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Jilly_in_VA

(10,649 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 12:35 PM Jun 2024

It's not Islamophobia, it's anti-Palestinian racism

Since October 7 and the subsequent waves of student protests over Gaza, college administrators and politicians have spent a lot of time talking about antisemitism and Islamophobia. But there’s another form of discrimination that’s often left out of these conversations: anti-Palestinian racism.

The harsh university responses to campus protests — in which administrators called police on students because of vague concerns over safety — are one recent example of how schools can engage in anti-Palestinian racism. That’s why students and advocacy organizations have filed complaints and sued universities, including Columbia University, alleging anti-Palestinian discrimination.

So what is anti-Palestinian racism and why is it important to recognize it as a unique form of bigotry?

While it’s often conflated with Islamophobia, the two forms of discrimination are distinct: Islamophobia targets people for being Muslim and their religious beliefs, while the other targets people because of their Palestinian identity or because they support Palestinian rights. Anti-Palestinian racism focuses specifically on Palestinians’ culture, heritage, and their movements for liberation, often manifesting through suppressing speech and activism related to the Palestinian cause.

To be clear, anti-Palestinian racism and Islamophobia have similar roots and can have a vicious feedback loop. The dehumanization of Palestinians as barbaric, primitive, or terroristic, for example, perpetuates racist tropes about not just Arabs but also about Muslims more broadly. And the depiction of Islam as an inherently violent religion — one that’s incompatible with the West — feeds into the idea that Palestinians, who are predominantly Muslim, aren’t capable of pursuing peace.

https://www.vox.com/policy/352663/anti-palestinian-racism-islamophobia-antisemitism

I'm a white American Christian of a certain age. I get really angry when I'm told that because I support a cease-fire, a two state solution, empathize with the suffering of the Palestinian people,, and think Bibi is a wrongheaded idiot, that I support Hamas, because I damn sure don't. This last shit has gone on about 243 days too long.

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It's not Islamophobia, it's anti-Palestinian racism (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 OP
Try being Jewish and being called an anti Semite for supporting same. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #1
I think since the Oct. 7th attack by Hamas on Israel, it seems to have walkingman Jun 2024 #2
I'm also of a 'certain' age calguy Jun 2024 #3
So that means Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #4
So that means...? calguy Jun 2024 #6
I'm Old Enough To Remember When the Word "Palestinian" Was Deep State Witch Jun 2024 #7
Yes exactly, I came here to say the same FakeNoose Jun 2024 #8
Probably Deep State Witch Jun 2024 #9
Thank you for the link to this important article. Big Blue Marble Jun 2024 #5
Hamas is the Government of Gaza JI7 Jun 2024 #10
Just reminding you Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #11
Yeah but so what? Mosby Jun 2024 #12
Who says Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #13
Putin is popular among many Russians JI7 Jun 2024 #14
Not as many Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #15
We see Russians protesting Putin JI7 Jun 2024 #16
How can they protest Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #17
They were able to cheer and celebrate even they brought hostages JI7 Jun 2024 #18
SOME may have Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #19
 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
1. Try being Jewish and being called an anti Semite for supporting same.
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 12:46 PM
Jun 2024

On this platform.

I don't engage with them anymore.

Add being Latino to that equation, and feeling clusterf#cked.

walkingman

(8,111 posts)
2. I think since the Oct. 7th attack by Hamas on Israel, it seems to have
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 12:54 PM
Jun 2024

quickly become a black/white issue. This conflict has been going on for decades and will continue until reasonable people accept the fact that you cannot kill your way to peace.

