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Jilly_in_VA

(10,846 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:01 AM Mar 2022

Frank Sinatra hated 'The Godfather' and told Mario Puzo to 'choke'

"The Godfather" holds a revered position in film history with the Corleone crime family saga – starring Marlon Brando, Al Pacino and James Caan – perched at No. 2 on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 Greatest American Films of All Time.

However, the 50th anniversary of Francis Ford Coppola's 1972 mob masterpiece has resurrected the negative opinion of one influential critic: Frank Sinatra.

The Chairman of the Board was not a fan of "The Godfather," an opinion Sinatra made abundantly clear as Mario Puzo's 1969 novel was being adapted for film. In a legendary blowup at Hollywood eatery Chasen's, Sinatra snarled, "Choke. Go ahead and choke" at Puzo, who was taking a meal break from writing the film's screenplay.

The infamous confrontation sparked the imagination of Michael Tolkin, creator of "The Offer," a new Paramount+ series (premiering April 28) about the making of "The Godfather," which features a re-creation of the fracas.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/03/18/godfather-50th-anniversary-frank-sinatra-famous-fight-mario-puzo/6997604001/

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Frank Sinatra hated 'The Godfather' and told Mario Puzo to 'choke' (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 OP
I can understand why he would have been sensitive... hlthe2b Mar 2022 #1
I can always watch Brando segments when I come across them. empedocles Mar 2022 #4
Sinatra sided with the Italians who considered it derogatory. ShazamIam Mar 2022 #2
Perhaps Sinatra did not like a widely read and viewed version of Sinatra being empedocles Mar 2022 #5
Yes, I agree, probably the real reason Sinatra hated the reference to his ShazamIam Mar 2022 #7
A report I remember from years back, was that Sinatra was told that Puzo was dining in empedocles Mar 2022 #3
At one point Casady1 Mar 2022 #6
I have a cousin, other cousins call him 'Frank' because of the physical resemblance - and the empedocles Mar 2022 #11
except he is a dick. Casady1 Mar 2022 #20
It was derogatory to Italian people, most of whom are hard working Srkdqltr Mar 2022 #8
I am not, was not Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 #9
We've been meaning to watch that with our daughter. underpants Mar 2022 #16
A young Sinatra endured a lot of beatings in Hoboken because of his heritage Auggie Mar 2022 #10
I always took the Johnny Fontaine character to be referential to Sinatra underpants Mar 2022 #12
The Johnny Fontaine scene regarding having trouble with his voice rsdsharp Mar 2022 #14
That's what I've always understood . underpants Mar 2022 #17
Whatever ... Auggie Mar 2022 #15
except for the chinese Casady1 Mar 2022 #21
Wow, what a great reason to cancel him 60 years in the future Auggie Mar 2022 #22
except he did it in the eighties in Atlantic city Casady1 Mar 2022 #23
Without the mob Sinatra would have never gotten out of low-rent dives. Chainfire Mar 2022 #13
I assume that lech didn't mind... Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2022 #18
Not surprised. He hated things that put in a light he didn't like. ificandream Mar 2022 #19

hlthe2b

(106,238 posts)
1. I can understand why he would have been sensitive...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:11 AM
Mar 2022

both on the superficial level as a person of Italian descent and obviously given his close "relationships" with mobsters at points during his life. The impact of the movies in reinforcing certain stereotypes was probably predictable to him.

That said, I think the Godfather trio were exceptional films, but ones I don't feel the need to rewatch very often.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. Perhaps Sinatra did not like a widely read and viewed version of Sinatra being
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:31 AM
Mar 2022

'over-the hill'.

There is an old film clip somewhere of Frank singing with Elvis - a variety tv show I think. Sinatra had to regret that appearance.

ShazamIam

(2,698 posts)
7. Yes, I agree, probably the real reason Sinatra hated the reference to his
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:42 AM
Mar 2022

career revival with that movie, From Here to Eternity.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. A report I remember from years back, was that Sinatra was told that Puzo was dining in
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:27 AM
Mar 2022

the same restaurant. Sinatra had a fit, and threw his pasta and sauce plate hard against the restaurant wall.

