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highplainsdem

(61,631 posts)
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:19 PM Yesterday

AI error jails innocent grandmother for months in North Dakota fraud case

Source: Grand Forks Herald

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Officers from North Dakota did not pick up Lipps from her jail cell in Tennessee until Oct. 30 — 108 days after her arrest. The next day she made her first appearance in a North Dakota courtroom to fight the charges.

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Greenwood immediately asked Lipps for her bank records. Once they were in hand, Fargo police met with him and Lipps at the Cass County jail on Dec. 19. She had already been in jail for more than five months. It was the first time police interviewed her.

Her bank records showed she was more than 1,200 miles away, at home in Tennessee at the same time police claimed she was in Fargo committing fraud.

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On Christmas Eve, five days after the interview with Fargo police, the case was dismissed, and she was released from jail.

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Read more: https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/ai-error-jails-innocent-grandmother-for-months-in-north-dakota-fraud-case



They kept this woman in jail for more than 5 months, based on Fargo police using faulty AI to charge her with bank fraud in a state she'd never been in.

She lost her home, her car and her dog.

They released her from jail on Christmas Eve with no money, no way to get back to Tennessee, only the summer clothing she was wearing when arrested. Defense attorneys gave her money for a hotel room and food.

IMO Fargo owes her millions, and at least some people in the Fargo police department should be fired, investigated (including the police chief responsible, who will be retiring in a couple of weeks) and maybe prosecuted. They did not try to question her while she was in Tennessee, and did not pick her up from the TN jail where she was being held for months. I wonder if they knew they had no real case against her and were hoping some proof would show up.

It was sadistic of them to release her when they did, the way they did. They've never apologized to her.

I hope national media will put them under a spotlight.

AI facial recognition isn't reliable, but that initial mistake, bad as it was, was followed by incompetence and contempt for her rights.

In Tennessee, too, since no one there even asked about this woman's bank records, which would have cleared her immediately.
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AI error jails innocent grandmother for months in North Dakota fraud case (Original Post) highplainsdem Yesterday OP
AI face recognition screws up again. sop Yesterday #1
It should never be trusted. highplainsdem Yesterday #7
we'll probably find out that it was A.I. that also targeted the elementary school in Iran. OGBuzz 22 hrs ago #24
No, that wasn't artificial intelligence. It was natural stupidity. Orrex 19 hrs ago #25
It's ridiculous in this case Diraven 23 hrs ago #20
Many jurisidictions forbid police dispatches for unverified alarms Orrex 19 hrs ago #26
is there a copy of the article that isn't behind a paywall? cab67 Yesterday #2
I didn't run into a paywall. highplainsdem Yesterday #6
I think it's part of a newspaper network. cab67 Yesterday #15
I clear the browser cache every time I log off. Helps me avoid a lot of paywalls. And signing in to highplainsdem Yesterday #18
Archived link FakeNoose Yesterday #9
thanks! cab67 Yesterday #14
She should also sue the AI company. chowder66 Yesterday #3
Yes. highplainsdem Yesterday #8
I wish she would be able to, but the AI companies have too much undeserved immunity for damage caused to get $ from them AZJonnie Yesterday #10
Yeah, going after the AI company would be fruitless. ShazzieB Yesterday #19
Agreed AZJonnie 23 hrs ago #22
I agree with you. I'm sure they must have something that speaks to their technologies accuracy but I would have a lawyer chowder66 23 hrs ago #21
What? mahatmakanejeeves Yesterday #4
Lawsuit! RussBLib Yesterday #5
This will happen more and more RandiFan1290 Yesterday #11
Not only jail but moniss Yesterday #13
On YouTube there is a video of a guy moniss Yesterday #12
Well, I imagine attorneys will be getting grandma a whole lot of money very soon. Vinca Yesterday #16
There needs to be a lot of fallout from this. cab67 Yesterday #17
I hope she was able to get her dog back crimycarny 22 hrs ago #23
An incredibly egregious action on the art of law enforcement. Aren't there procedures on place to prevent this kind of Martin68 19 hrs ago #27
Law enforcement in the USA, especially in red states, is a disgrace Mysterian 17 hrs ago #28
They held her without bail in Tennessee Old Crank 13 hrs ago #29
Make Intelligence Real Again IronLionZion 8 hrs ago #30

