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niyad

(118,050 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:57 PM Jun 29

The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men


The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men
PUBLISHED 4/11/2024 by Amber Wardell
Feminists, on the whole, don’t hate men. We hate sexism and sexist oppression. After all, men are harmed by patriarchy, too.



The perception that feminism is motivated by anti-male sentiment, or misandry, has been used to delegitimize and discredit the movement, has deterred women from joining it, and motivated men to oppose it, sometimes with violence. (Maskot / Getty Images)

The “feminists are man-haters” trope is getting old. For far too long, opponents of feminism have claimed that our movement is rooted in misandry—the prejudice, contempt or hatred against men. Men who have not bothered to educate themselves about what feminism stands for declare loudly and proudly that, if possible, feminist women would subjugate men, destabilize civilization, and summon forth the end of humanity. Until recently, refuting these claims has proven difficult. After all, every feminist-hating man has an anecdotal story of “that one feminist” he knows who definitively hates men. Thankfully, contemporary research has finally given us real, irrefutable evidence that feminists do not, in fact, despise men. A 2023 study measured levels of hostility toward men among feminists, non-feminists and other men. Interestingly, across six experiments conducted in nine nations and almost 10,000 participants, the results revealed that feminist women show no more hostility toward men than both non-feminists and other men. It turns out that just about everyone, including men, has a fair amount of hostility toward men.


Feminists Won’t Coddle Men’s Egos

Something that stood out in the results of the study is that although feminist women appear to have no more hostility toward men than non-feminist women, they are significantly less likely to be benevolent toward men. Whereas non-feminist women are likely to excuse or ignore men’s bad behavior toward women, feminist women will, more often than not, call it out. They will not pull their punches to spare men’s egos. They expect much from men, and will hold them accountable to the behavior they know men are capable of. And it appears that this is where the man-hating feminist trope has its roots. Misogynistic men with weak egos cannot abide being criticized, even gently—especially when those criticisms come from women, and even more so when they come from feminist women, who they have declared to be their mortal enemy. To men like these, being held accountable feels like hostility. A demand for equality and liberation feels like oppression. And being de-centered feels like being shunned. When faced with non-benevolent behavior of feminist women, who they already view as angry, aggressive, stubborn and egotistical, they perceive that behavior as evidence that feminists simply hate men.

It is known that misogynistic men prefer the company of non-feminist women who do not speak up about their misogyny. Since they do not often (if ever) hear that their attitudes about women are problematic, they may indeed view themselves as men who like or even have affection for women. They are unable to handle the wounded ego and cognitive dissonance that accompany being held accountable for their misogyny by feminist women. So, rather than looking inward, they lash out. They label feminists as man-haters to avoid having to examine their own attitudes and behaviors toward women.


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Although feminists will likely never center men in their work, they see men as their partners (but not co-equals) in gender-based oppression. They seek to improve civilization for both men and women by abolishing patriarchy and sexist oppression. In that work, they will often come across entitled, angry men who despise women generally and feminists specifically. When that happens, they will likely choose to go toe to toe with those men, refusing to coddle their egos and addressing their bad behavior instead. Rather than using this feedback as an invitation to challenge their beliefs and join us in the fight to end sexist oppression together, those men will decide to call those feminists man-haters. In reality, it is far more likely that those men simply hate women. They may never change their views about women. But for the many women around the world who choose not to identify with feminism because a man who hates women told them that feminists hate men, we need to correct the perception problem. Feminists, on the whole, don’t hate men. We hate sexism and sexist oppression, and we will not mollify, excuse or enable any man who chooses to uphold them.

https://msmagazine.com/2024/04/11/feminists-hate-men/
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The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men (Original Post) niyad Jun 29 OP
Back in the Seventies, my father had this irritating attitude. no_hypocrisy Jun 29 #1
Self-perpetuating knowledge that is not knowledge. keithbvadu2 Jun 29 #2
If women, including feminists, "hate men," valleyrogue Jun 29 #3
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Jun 29 #4

no_hypocrisy

(48,062 posts)
1. Back in the Seventies, my father had this irritating attitude.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 05:16 PM
Jun 29

He ascribed women-hating-men to women in the media like Betty Friedan (ugly!), Bea Arthur (Maude beating down Archie Bunker and any man in her sitcom), Gloria Steinem (won't shut up), Angela Davis (Communist!), Janis Joplin and Grace Slick (my daughter may want to grow up to be like them, e.g., sex for fun), and more.

Dad was terrified that feminism would break the choke he had on Mom and his daughters. (If you haven't extrapolated yet, he was a traditional authoritarian.) He put me in an all-women's independent college which had the reputation of a finishing school in the South. Instead, I gravitated towards women with whom I grew to be a Capital-F Feminist.

To Dad, the most he'd "allow" for nascent feminism were the advertisements for Virginia Slims Cigarettes. (Yeah, we'd come this far to get "our own cigarettes." )



Back to Feminists-Are-Men-Haters. I didn't hate men. I hated their airs and expectations of privilege and authoritarian. I didn't want discrimination for getting a credit card, being able to rent or buy a home, let a man take a job I was more qualified to get, enrollment in medical or law school.

keithbvadu2

(39,127 posts)
2. Self-perpetuating knowledge that is not knowledge.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 09:38 PM
Jun 29

Self-perpetuating knowledge that is not knowledge.

Self-perpetuating attitudes that may not be accurate.

Don't worry, it applies in both directions for the genders.

And if you really want to see confusion, try to follow this guy's logic.

(Please don't.) Just be amazed at him.

A guest at Trump's personal Thanksgiving table.


valleyrogue

(720 posts)
3. If women, including feminists, "hate men,"
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 10:45 PM
Jun 29

they have every reason to hate them. Women still don't hate men on the level men hate women.

niyad

(118,050 posts)
4. Welcome to our DU family.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 10:59 PM
Jun 29

Women are, quite correctly, angry, more than hating, especially as we are watching our rights stripped away, with a gleefully announced determination to take us back to chattel status, and yet, so many wonder WHY we are angry, or WHY we hate.

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