Anyone know what's up in Tierney's district?

[merrily]

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1. Seems more or less every media has endorsed his primary opponent.

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I like his political positions, but it will be a tough sell, particularly given the fact that it was a close race in 2012 against Tisei despite Obama's coattails.

EDIT: I mean I like Tierney's position.

[merrily]

2. Moulton? Have you seen the ad about a PAC donating to over 20 Republicans, plus Moulton?

And to no Democrats besides Moulton. "What do they know about Moulton that Moulton is not telling us?" Says the ad.

That made me think about how many times I've seen Moulton's ad--a lot and more than any other candidate so far, even the gubernatorials.

A woman who tried to get into that race claimed she was muscled out. I glanced at one of the stories but did not delve into it. I think the gist was that Moulton was the Chosen One as far as the Party was concerned. If so, seems ironic that he also seems to be the Chosen One of a Republican PAC.

Either that, or the ad is bs.

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3. I meant I like Tierney.

There are 4 candidates in this primary (including diFranco). This is not my district (Neal), so I do not get to see the ads.

And yes, I suspect Tisei would prefer Moulton as well.

[merrily]

4. I was replying to the part of your post where you said media members had endorsed

Tierney's opponent.

I am in Lynch's district but have been seeing the ads.

I like Tierney's politics, too, a lot. But, it's very hard for me to believe that he had no clue what his wife was doing. I am glad I am not in his district and don't have to make that particular voting decision.

I prefer Capuano to Lynch, but I don't have to use too many clothespins to hold my nose while I vote for Lynch, either.

[graywarrior]

5. I think Moulton is a republican operative

Voting for Tierney here.

[merrily]

6. I'm just glad I'm not in that district, but

I think I agree with you about Moulton. The PAC donated to something like 63 Republicans and no Dems other than Moulton? Come on.

And the only thing his ad talks about is Congressional pay. (Apparently, he never read what the Constitution says about Congressional pay. I was going to email his campaign about that when I first heard his ad. Glad I never did.)

I think the media endorsements may just carry Moulton to victory. Mass Dems seem to put a lot of stock in Globe endorsements.

[graywarrior]

7. I was holding signs for Tierney yesterday and Moulton's people were there

They kept trying to convince me that because all the "corporate" media endorsed Moulton, he was the right guy. I despise every paper in MA so that didn't convince me of anything. I'm satisfied with Tierney so will stick with him.

Hubby worked the polls this morning down in Salem and he said mostly republicans were showing up to vote and not many at that. Very poor turnout so far. My guess is that whoever wins this will win it between 4 and 8 pm when most voters go to the polls. It will be a giant suckdom if Moulton wins. What a crap thing to do to another democrat.

[merrily]

8. Some of the poll workers where I vote were standing in the doorway, hoping for more voters to

come along. I thought they were trying to take a break and were sorry to see me ambling in, but, no, they were dying for someone to come along. Three more people came in while I was filling out my ballot by hand. Whoopie!

I heard something like 15% turnout is expected--and that's 15% of registered voters, not 15% of adults eligible to register. That is appalling, IMO.

During the Bush years, I asked the census bureau which percentage of Americans eligible to vote were registered to vote. They said they didn't collect that info. I should have realized that, I guess, but who remembers census questions?

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9. Democrats deserve what they get.

They'll bitch and moan about their choices in the general election but sit out the crucial primaries when they actually have a choice who runs against whom. These primaries are so frigging important, yet there was no one at the polls when I voted around noon.

I guarantee that once a republican gets voted in come November, everyone will be up in arms wondering how this happened. Meanwhile, they're home today doing whatever. Lazy fucks.

[merrily]

10. I hope more show up in November. Governor Baker doesn't sound good to me.

A lot of people on my ballot were running unopposed. Maybe that's why a lot of people in my precinct did not bother. If it's any comfort, the empty room where I voted was empty of both Republicans and Democrats. So, you can look at it that only Democrats showed up.

[graywarrior]

11. More democrats showed up in my town, Georgetown, according to a friend who works at the polls.

I'm mostly concerned about Tierney. He's done so much for us over the years.

[merrily]

12. You had a real contest, a real reason to show up. A Dem v. a GOPer pretending to be a Dem.

THAT is a huge reason to show up for a primary.

In my district, Lynch ran unopposed, which was okay with me. So did a bunch of others.

[graywarrior]

13. GOP is out for Tierney's blood

Every election, it's the same thing...."he's fighting for his political life" is all over the news. GOP pours millions into the state to unseat him. Now this clown comes along and divides the vote. Idiot.

[merrily]

14. It will be really very sad if Moulton is a Republican who wins a Dem primary.

DINOs are one thing, but actual Republicans, posing as Democrats? Ugh!

[graywarrior]

15. He thinks he's fooling every one

But all he needs is 51%.

[merrily]

16. I fear the influence of the endorsements. We'll know in a few hours.

[graywarrior]

17. I'm in denial, watching Hell On Wheels

Wake me when it's over, lol

[merrily]

18. Very wise.

[graywarrior]

19. Fuck this!

I can't vote for Mouton. No way in hell!

[merrily]

20. I am so sorry, graywarrior.

Sorry for all of us, but mostly for the people in your district.

I wanted to post that as soon as you posted, but my computer froze for some reason. And then I thought it died.

Anyway, we can only hope that either his delegation will "guide" him into voting like a Dem or his delegation makes sure that two years is the very most he sees of the inside of Congress, at least while calling himself a Dem.

I wish I could see his face when he finds out that the Constitution says you can't reduce the compensation of anyone in Congress while they are serving. That was about he campaign on.

