Vote-counting in CA

[BlueMTexpat]

continues. The latest figures, per the SoS website as of June 17, 2016 at 9:26 pm, show that Hillary maintains her significant popular vote lead: 2,503,064 to 2,044,428. Her winning percentage has shrunk somewhat - to 10%. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

Per the county reporting status, two counties (Glenn and Lassen) have completed their vote count, i.e., have "CCC" status. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/status/

The vote-counting of absentee and provisional ballots continues. But the results remain fairly constant.

[Cha]

1. Thank you for the update, BlueMT!

Did it take them this long to do it 8 years ago?

[BlueMTexpat]

4. In 2008, the CA primary

took place in February - much earlier on. Hillary won then too, with a slightly higher number of votes, but she may yet reach that total. Her prime challenger's supporters did not allege CTs in re any vote-counting, so far as I know.

Per the Wiki overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Democratic_primary,_2008

In the primary, 370 of California's 441 delegates to the Democratic National Convention were selected. Of these delegates, 241 were awarded at the congressional district level, and the remaining 129 were awarded to the statewide winner. The remaining delegates were superdelegates not obligated to vote for any candidate at the convention. Candidates were required to receive at least 15% of either the district or statewide vote to receive any delegates. Registered Democrats and Decline to State voters were eligible to vote.

In other words, there were slightly fewer total delegates. But the kind of primary, SDs and delayed certification of the final vote counts were all part of the mix then, just as they have been in 2016.

Other than the timing of the primary, there is only one major variable that is different in 2016.

[Cha]

6. Thank you for all that research, Blue.. So glad that even if Hillary

lost California like then Senator Obama did in 2008 that she would still be the Winner.

I hope BS has informed his fans of that. lol

[yallerdawg]

2. Another reason I'm so glad this was over...

even before California had their "primary" day.

The final tally for California won't be until July 15? If this had been a hair closer...

[BlueMTexpat]

5. I believe that the final verified

count is due on July 8. There is a 30-day period to count absentee and provisional ballots.

The thing is that since CA has been running elections like this for some time, I am sure that they know what they are doing. But I really don't know how they do it. I speculate that each county supervisor likely looked at the votes counted as of June 7 and calculated that the uncounted votes remaining for that county would not affect the June 7 results, even if ALL uncounted votes in that county went for Bernie.

Either that, or they based their projections on the likely numbers of uncounted votes for Hillary and those for Bernie based on some kind of percentage allocation, considering the votes that they had counted on June 7 and the locations where the uncounted votes were coming from. Or something completely different from my speculations ....

Had the percentages been very close on June 7, CA would likely have delayed the projections of a winner.

But there is no reason for any sane person to believe that any shenanigans are going on.

[LiberalFighter]

12. It would be wrong for counties to determine on their own whether uncounted votes matter.

Maybe if it was a local election. But not when the overall and district votes are determining factors. A county is either part of or a portion of a congressional district. Only if a congressional district is comprised of a complete county and no other county would that be a possibility. Even then it is important to make this count as accurate as possible as delegates are apportioned based on actual election results that are calculated to 3 decimals.

If all 58 counties were to say their numbers were good enough without counting each eligible ballot it could change the outcome by one or more delegates.

In CD46 there is a current difference of 454 votes. CD50 has a difference of 1,472 votes. CD2 has a difference of 350 votes.

What I find concerning are the counties that have very few outstanding ballots that have apparently not completed the process. If they are under the assumption they don't need to do anything because there are so few outstanding ballots they are mistaken.

You would think an election board would know how to handle elections because they do them all the time but the problem is that they only do this particular type once every four years. Who knows what type of turnover they have in their office due to elections that replace the county supervisor. A larger county might have numerous staff members that have the experience because they have a larger staff. Smaller counties might be a different issue.

[BlueMTexpat]

14. As I said, I have no idea what or how

it is done, but there are certainly rules that are followed in projecting winners on election night.

So please don't get upset about what you think might have happened based on the possibilities that I mentioned. They are pure speculation on my part, as I specifically stated.

CA and its counties know what they are doing. ALL ballots WILL be counted. ALL counties will complete the process. I am not sure what I might have said that may have given you any idea otherwise. ????

CA is, after all, the most heavily populated state in the US. There are large numbers of absentee ballots and provisional ballots - which is why the state has a mandated 30-day period to complete the counting. The final verified numbers are not due until July 8. Also, the SoS only knows how many votes it has counted and how many votes are still outstanding based on the numbers of absentee and provisional ballots provided so that is likely why you see differences in actual counts and votes. Additionally, some of the absentee ballots from US expats may not even have been received yet.

[NurseJackie]

3. Exactly as we expected.

[BlueMTexpat]

7. Yes, indeed. Exactly.

Hillary won!

[spooky3]

8. Thank you.

[Gothmog]

9. Thanks for posting

[BlueMTexpat]

10. Evidently they counted votes today too.

As of June 18, 2016 at 1:00 pm. Hillary's total is 2,513,709 and Bernie's is 2,053,342. The percentage margin is unchanged. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/ If this continues, she could possibly equal her 2008 vote count when she also won the CA primary.

Gary Johnson (LIB) has 17,237 votes and Jill Stein (GR) has 10,134. Both candidates also seem to be receiving some of those uncounted votes. The same goes for candidates in other parties, including the GOP. There are also quite a few more candidates in the Dem race than Hillary and Bernie alone. Each of them also continues to receive votes.

The wild rumors about rigging and fraud in CA are just that: wild rumors. Too many people who have never belonged to a political party and/or have never voted before seem to find the whole process mystifying. I agree that voting in the US is more complicated than it needs to be, but it only takes a couple minutes on Google to find out the truth. Too many would rather repeat rumors than search for the facts.

Comparing yesterday's numbers with today's, it looks as if the absentee and provisional votes are breaking for Hillary in slightly greater numbers than those for Bernie. More than 10,000 were added to her total today while Bernie's total was increased by less than 9,000.

The vote counters are likely off for the weekend, but I'll check again on Sunday to make sure that is true. If it is, I won't provide an update before sometime on Tuesday to see how Monday's counts have changed the totals.

[beachbum bob]

11. they will count and be done before their July deadline....its the way it works

and in the end hillary is the nominee regardless of what the final totals come out

[BlueMTexpat]

15. You know that and

I know that. But the wild rumors continue to circulate.

[LiberalFighter]

13. That is a key point about other candidates receiving votes.

Some apparently forget that California was not running just a Democratic Primary. All of those uncounted ballots were not all Democratic ballots.

[BlueMTexpat]

16. True. eom