Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumBernie's Speech....That didn't sound like he cares about anything except himself.
I am not happy.
William769
(55,814 posts)Cha
(305,114 posts)I wish President Obama good luck with this spoiled bitterness on Thursday.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If Bernie doesn't want to end up in the wilderness, he'll come to his senses and do what he has to do.
Maru Kitteh
(29,047 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,341 posts)bernie being bernie is apparently a complete ass
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Both their speeches were about how their movements were going to transform America into greatness, with them of course, at the helm.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Mee mee mee mee!!
So so so so!!!
Send me your do do do do do......!!!
caquillo
(521 posts)Vadem
(2,599 posts)Sanders and his supporters have to be the most mindless people this side of Trump. Two birds of a feather.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If you're not a supporter you don't belong here.
SunSeeker
(53,582 posts)Hillary won the majority of the delegates. Every network called it.
In CA, with 54% reporting, it's still Hillary 57.2 to Sanders 41.8.
MADem
(135,425 posts)has told Sanders, in NO uncertain terms, to GO HOME. He LOST.
He needs to wrap his head around that. He needs to start firing staff, boxing up the junk, and paying off his bills.
There's a reason why he hasn't released his fundraising numbers from last month--they're ABYSMAL.
He has two choices now--he can be a cheerful helpmate to American history, or he can try (and fail) to be a thwarter and a spoiler. It's up to him to decide how he wants the ages to remember him. The petty/whining/angry tack is just not a good look, IMO.
Satch59
(1,354 posts)No other words... Looking senile and his true heartless self comes out...he can't even congratulate THE FIRST WOMAN presidential nominee? He's not going to make any effort to unify and needs to be shamed out of this race... Just go away Bernie...you will not come out of this in any good light...
SunSeeker
(53,582 posts)A bitter speech. In letting his audience boo Hillary, he showed no leadership, no courage, no class.
But he did do one thing, whether he meant to or not: He made it very clear Dem voters chose the best person for the Dem nominee.
Legends303
(481 posts)In the mean time we just have to wait another week but in the the coming weeks I know his supporters are going to floating around conspirices on Calafornia on how it was somehow rigged but with the results it looks Sanders lost pretty significant there and she beat her poll numbers.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Honestly I feel like a lot of his support is the product of anti-feminism/misogyny that doesn't want to tip its hand by voting for Trump. I've seen a LOT of Sanders supporters pop off about how horrible "SJWs" are (not that social justice activists can't be toxic in their own right, but this is something completely different) the and how white males are oppressed because POC and women aren't passively accepting their view of the world anymore.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I have heard the expression "Tea Party of the Left" as well. And not just from fringe-y types or whiners...from mainstream sources:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/really-bad-idea-of-a-tea-party-of-the-left.html
....the closer you get to the Sandernistas' Brand New Congress initiative the new project by recently laid-off Bernie staffers to create a revolution in Congress beginning with the 2018 elections the less it looks like the instrument for a difficult but achievable task and the more it looks like the product of a very strange set of beliefs about American politics. It's not focused on boosting progressive turnout in general elections, but on recruiting and running candidates in Republican as well as Democratic primaries who meet a rigid set of policy litmus tests. The idea is very explicitly that people alive with the Bern can literally elect a "brand-new Congress" in one election cycle to turn public policy 180 degrees. Or so says key organizer Zack Exley:
We want a supermajority in Congress that is fighting for jobs, criminal justice reform and the environment, Exley said. Most Americans actually want that, and I think we get it by running Dems in blue areas, Republicans in deep red areas, and by running independents wherever we didnt defeat incumbents.
Republicans, too?
Corbin Trent, another former Sanders staffer, said bringing Republicans on board is the key to it being a successful idea and theres enough overlap between Sanders platform and tea party conservatives to make the PACs goals feasible.
Reality television star Donald Trumps current status as the Republican front-runner demonstrates that GOP voters are eager for candidates who, like Trump, criticize the corrupting influence of money in politics and the impact of free trade deals on American workers, Trent said.
This will allow Republicans to say Yeah, Im a Republican, but I believe climate change is real and I dont believe all Muslims are terrorists, he said. It will allow people to think differently in the Republican Party if they want to pull away from the hate-based ideology.
Yes, that was what I feared: The discredited notion that lefties and the tea party can make common cause in something other than hating on the Clintons and Barack Obama is back with a vengeance. And worse yet, Donald Trump Donald Trump is being touted as an example of a Republican capable of progressive impulses because he shares the old right-wing mercantilist hostility to free trade and has enough money to scorn lobbyists. Does your average Trump supporter really "believe climate change is real" and disbelieve that "all Muslims are terrorists"? Do Obamacare-hating tea-partiers secretly favor single-payer health care? Do the people in tricorn hats who favor elimination of labor unions deep down want a national $15-an-hour minimum wage? And do the very activists who brought the Citizens United case and think it's central to the preservation of the First Amendment actually want to overturn it?
http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2016-01-22/bernie-sanders-has-a-whiff-of-tea-party-about-him
Sanders advocates argue that if he wins it will be because he has remade U.S. politics and brought about the revolution that even he acknowledges is necessary to enact any of his agenda. (And pause for a moment and ponder the wisdom of supporting a candidate whose path to victory requires a full-on political revolution.) But what would a Sanders Senate look like?
Look at it this way: There are 22 states that Obama lost in both 2008 and 2012 years in which he became the first president in a half-century to win at least 51 percent of the vote in consecutive elections. It seems fair to characterize those as solid red states. That's 44 senators from red states; not to say that Democrats can't win some of those seats. But it does mean that the Democrats who are elected in those states will be in the Joe Manchin, Claire McCaskill, Heidi Heitkamp mold. They won't be bearing the single-payer standard any time soon and it's not because they're favoring their corporate patrons over their constituents it's because they're listening to their constituents.
The most galling thing is that, as Michael Cohen pointed out in The Boston Globe this week, Sanders understands the realities of accommodating local politics: He cast votes favorable to the gun industry because of Vermont's gun culture. But in other cases he refuses to acknowledge such accommodations for other legislators. "It's as if in Sanders' mind, parochialism, ideology, or politics plays no role ... in politics."
The fact of the matter is that ideologically we're a diverse and often incoherent country. That doesn't mean you can't accomplish something substantial Obamacare is, as a wise man once said, a big flipping deal. But it does mean that you need a politician who is able to acknowledge the limitations of the system in order to figure out what is achievable.
Some NATION writer even endorsed the concept:
http://www.thenation.com/article/its-time-for-a-tea-party-of-the-left/
The endorsement is pretty haphazard, IMO, but whatever.
spooky3
(36,092 posts)Are analogous to HRC's Wall Street votes. They were her constituents.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)But not if you're running on a campaign on being politically pure.
uponit7771
(91,665 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)So great!!!
Hope BS takes a moment out of his nomentum to introspect!
Walk away
(9,494 posts)That will be his last chance lose until 2018!
spooky3
(36,092 posts)To get 30% of the vote here.
MADem
(135,425 posts)spooky3
(36,092 posts)He could have made deals to advance his agenda before this week's primaries. He could have explained all of it to his supporters, and most of them would back him 100%. He could have gone home, taken a well deserved break, and been heralded as a man with a vision and dignity, welcomed to speak at the convention.
Now, he has little power to persuade Dems.