[Seemed to fit Sinatra's arrogant, offstage character]

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
6. At one point
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:40 AM
Mar 2022

early in his career my mom loved Sinatra( 1940"s). She had a professional voice and took lessons for years in her youth. She would tell me all the time that Sinatra never practiced. My mom sang scales all the time.

Then in the 1980's he was playing blackjack in a New Jersey casino and called the dealer a "chink". My mom flipped out and hated him from that point on. He was a total asshole.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
11. I have a cousin, other cousins call him 'Frank' because of the physical resemblance - and the
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

swaggeer.

Srkdqltr

(7,629 posts)
8. It was derogatory to Italian people, most of whom are hard working
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:46 AM
Mar 2022

Folks. Sure some thought it made Italians look glamorous and dangerous and powerful. Most knew that it was illegal and hurtful to anyone involved.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,846 posts)
9. I am not, was not
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:06 AM
Mar 2022

a Sinatra fan. Ever. Just could not stand the guy. OTOH, I love The Godfather saga and watch the whole thing every few years, maybe 5 to 7 years. it's one of those things I will devote a weekend to. It's not so much the story as the acting. I find new things in it every time. It's like re-reading a favorite book.

underpants

(186,478 posts)
16. We've been meaning to watch that with our daughter.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:40 PM
Mar 2022

She’s never seen it.

I really looking forward to the movie about it. The studio wanted Caan to be Michael (he was a huge box office draw then) but Puzo demanded it be Pacino. Pacino was a stage actor and had no big draw. Other than Brando, the main characters(Pacino, Caan, Duval, and I think Cazale each got $30K for a 6 week shoot and that’s all The Godfather money they’ve ever seen. Caan said in an interview “the rest is Mario’s money”.

Every movie John Cazale was I. Was nominated for Best Picture. All 5 of them.

Auggie

(31,775 posts)
10. A young Sinatra endured a lot of beatings in Hoboken because of his heritage
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

It was touchy subject for him.

underpants

(186,478 posts)
12. I always took the Johnny Fontaine character to be referential to Sinatra
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:55 AM
Mar 2022

There’s his heritage as well as his being a bag man for the Mafia.

rsdsharp

(10,098 posts)
14. The Johnny Fontaine scene regarding having trouble with his voice
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:16 PM
Mar 2022

and needing a part in a movie to make a comeback, is a very transparent reference to Sinatra’s situation before he appeared in “From Here to Eternity.”

underpants

(186,478 posts)
17. That's what I've always understood .
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:43 PM
Mar 2022

And the Fontaine character was not a good image for Sinatra regardless of basically outed him for mafia ties.

Auggie

(31,775 posts)
15. Whatever ...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:18 PM
Mar 2022

he was an opinionated, temperamental person (as we all can be) who had to live life under a microscope. He had faults -- huge faults by most standards -- but he also had compassion for those oppressed and did what he could to help.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
21. except for the chinese
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 02:56 PM
Mar 2022

dealer he called a chink at a NJ casino. My mom who loved him in the forties and thought he quit practicing and she couldn't even listen to him later never forgave him for that. My mom had a professional voice who took many singing lessons said to me in the sixties that he stopped practicing and she could tell immediately.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
23. except he did it in the eighties in Atlantic city
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 03:25 PM
Mar 2022

My mom and dad who I can guarantee suffered far more discrimination than Sinatra were sensitive to this especially my mom. My dad couldn't swim in the public pools in St. Louis in the 30's and my German grandmother was arrested in 1910 for being with my Chinese grandfather in Illinois. I have the newspaper article. Sinatra was a dick.

ificandream

(10,463 posts)
19. Not surprised. He hated things that put in a light he didn't like.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 01:16 PM
Mar 2022

But hey, I love his music. Never got to see him, unfortunately.

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