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Related: About this forumAre we about to see the emergence of a new One Nation Conservative Party in the UK?
I could see it happening. The tectonic political plates are shifting beneath our very feet. There has been a coup by the hard right and they are currently playing havoc with the norms of our democracy. BUT, let us not forget that if not for Brexit these right wing zealots would be nowhere need the cabinet, they would be sitting chuntering on the back benches as they have for the last thirty years.
With the 21 kicked out, Amber Rudd quitting the cabinet and the whip, and the Tories like Anna Soubrey and Nick Boles that have already quit there is about 25-27 seats right there. I am also sure that there are members not only of the back benches but in the current cabinet who are already having conversations about still serving under the current administration, or not as the case may be...
There has been an internal coup of about 70 on the hard right. That means 230 Sorry 208 after the expulsions, Tories who will be shifting very uncomfortably in their constituency seat right now.
We thought it was getting interesting before, hold onto your hats chaps
PS if you have not read Amber's resignation letter here are the highlights
BOOM. Amber don't play...
Denzil_DC
(8,090 posts)I did wonder whether she might be positioning herself as the Queen Across the Water for a future strike against Johnson and his cabal.
More likely, her ambition, dimmed as it might be for now, could no longer trump the idiocy she was having to go along with.
There's certainly a constituency of disaffected Tories out there who might be attracted by the prospect. Some may jump to the Lib Dems, but they're a poor imitation. The independent group (whatever it's calling itself now, I can't keep up) is still staggering along and attracting a few despite being barely a statistical blip in the polls. For all the applauding whenever a Tory jumps ship to them, it does mean that the Lib Dems' numbers now include some rather unsavoury characters whose pasts can't be glossed over by any claims of a change of heart.
If it does happen, the country and the party will totally have wasted the years since Thatcher and Major at the cost of the desperate attempts to paper over the cracks between the "wets" and the "dries" (in the Thatcher era), the One Nationers and the hardline nutters (Major's "bastards" ), and the Europhiles and Eurosceptics from the Cameron era onward. And let's not fool ourselves that for many of them, Euroscepticism isn't a proxy for some barkingly rightwing stances on other issues.
Rudd is still a horrible politician who's enacted some terrible, heartless policies, of course. The fact she appears to have some principles and is on the right side on these current issues shouldn't mask that. The same could be said about Jo Swinson, whose record in the coalition was shameful.
Voltaire2
(15,021 posts)so like fork that. The Brexit wreckers areall on one side.