Then again, maybe he won't be embarrassed. Maybe he'll only be glad it did not cost him the primary. I guess, if he's a Republican running as a Democrat, he doesn't embarrass easy.

[graywarrior]

21. Thanks!

I'll get over it. Politics makes me sick so maybe I need to put my efforts back into creativity rather than worry about saving the world.

[merrily]

22. You're welcome.

[merrily]

23. I just decided to be very hopeful about Moulton voting like a Dem.

At this point, I may as well be, unless and until he proves me wrong.

I've explained away the GOP PAC money in my own mind as anti-Tierney, rather than as pro-Moulton. (A fine line, I admit.)

FWIW, Lynch started out more conservative than he is now and has moved left on several issues.

[graywarrior]

24. You're right, of course.

I guess I shouldn't act like an old fuck by resisting new ideas and people.

[merrily]

25. No need to dis yourself. You're not acting like an old fuck!

There was very good reason to be suspicious be cautious.

However, now that Moulton has won the Dem primary, caution doesn't come into it. Even if he pretends to be a Dem, that is still better than admitting to being a Republican. So, now that the primary is over, we have nothing to lose by hoping for the best. (And hope is better for your stress hormone levels.)

[graywarrior]

29. Yeah, coz Tisai is a teabagger, so I guess I'll be voting for Moulton.

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26. BTW, great visual on the news this morning.

First, they showed Moulton, shaking hands with men and women of different ages on their way to work, thanking them for their votes.

Then, they showed his Republican opponent doing his post election work in a diner where he supposedly hangs out a lot, shaking hands with a bunch of older white men with no apparent plans to head out of the diner any time soon.

Iconic.

[graywarrior]

30. lol

[MADem]

27. This is a real problem. It's why I run around in the weeks ahead of any election, local, state or

national, finding out who needs a ride. I brought two dozen to vote yesterday. I've gone over a hundred in Presidential election years. If everyone would just drag one Democrat to the polls at the primary, we wouldn't have so few choices. The politicians would know that we're paying attention.

[graywarrior]

31. What gets me is there's never anyone home when volunteers call or canvas the areas.

I'm still thinking the right leaning independents came out in full force to vote against Tierney.

[MADem]

34. It's very hard to connect.

Back in the day when I'd go knocking on doors, I left more stuff hanging off doorknobs than anything else. And people don't take calls from numbers they don't know.

I help out elderly folk on occasion with rides to the doc, the grocer, and what-have-you. That's my little network. They're a captive audience, too, with known concerns, so it's easy to tailor a pitch for a candidate to them.

It's unfortunate that Tierney was just a flawed candidate. He was effective in that he knew enough to vote the way he was told, to the benefit of the commonwealth and the party platform. His personal dramas didn't help him keep voters or win new ones over.

Hard to know what will happen in the fall.

I don't know if you read Blue Mass Group at all, but they've got an interesting thread on this contest and the dynamics working throughout the race.


http://bluemassgroup.com/2014/09/tierney-concedes-moulton-the-winner/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bluemassgroup%2Ffront+(Blue+Mass+Group+-+Front+Page)

Some people are being sanguine or simply pragmatic, others say Moulton is "misunderstood," and still others are in the "Hold your nose and vote for him" crowd.

I do know I don't care for Tisei one whit, I can imagine that there are plenty of diehard Dems in the redrawn 6th that feel the same way.

[graywarrior]

35. Thanks for that link, I will check it out.

Tisei will just keep running til something sticks, that's my guess. He's like Scott Brown. I was just talking to a good friend who knows Scott Brown personally and despises him. He's a mean bastard from what she told me.

[MADem]

36. Very good "local politics" info there--the odd operative weighs in as well.

I'm pretty much just a reader but I find it a good resource.

Spot on about Tisei = Brown. Tisei likes to talk about how he has more concern for the veterans than anyone else, like it is a GOP trait (never mind they cut funding for vets left and right as a routine).

I really dislike that smarmy dweeb Jon Keller, but he had a point to make when it came to Moulton winning that Dem primary--it kind of shuts Tisei up about the military bullshit he liked to slop around:

Moulton, a former Marine and Iraq war veteran from Salem, will likely highlight that experience in his fight for the 6th Congressional District seat.
“Moulton, I think, handles his military service very well in terms of a campaign credential. He doesn’t see it as the be all and end all, but draws on his experience with teamwork and his sense of humility, as well as his sense of concern about future American military involvement. I think these are all going to be pluses for him in this campaign.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/10/keller-seth-moultons-win-a-bad-break-for-richard-tisei/

Another reason I don't want Tisei to win is because he's the only "out" Republican that I know of in the United States who is past the primary process and in a general election. From my perusal of the issues, Republicans don't like gay people any more than they like black people, Hispanic people, or women.

I don't want the GOP to be able to say "Gee, we don't hate gay people, look at our Very Own Poster Child Congressman from Oh-So-Liberal Massachusetts." And you know they'll do that in a heartbeat if this guy gets in. He'll be the Michael Steele/Herman Cain-style "exception that proves the rule" for the gay community.

[graywarrior]

37. Spot ON!

And I'd like to smack the shit out of Jon Keller. He belongs in a Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoon.

[MADem]

28. I don't blame you for feeling sick, given the results.

I don't trust the corporate media either. After all, the corporate media thought Chuck TAWD was a good pick for Meet the Press!

[graywarrior]

32. Chucky

[MADem]

33. Ha...

As he's known around these parts, "UP-chucky!"