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Ramsey Barner

(669 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 09:56 AM Aug 2024

In Pennsylvania, Harris can't shake her anti-fracking past

Many of the swing voters here whose livelihoods rise and fall with the fortunes of the fossil energy industry have not forgotten the last time Harris ran for president, when she called for a ban on fracking — extracting natural gas by creating cracks in the earth’s bedrock. It is a position she now disavows. Even the boom in oil and gas production under the Biden-Harris administration is failing to assuage anxieties that the halcyon days of fracking for natural gas here would dim if Harris wins the White House.

Pennsylvania’s standing as one of the world’s largest sources of natural gas is creating mounting tension for Democrats aiming to keep it as a pillar in their electoral “Blue Wall” while also stepping up the energy transition. Harris, a Californian with a deep record of clashing with the oil and gas sector, may face a tougher path than Joe Biden did in 2020. Scranton native Biden, who is perceived as more centrist, won Pennsylvania by just 81,000 votes.

The natural gas industry’s reach in this state is expansive. It has brought shiny office parks, bustling new residential subdivisions and manicured golf courses to areas that had earlier been defined by emptying downtowns and steady layoffs. Some 200,000 landowners in the state are receiving royalties from the natural gas wells on their property, according to the Marcellus Shale Coalition, an industry group. Some of the biggest royalty checks are going to local governments and school districts.

Now, with polls showing Pennsylvania is a toss-up, her campaign says the candidate’s past talk of bans is old news and is being misrepresented by her rival, Trump. In a statement, the Harris campaign did not explain the candidate’s shift in thinking but did say that domestic energy production is far higher under the current administration than it was when Trump was president, and that more energy jobs were created by this White House.


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In Pennsylvania, Harris can't shake her anti-fracking past (Original Post) Ramsey Barner Aug 2024 OP
If Harris wants her campaign to be about the future, she must include plans for a fossil fuel free future Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #1
The retraining thing sounds good in a white paper. MontanaFarmer Aug 2024 #3
Retraining is a common concept when people change industries. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #6
Not saying it isn't. MontanaFarmer Aug 2024 #9
"The Government" is trying to stop the death of all life on Earth. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #10
You don't have to convince me. MontanaFarmer Aug 2024 #13
Harris hasn't gone into Penn. and talked about fracking... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #14
I know she hasn't. MontanaFarmer Aug 2024 #16
It doesn't have to be bad politics at all... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #18
But Biden's Infrastructure Act does just that Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #12
Excellent Idea! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #19
Trump can't shake his sexual preditor past... LakeVermilion Aug 2024 #2
Ye, and then it gets posted here for some reason. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #7
Well, In Some Parts of PA Deep State Witch Aug 2024 #20
Oh, sorry LakeVermilion Aug 2024 #21
Alternative energy sources will need to be cheaper than fossil fuel energy sources Shermann Aug 2024 #4
Alternative energy sources ARE cheaper than fosdil fuel energy sources. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #8
They will keep blasting out bullshit to see if something, anything will stick. nt. Voltaire2 Aug 2024 #5
Fracking is not a reason why people vote for president arlyellowdog Aug 2024 #11
Fracking doesn't sway voters in Pennsylvania. lees1975 Aug 2024 #15
I live in PA and not that many jobs are dependent on the fracking industry FakeNoose Aug 2024 #17
As someone that lives in Texas and is living with the results of fracking walkingman Aug 2024 #22

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
1. If Harris wants her campaign to be about the future, she must include plans for a fossil fuel free future
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 10:00 AM
Aug 2024

Fracking workers can be retrained for high paying jobs in wind and solar.

Back pedaling and pandering would be a bad strategy.

MontanaFarmer

(748 posts)
3. The retraining thing sounds good in a white paper.
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 10:06 AM
Aug 2024

Ask the Clinton campaign how that was received in those industry towns. If we want her elected we're going to have to accept some level of assuaging those voters/workers. Doesn't mean I like it either but that's just political reality.

MontanaFarmer

(748 posts)
9. Not saying it isn't.
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 11:14 AM
Aug 2024

But when "the government" is perceived to be forcing that change, it's a political death wish.

MontanaFarmer

(748 posts)
13. You don't have to convince me.
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 11:39 AM
Aug 2024

I'm all for shifting to a renewable future. Including nuclear. But I live among these types of people, and I'm simply saying that if you go into Pennsylvania and talk about a fracking ban and retraining programs, you're likely to lose Pennsylvania. See Clinton, H and Biden, J for reference. That's why VP Harris no longer supports a fracking ban.

Think. Again.

(19,924 posts)
14. Harris hasn't gone into Penn. and talked about fracking...
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 11:50 AM
Aug 2024

The Washington post is dragging up very old news to create dissent where it doesn't exist.

The Harris campaign has said..

"...the candidate’s past talk of bans is old news and is being misrepresented by her rival, Trump."