There are unacceptable actions on both sides of the conflict. IMO, anyone that takes a side from afar usually is ignoring the actions of the "other" side. In reality, most people everywhere just want to be able to have a decent life for themselves and their children, without worrying about getting killed or harassed constantly.


calguy

(5,691 posts)
3. I'm also of a 'certain' age
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 12:58 PM
Jun 2024

And I've learned over the years not to get angry over folks calling me this and that if I say one thing or another that other folks might not agree with. Just because I feel one way or another, it doesn't mean the entire world should agree with me because they see things in it that I don't. Bottom line is if I get angry over someone else expressing a different view in an open forum like this, then I probably shouldn't have stepped into a situation where I might get my feelings hurt.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,649 posts)
4. So that means
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 01:43 PM
Jun 2024

you wouldn't get involved in a "pro something" demonstration? I have, and I get pretty mad if someone accuses me of being "anti-Israel" just because I support the Palestinian people and a Palestinian state. It certainly doesn't mean I don't support Israel, it means I don't support what Israel is doing at this particular time.[/] Of course it makes me angry. I don't do anything with the anger, but it still makes me angry. Perhaps I'm not as evolved a being as you.

calguy

(5,691 posts)
6. So that means...?
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jun 2024

No, that doesn't mean anything unless you, yourself put a label on it. I've marched in plenty of demonstrations back in the 60's for causes I believed in. It's all well and good that I did, and well within my rights.
It's your right tp demonstrate just as I did, but don't think that just because you're out there, there aren't the same number of people opposed to what you might think.
Bottom line is... If you can't take the heat, don't go in the kitchen.

Deep State Witch

(11,006 posts)
7. I'm Old Enough To Remember When the Word "Palestinian" Was
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 03:39 PM
Jun 2024

Followed by "Terrorist." They were the bad guys.

Feb 1970: PFLP Bombing of Swissair jet kills 47
Sep 1970: Palestinian guerrillas expelled from Jordan. Known as "Black September"
May 1972: Members of the JRA, acting on behalf of the PFLP, attacked Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, kill 24 and injure 78
Sep 1972: Members of the Israeli Olympic Team held hostage at Munich Olympics, 11 killed.
Oct 1972: 3 Black September terrorists hijack Lufthansa plane and demand release of the Munich group.
Dec 1972: Black September terrorists attack Israeli embassy in Thailand.
Mar 1973: Vehicle bombs defused at El Al terminal at Kennedy Airport, the First Israel Bank and Trust Company, and the Israel Discount Bank in New York City; member of Black September arrested in 1991, sentenced to 30 years in prison
Mar 1974: US ambassador Cleo A. Noel, Jr., and deputy chief of mission George C. Moore assassinated by Black September after attack on Saudi Embassy in Khartoum the previous day
Jun 1976: Air France flight hijacked by PFLP; two hostages and one hijacker are killed
Jul 1976: Israelis raid Entebbe, rescue 246 hijacked hostages; three hostages and all hijackers killed
Jan 1982: Malcolm Kerr, American University president, assassinated in Beirut; Islamic Jihad claims responsibility
Apr 1983: Car bomb explodes in front of US Embassy, killing 63 and wounding over 100; Hizballah responsible
Oct 1983: Islamic Jihad bombs US Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 US Marines and 58 French paratroopers
Dec 1983: US and French in Kuwait embassies bombed, killing six and wounding 80; Hizballah responsible
Mar 1984: US official William Buckley seized, later killed by Hizballah
Dec 1984: Hizballah’s Islamic Jihad Organization hijacks plane bound for Tehran; two US officials killed
Jun 1985: Two Hizballah members hijack TWA flight 847 and murder US Navy diver, Robert Stethem, in Beirut; other hostages released, hijackers escape
Dec 1987: Founding of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) by Shaykh Ahmad Yasin
Aug 1995: HAMAS bomber kills five, wounds 100 on Jerusalem bus
Jul 1997: Double suicide attack kills 16 and wounds 150 in Jerusalem; HAMAS responsible
Jan 2001: HAMAS suicide car bomb wounds 54 in Netanya
May 2001: HAMAS and PIJ detonate two bombs at bus station on anniversary of Israeli pullout from Lebanon in 2000, killing the three suicide attackers and wounding 45 Israelis
Jun 2001: HAMAS claims responsibility for Tel Aviv disco suicide bomb that kills 20 and wounds 120
Dec 2001: Two suicide bombers detonate explosives in mall, killing 10 and wounding 120; HAMAS claims responsibility
Mar 2002: Suicide bomb kills 11 and wounds 25 inside a crowded Jerusalem cafe; HAMAS claims responsibility;
Mar 2002: 29 people killed and 140 wounded by suicide bomber attack on hotel during Passover seder; HAMAS claims responsibility
Mar 2002: Suicide bomber strikes restaurant in Haifa, killing 15 people and wounding more than 40; HAMAS claims responsibility
Apr 2002: HAMAS suicide bomber kills eight, wounds 22 in bus attack
Jul 2002: Nine students, including five US citizens, killed and 85 wounded by bomb at Hebrew University; HAMAS responsible, apologizes for American deaths
Aug 2002: Bus bombing kills 10 passengers and wounds more than 40; HAMAS claims responsibility
Mar 2003: HAMAS suicide bomber explodes bomb aboard bus, killing 15, including one US citizen, and wounding 40 others
Aug 2003: HAMAS suicide bomber detonates bomb aboard bus in Jerusalem, killing 20, including five US citizens, and wounding 140
Jan 2004: First female HAMAS suicide bomber kills four, wounds 10 at Erez Crossing
Mar 2004: Near-simultaneous attacks by two suicide bombers kill 10, wound 18 in Ashdod port; HAMAS and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claim responsibility
Aug 2004: Two HAMAS bus bombings kill 16 in Beersheba
Mar 2008: Eight students killed in attack on yeshiva in Jerusalem; HAMAS claims responsibility
Aug 2010: Four settlers killed by gunfire in Qiryat Arba`; spokesman for HAMAS's military wing, Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, claims responsibility
Sep 2010: Second shooting attack in two days leaves two wounded; spokesman for HAMAS's military wing, Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, again claims responsibility



