV misinformation.

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Much more at Full Article:

https://heated.world/p/a-guide-to-electric-car-misinformation-a6a

[NNadir]

1. This claim, citing a journalist's article...

...more or less proves the serious side validity of my oft repeated "joke" that one cannot be awarded a journalism degree if one has passed a college level science course with a grade of C or better.

Of course, there are zero antinukes in my experience who ever have opened a science book or paper. A detailed analysis of the climate cost of various types of vehicles now in use in the unsustainable car CULTure was recently published in the scientific journal Environmental Science and Technology.

Fossil Fuel sales people and salesbots here and elsewhere avoid the scientific literature since it explicitly involves the laws of thermodynamics which naturally differentiate between energy storage and primary energy, which is what fossil fuel sales bots and their handlers wish to ignore since in undermines their unconscionable rhetoric and misresentation by which they greenwash fossil fuels.

There are of course grids with clean sustainable electricity, France for example, but fossil fuel sales people and sales bots hate nuclear energy because it is an option to do away with their products. The promotion of fear and ignorance is certainly a part of their agenda. However this said, even in France electric cars are not really sustainable.

Fossil Fuel salespeople and salesbots also are indifferent to the moral costs of their propaganda, which is largely involved with the material limitations of batteries, which are also unsustainable even were it not for the thermodyamic (and thus environmental) cost.

[Ontheboundry]

2. I think the bigger concern is

The maintenance and actual amount of EV charging stations in more remote areas. Maine, clearly a blue state rejected ev mandates at the highest level of government, not because they are 'anti ev' but because it's not practical for them

I've read several studies that hybrids are far more climate friendly than ev and easier to 'sell' to the public

Keep in mind, I'm very pro- green energy,as I did my own solar energy system on my home and my business uses all solar also, but I can't get behind an EV for me for a long list of reasons

[Think. Again.]

4. I agree...

We need to get very serious about building out the infrastructure needed for the necessary transition away from CO2 emitting energy sources.

We have allowed the fossil fuel industry to slow us down for far too long already.

[marble falls]

3. When they find a non flamible battery, get some infrastructure for recharging and get to an honest 300 ...

... miles per charge at highway speeds, I'll get one. The Chinese seem to have done well in battery development as well as range. We'll get there - maybe in another ten years.

[Think. Again.]

5. The flammability of gasoline and diesel never slowed down...

...the Internal Combustion Engine industry.

And I agree, we really need to step up building out the needed infrastructure, fast

[Ontheboundry]

6. My reasoning for not having an ev

Goes beyond these reasons. Again, I'm full solar both personally, and in my business (outside my vehicle and some propane powered items). Ev unfortunately can't bridge gaps that allow me to stay competitive in my business

[marble falls]

7. Gasoline and diesel vehicals don't burn very often when compared to the number accidents there are ...

... and vehicles are less like likely to burn than back in the day when the practice was to put the gas tank right behind the engine.

And they never burned a car to the ground while firemen watched for two days because adding water to lithium made fire fire burn harder.

Once gearheads find out that electric has more torque and rpm than fossil, gas will die out quick. Harley has an electric hog than can get 60MPH in under 3 seconds.

There's been electric F-1 cars campaigning for the last few years. Electric will be mainstream soon.

[Ontheboundry]

8. Yes

Torque is one thing, but the length of use issue is also a problem

I have an eco 56v chainsaw. It's pretty good mostly but for a larger tree, it just can't get the job done a gas-powered saw rolls thru it fairly quickly. I have 5 amp batteries for my eco tools, so fairly large (and heavy). Any struggle I have with the chainsaw chews those batteries up quickly.

I use both, which is why I feel like hybrid items may be a better solution to many of these issues

[Think. Again.]

9. Yep, I'm sure many folks had similar issues...

...at the start of the gas engine era.

Luckily, we are just starting so research and development on all of these tools and vehicles will improve them immensely.

Unluckily, we are starting way too late and developing way too slowly to avoid some of the worst damages that atmospheric CO2 will be causing very soon.

[Ontheboundry]

10. I live in this world today

And since I'm nearly all solar powered in my life outside a few propane items ( stove and hot water heater). And my work truck, I fight the battles I can fight I even rainwater harvest, which saves even more power.

[Think. Again.]

11. That's excellent!

If only more of us could gotten started earlier as you had , we could have avoided a lot of the problems that are now baked-in to our near future.

[Ontheboundry]

13. I won't lie

When I bought my land the local power company quoted me 1300 dollars to hook into the grid

Fast forward 2 years, and a lot of investment in clearing and out buildings and the new quote was north of 25k...plus I still get a bill..

Half that got me a system that allows me to store roughly 40kwh, harvest capacity of about 5.8kwh and a 7.2k inverter I have a back up propane generator for those times I may run low, and use the generator to top off the banks but that happens one or two times a year at most

[Think. Again.]

14. And I won't lie...

...I'm jealous.

[Ontheboundry]

12. I'd even say

If anyone did what I did, the world would be in far better shape

[Think. Again.]

15. I absolutely agree...