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George McGovern

(7,965 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:27 AM Jun 3

The camera cannot lie.

'The camera cannot lie’
Printed photographs began to be available to the general public around the mid 19th century. When this phrase was coined, which appears to be just a few years later, the view that a photograph was a faithful representation of a scene, in a way that a subjective painting could never be, was a reasonable one.
Of course, ‘the camera cannot lie’ was coined before Photoshop.
Many of the earliest references to the phrase describe people’s inability to believe that they look like their photographic portraits. Nevertheless, it may well be that the phrase was used ironically from the start. Whether or not people believed the notion of photographic veracity then, they certainly don’t now. We know that the ubiquitous photographic images that fill our visual world are constructs rather than absolute truth.
A similar phrase occurs in Dion Boucicault’s play The Octoroon, first performed, in New York, in 1859:
“The apparatus [a camera] can’t mistake. When I travelled round with this machine, the homely folks used to sing out, “Hillo, mister, this ain’t like me!” “Ma’am,” says I, “the apparatus can’t mistake.”

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Ferrets are Cool

(22,292 posts)
1. That was before photoshop and AI....hell, even Ansel Adams made the camera lie.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:37 AM
Jun 3

He manipulated his negatives greatly to achieve the results he wanted.
I manipulate my images every day. My "job" is to make the real estate agents job easier by make the rooms in a house look "better" than they actually do. I do my job well.

TexLaProgressive

(12,558 posts)
2. A question for you, Ferrets are Cool
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:43 AM
Jun 3

A number of years ago my homesick wife was going to real estate sites in western Connecticut and east NY. I notice that none of the pictures of the exterior showed plumbing and heating vents. So are they photoshopped out?

Ferrets are Cool

(22,292 posts)
4. It is against the rules to actually change the physical appearance.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 11:11 AM
Jun 3

If there are ugly power lines, I cannot even change those. So no, what was being done in the instance You describe was not allowed.

TexLaProgressive

(12,558 posts)
6. Thanks, I bet some marketing type made the decision.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 11:25 AM
Jun 3

I just looked at a few houses in NY and the vents are present. I bet some hands got slapped.

George McGovern

(7,965 posts)
7. Oh indeed it does. I heard of a recent/new film called Moutainhead, streaming
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 12:04 PM
Jun 3

I think on HBO Max. It's about AI. A friend saw and liked it, said it was weird but funny and scary too.

LoisB

(10,976 posts)
8. "...inability to believe they look like their photographic portraits"...that is so true. When I
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 12:22 PM
Jun 4

look in the mirror, I see a different me than when I catch a glimpse of myself in a glass door I walk past. I think the mirror shows us what we want/expect to see and the happenstance glance in a glass door shows us reality.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,935 posts)
12. The camera always lies
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:28 PM
Jun 6

You can manipulate an image by simply using light and shadows. You can make a person's face look thinner with a strong side light, you can make a person's face look flat by using a longer lens, you can make a person's nose look longer with a wide angle lens, you can compress distances with a telephoto lens. The possibilities are endless.

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