FakeNoose

(34,758 posts)
8. Yes exactly, I came here to say the same
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 04:00 PM
Jun 2024

... but you said it better.

I think it goes back to 1967 when Egypt attacked Israel, Israel fought back. By the end of 7 days, Egypt lost the Sinai Peninsula and Israel was declared the victor. I believe that's when the Palestinians were first displaced, but not moved to Gaza yet. Am I right?

Big Blue Marble

(5,424 posts)
5. Thank you for the link to this important article.
Wed Jun 5, 2024, 02:25 PM
Jun 2024

It has taken far too long for this obvious fact to be addressed.
The tragedy of Gaza, is only happening because these people have
been dehumanized by so many. It is time to discuss it.

Mosby

(17,013 posts)
12. Yeah but so what?
Thu Jun 6, 2024, 02:18 PM
Jun 2024

Was Al-Sisi elected? Nope. Was Assad elected, nope, was King Abdullah elected? nope.

All three are the leaders of their respective countries, the fact that the Palestinians don't want to hold elections and prefer to be ruled by Hamas and Fatah is none of our business.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,649 posts)
13. Who says
Thu Jun 6, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jun 2024

That the Palestinian people don't WANT to hold elections and prefer to be ruled by Hamas? Would you say the same about the Russian people and Putin? Get out of here with your false logic!

Jilly_in_VA

(10,649 posts)
15. Not as many
Thu Jun 6, 2024, 06:21 PM
Jun 2024

as you would like to think, and his "victory" in the last "election" was so engineered that it's dubious at best. But Hamas has not even allowed an election to be held for 17 years, so there is no way anyone can say that Palestinians WANT to have that kind of government.

JI7

(90,094 posts)
16. We see Russians protesting Putin
Thu Jun 6, 2024, 06:49 PM
Jun 2024

From what I have seen most Palestinians support Hamas. That's why they haven't held elections in West Bank either.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,649 posts)
17. How can they protest
Fri Jun 7, 2024, 12:18 PM
Jun 2024

when they're being bombed into the next century? And before that they were being oppressed. You know very little about the situation, apparently.

JI7

(90,094 posts)
18. They were able to cheer and celebrate even they brought hostages
Fri Jun 7, 2024, 04:04 PM
Jun 2024

why didn't they call for elections instead ?

Jilly_in_VA

(10,649 posts)
19. SOME may have
Fri Jun 7, 2024, 05:13 PM
Jun 2024

Not all by any means. You lump them all together. For that reason I refuse to engage with you further and you are about to become Ignored.

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