OGBuzz

(236 posts)
24. we'll probably find out that it was A.I. that also targeted the elementary school in Iran.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 05:34 PM
22 hrs ago

Diraven

(1,873 posts)
20. It's ridiculous in this case
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 04:18 PM
23 hrs ago

I've seen the actual picture of the real suspect the AI used to identify her. It's very low resolution and she's looking down so you can't even see any details of her face below her eyebrows. The way AI works is it just makes a plausible guess on what all the rest of the face might look like. Not like traditional facial recognition software which is accurate because uses only information it actually measures.

Orrex

(66,995 posts)
26. Many jurisidictions forbid police dispatches for unverified alarms
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:27 PM
19 hrs ago

The default used to be: alarm goes off; monitoring service calls customer; if customer doesn't answer, then call police.

Now, it's common for municipalities (Pittsburgh, for instance) to require alarm verification, namely concurrent exterior and interior alarms, or a person requesting/confirming dispatch.

It seems to me that arrests based on AI evidence should maintain standards at least as strict. Two confirmed photos of a suspect, or a person going on record to confirm that a pic is indeed the person in question. But AI processing a pic and saying "get 'em" is a recipe for disaster.

cab67

(3,703 posts)
15. I think it's part of a newspaper network.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:04 PM
Yesterday

If you're subscribed to a different paper in that network, you might have access.

Not sure if that's what was happening, but I couldn't get anywhere near it.

highplainsdem

(61,631 posts)
18. I clear the browser cache every time I log off. Helps me avoid a lot of paywalls. And signing in to
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:09 PM
Yesterday

websites I have to sign in to again takes just seconds.

FakeNoose

(41,284 posts)
9. Archived link
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:45 PM
Yesterday
https://archive.ph/yCaVV

Unfortunately I can't make that black box go away. It's part of the page.

Here's what the headline says:
"AI error jails innocent grandmother for months in North Dakota fraud case"

Subhead:
"Angela Lipps spent nearly six months in jail in Tennessee and North Dakota after being misidentified by Fargo police through AI facial recognition in a bank fraud investigation."

The rest of the story is given in full.

AZJonnie

(3,631 posts)
10. I wish she would be able to, but the AI companies have too much undeserved immunity for damage caused to get $ from them
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:47 PM
Yesterday

Ultimately also this travesty comes down mostly to human screw-ups. It's one thing to have the cops show up to ask you questions based on faulty AI-based facial recognition, and a whole OTHER thing to be actually arrested and then left to rot for 5 fucking months

Which is just to say that in THIS case at least, AI's culpability is relatively low vs. the totality of harm caused. But that will not always be the case. Esp. if military autonomous killing machines run on AI

And of course the freaking cops need to get it through their damn heads that AI makes mistakes and not rely on it so much, cause this is far from the first case of this kind of crap!!!

ShazzieB

(22,500 posts)
19. Yeah, going after the AI company would be fruitless.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:17 PM
Yesterday

Whatever you may think about AI, suing that company would be like suing the company cilcerothat manufactured a car for its use in a hit and run. This situation is obviously down to human incompetence, willful violation of this woman's constitutionally protected due process rights, and what appears tohave been deliberate malice in releasing her the way they did. The AI company is in no way responsible for any of those things.

In addition, I'd be absolutely shocked if the tos for that AI is not loaded with dislaimers of responsibility for misuse that the Fargo cops didn't even bother to read before clicking "accept."

"And of course the freaking cops need to get it through their damn heads that AI makes mistakes and not rely on it so much, cause this is far from the first case of this kind of crap!!!"

Yes, and not just cops. Humans in general need to get it through their damn heads that AI makes mistakes. Like those attorneys who got in trouble for filing legal briefs riddled with AI-fabricated "citations."

AZJonnie

(3,631 posts)
22. Agreed
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 04:34 PM
23 hrs ago

I admit I use AI quite a bit to confirm the accuracy of news stories and get a better understanding of events, and the absolute #1 thing AI gets wrong is overstating the certainty level about things that are inherently uncertain. Basically it tries to sound more authoritative than it should, fairly often. It will also try to tell you what it thinks you want to hear, although ChatGPT is by far and away the WORST in this regard, they all have a tendency to judge your intent.