Maybe this article should have been about Harris' plans to benefit fossil fuel -dependent economies with stronger, cleaner, more worker-friendly renewable industries to replace the fossil fuel employers as laid out in Biden's Climate bills.

MontanaFarmer

(748 posts)
16. I know she hasn't.
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 12:32 PM
Aug 2024

She did in '20 and has changed that position. You suggested that she should advocate for a transition/retraining policy. I think that's a fine policy but horrible politics.

Think. Again.

(19,924 posts)
18. It doesn't have to be bad politics at all...
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 01:22 PM
Aug 2024

Offering training to improve a person's career and livelihood is a good thing.

Most people pay for that privilege.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
12. But Biden's Infrastructure Act does just that
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 11:36 AM
Aug 2024

Harris should be appearing with former FF workers who have been retrained in renewable energy technology.

Think. Again.

(19,924 posts)
19. Excellent Idea!
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 01:26 PM
Aug 2024

Send them out on their own to talk to the ff workers, do social media, etc.

Or use the old marketing scam of setting up a for-profit school that charges for the training, and then offer Government funding to ff workets to pay for it (people value things that cost money for some reason).

LakeVermilion

(1,229 posts)
2. Trump can't shake his sexual preditor past...
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 10:01 AM
Aug 2024

Trump can't shake his racist past...

Gee, there are worse things than questioning fracking. (Like all of those earthquakes in west Texas. Are they from fracking?)

It's like the Post and NYT have a file of negative stories that they can bring out everytime TSF needs a boost.

Deep State Witch

(11,457 posts)
20. Well, In Some Parts of PA
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 01:42 PM
Aug 2024

Being a racist, misogynist felon who is for fracking will get you elected.

Shermann

(8,758 posts)
4. Alternative energy sources will need to be cheaper than fossil fuel energy sources
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 10:19 AM
Aug 2024

Then and only then will the fracking industry be financially doomed. You can speed that up a bit with subsidies, but outright bans are a bridge too far.

Think. Again.

(19,924 posts)
8. Alternative energy sources ARE cheaper than fosdil fuel energy sources.
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 11:02 AM
Aug 2024

Probably because of the massive amounts of cash the fossil fuel industry spends on blockading the transition away from CO2 emissions.

arlyellowdog

(1,429 posts)
11. Fracking is not a reason why people vote for president
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 11:21 AM
Aug 2024

The Washington Post is just recycling old articles about other candidates. Maybe another cost cutting ploy.

lees1975

(6,180 posts)
15. Fracking doesn't sway voters in Pennsylvania.
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 12:07 PM
Aug 2024

I lived in Western Pennsylvania for eight years, right over top of places where fracking was going on. The few people who work in that business don't live there, they work for contractors from Texas or Louisiana and already vote Republican. The companies have screwed the local people over on mineral rights in any case. Harris has a five point lead in most credible polls in PA, and fracking isn't going to touch that.

Something to sell papers and get ratings.

FakeNoose

(36,229 posts)
17. I live in PA and not that many jobs are dependent on the fracking industry
Tue Aug 13, 2024, 12:50 PM
Aug 2024

When this new "boom" came in about 15 years ago, most of the high-paying jobs went to people who moved here from Texas and Oklahoma because they were regular oil industry employees. Personally I don't know anyone who has benefitted financially from this "boom" but I guess some in Butler and Beaver counties have benefitted.

The sad thing is that rural landowners sign agreements to allow the oil companies to come on their land and drill with the new fracking technology. That's the only oil left because the old technology oil wells played out long ago. Now the new fracking technology pumps contaminated water into the substructure and forces the oil out of the ground. Net result is that the local water wells and aquifers are ruined for the next 1,000 years.

How are the oil companies planning to replace our drinking water supplies? How are Pennsylvania farmers supposed to water their crops and feed their animals? Some farm families have been forced to give up their land because of the groundwater and well water being ruined by the frackers. Others stay on their farms as long as they can afford to have water delivered in tank trucks, which is expensive.

Long story short - I can't believe that Pennsylvanians will turn off to Kamala because of the anti-fracking position. She actually has a good point and many Pennsylvanians agree with her. If the oil companies don't like her, well they weren't going to vote blue anyway.

walkingman

(8,675 posts)
22. As someone that lives in Texas and is living with the results of fracking
Wed Aug 14, 2024, 08:54 AM
Aug 2024

on a daily basis - I like Harris's position. Fracking is not considered an environmentally safe way to produce energy. Fracking has many potential environmental risks, including water contamination, air pollution, earthquakes and has several health risks, including respiratory and neurological problems, cardiovascular damage, endocrine disruption, birth defects, cancer, and premature mortality.

Not only does the initial damage impact people but the aftermath is felt fot decades. Not only locally but worldwide. These industrial players simply do not care about their damage, and the state and local regulatory agencies are basically owned by the fossil fuel industry.

Leaking wells, orphan wells, methane leaks, the god-awful smell for miles....

I don't think she has any reason to apologize for being environmentally friendly. There is nothing more important than our health. Not even the almighty dollar. ☮

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