To combat these issues, I prompt with this specifically in mind with things like "I see some recent news stories that say X and others that seem to say the opposite. Please provide a detailed assessment of the available evidence for each of the assertions and show me your work in determining which is more likely to be accurate". This way it doesn't "think" for lack of a better word, I want a definitive answer for the question "is x true?", nor that I have a "preferred" answer. Give it permission to be non-authoritative and unbiased, tell it you just want to see the evidence/arguments on both sides, and it will do better things.

It may still not find (and hence consider) evidence that you'd hope it would, however. There's limits to the scope of searches it will do so that's good to keep in mind as well.

Bottom-line, this all makes it pretty damn sketchy to use for decisions that can really impact people's lives

chowder66

(12,173 posts)
21. I agree with you. I'm sure they must have something that speaks to their technologies accuracy but I would have a lawyer
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 04:25 PM
23 hrs ago

check it out which I'm pretty sure a good lawyer would do.

RussBLib

(10,580 posts)
5. Lawsuit!
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:36 PM
Yesterday

I’m sure she can find some hungry attorneys somewhere…

You know this kind of legal action might become the next big thing. Non-stop commercials from attorneys promising to press charges for wrongful imprisonment, and MAKE THEM PAY!!!

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

RandiFan1290

(6,709 posts)
11. This will happen more and more
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:56 PM
Yesterday

Here is another example. Not as serious but he still went to jail.


moniss

(8,988 posts)
13. Not only jail but
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:01 PM
Yesterday

although the judge dismissed the case he did so without prejudice meaning they can bring the charges back at him again later. So probably if he sues they will go back at him again.

moniss

(8,988 posts)
12. On YouTube there is a video of a guy
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:58 PM
Yesterday

in Reno, NV who got dragged incorrectly by the erroneous AI. The video is from the body-cam of the cop who is all deeply into believing the AI and nobody taking any simple steps to show they had the wrong guy. So he ends up in court and the judge dismisses the case but without prejudice meaning they can come after him again. They end up giving the guy a record of being arrested when he wasn't even who they were looking for. The cops bowed down to the Casino security because of course they know the casinos are the real bosses of what goes on.

Vinca

(53,828 posts)
16. Well, I imagine attorneys will be getting grandma a whole lot of money very soon.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:07 PM
Yesterday

I think I'd sue for a minimum of a million dollars a week.

cab67

(3,703 posts)
17. There needs to be a lot of fallout from this.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:09 PM
Yesterday

Anyone who's ever been convicted on such "evidence" should have their cases reviewed, pronto.

Judges should start instructing juries that AI-based stuff is not infallible, and that it sometimes identifies the wrong person. And it shouldn't be allowed as evidence until proper scientific studies demonstrate its effectiveness.

The officers involved in this case, both in ND and TN, need to lose their jobs. They, and the police chief who just retired, should be sued into poverty, and hopefully, they won't be indemnified by their city. They didn't do one iota of real investigation, and leaving her in jail for 100+ days without even talking to her is unacceptable.

One question, though - did this woman's family know what was going on? If they did, why didn't they at least get her dog?

crimycarny

(2,075 posts)
23. I hope she was able to get her dog back
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 05:31 PM
22 hrs ago

Bad enough losing your home and your car, but also your dog, which can't be replaced. Dogs are like family.

I couldn't find whether or not she got her dog back. I hope so.

Martin68

(27,585 posts)
27. An incredibly egregious action on the art of law enforcement. Aren't there procedures on place to prevent this kind of
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:02 PM
19 hrs ago

atrocity?

Mysterian

(6,385 posts)
28. Law enforcement in the USA, especially in red states, is a disgrace
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:24 PM
17 hrs ago

How many innocent people are in jail in the USA, the country with more incarcerated persons, by far, than any other nation? Our federal system and our democracy are failures.

Old Crank

(6,917 posts)
29. They held her without bail in Tennessee
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:58 AM
13 hrs ago

For 5 months.
No police did anything?
Totally disgraceful. Tennessee and ND need to be on the hook criminally and for damages.

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