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BumRushDaShow

(166,491 posts)
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:30 PM Yesterday

Rejecting Decades of Science, Vaccine Panel Chair Says Polio and Other Shots Should Be Optional

Last edited Fri Jan 23, 2026, 09:02 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: New York Times

Jan. 23, 2026, 11:51 a.m. ET


Offering a startlingly candid view into the philosophy guiding vaccine recommendations under the Trump administration, the leader of the federal panel that recommends vaccines for Americans said shots against polio and measles -- and perhaps all diseases -- should be optional, offered only in consultation with a clinician.

Dr. Kirk Milhoan, a pediatric cardiologist who is chair of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, said that he did have "concerns" that some children might die of measles or become paralyzed with polio as a result of a choice not to vaccinate. But, he said, "I also am saddened when people die of alcoholic diseases," adding, "Freedom of choice and bad health outcomes."

In the case of an infectious disease, a personal choice to decline a vaccine may also affect others, including infants who are too young to be vaccinated or people who are immunocompromised. But a person's right to reject a vaccine supersedes those risks, Dr. Milhoan said. "If there is no choice, then informed consent is an illusion," he said. "Without consent it is medical battery."

The polio and measles vaccines are widely acknowledged as staggering successes in public health, credited with preventing disability and millions of deaths worldwide. The polio vaccine in particular has strong bipartisan support, including from President Trump and some Republican lawmakers, who have invoked the horrific time before the vaccine was available.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/health/milhoan-vaccines-optional-polio.html



More "death panel" nonsense. Maybe Turtle should have a word with him.
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Rejecting Decades of Science, Vaccine Panel Chair Says Polio and Other Shots Should Be Optional (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Yesterday OP
THE ONLY VACCINE THAT HAS PROVEN UNNECESSARY (since 1979) IS SMALLPOX!!!!! hlthe2b Yesterday #1
Smallpox killed 90% of the population of the Americas when Europeans first arrived iemanja Yesterday #18
Yes and it was CDC with WHO who worked throughout the world to ERADICATE it hlthe2b Yesterday #21
While this policy would affect people of all ages, a pundit on CNN last night said something that stuck with me... EarlG Yesterday #2
And yet many of them are obsessed with increasing the (white) birth rate. tanyev Yesterday #5
Ironically it would be MAGA parents causing the deaths of their own children IronLionZion Yesterday #37
Exactly. It's anti-child, and it's horrifying. highplainsdem Yesterday #6
It's Eugenics in action. Bohunk68 Yesterday #39
I'll extend your viewpoint and say that the anti-child extends to all children - white or brown. erronis Yesterday #26
WOW! quite a bunch running our America today! bluestarone Yesterday #3
unvaccinated children should not be permitted to attend public school. Period. Greybnk48 Yesterday #4
I'd agree, but there will objectors due to their religions. n/t BadgerKid Yesterday #8
Then they can go to religious schools where slightlv Yesterday #14
Exactly! Well, said. Greybnk48 22 hrs ago #45
That is the Objective eringer Yesterday #13
Hurting public schools even more? not fooled Yesterday #40
The exact same logic could be applied to illegal drug use AZJonnie Yesterday #7
I can see where you say it's a converse, but I agree with you. slightlv Yesterday #15
Well, surfered Yesterday #9
Dr Kirk is a Quack Doctor eringer Yesterday #10
My grandma EuterpeThelo Yesterday #11
wow Skittles Yesterday #12
A man died recently in his (I think) late 70s who spent his entire life in an iron lung. dedl67 Yesterday #28
So the next generation will have the option of getting polio. milestogo Yesterday #16
Most people are poor at evaluating risks dedl67 Yesterday #32
The goal must be to cull the population iemanja Yesterday #17
This is so fucking stupid that I feel like screaming here in my kitchen 3catwoman3 Yesterday #19
Die, Americans, die. Solly Mack Yesterday #20
Unvaccinated people should be made to wear a bell while in public. Talitha Yesterday #22
Unfortunately, it will require a major tragic outbreak to convince these morons of the error of their ways Mysterian Yesterday #23
Over 1 million died of covid. SamKnause Yesterday #33
Insurance companies JPK Yesterday #24
I have no doubt they will indeed refuse coverage. Bristlecone Yesterday #35
Does anyone want to associate with idiots who purposely choose to spread diseases? mdbl Yesterday #25
"Medical battery". travelingthrulife Yesterday #27
I got vaccinated for polio in grade school in the 1950's when the vaccine first came out. patphil Yesterday #29
Jonas Salk was a hero - one of many great persons who graduated City College of New York dedl67 Yesterday #34
Yes, he was. patphil Yesterday #44
God told them so. nt BootinUp Yesterday #30
Seems their intentions are to fill up the cemeteries with babies and small children. SamKnause Yesterday #31
That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have heard... lonely bird Yesterday #36
Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly of total US population IronLionZion Yesterday #38
"A diseased population is easier to control." not fooled Yesterday #41
Republicans want to save the "unborn " mountain grammy Yesterday #42
Those of us who remember the 1950s be damned. Sneederbunk Yesterday #43
The kid across the street from me, a very close friend, had those big clunky Forrest Gump braces on his legs Greybnk48 22 hrs ago #46
The rich & well-connected get them. Zelda_Orchid 16 hrs ago #47
Trump knows what works when it comes to Turbineguy 12 hrs ago #48

hlthe2b

(113,025 posts)
1. THE ONLY VACCINE THAT HAS PROVEN UNNECESSARY (since 1979) IS SMALLPOX!!!!!
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:39 PM
Yesterday

The only vaccine-preventable disease to be eradicated because there were not pockets of humans or other species that remained susceptible with ongoing transmission. That is not the case with any others, although measles was (ONCE)amenable to ELIMINATION (NOT ERADICATION) through vaccination and strict public health surveillance/interventions.

iemanja

(57,520 posts)
18. Smallpox killed 90% of the population of the Americas when Europeans first arrived
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:59 PM
Yesterday

within a century. It's the deadliest disease of all.

hlthe2b

(113,025 posts)
21. Yes and it was CDC with WHO who worked throughout the world to ERADICATE it
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 05:40 PM
Yesterday

with an effective vaccine, but ALSO the massive public health work required to identify, isolate, and vaccinate until the virus itself had no one left to infect. Throughout the entire damned world!

William Foege--a former Director of CDC and then later on, went on with President Jimmy Carter to create and direct the Carter Center--is credited with "devising the global strategy that led to the eradication of smallpox in the late 1970s". From May 1977 to 1983. True heroes of the time and villainized today. We will (sadly) face tragedy again due to the ignorance of so many today.

EarlG

(23,449 posts)
2. While this policy would affect people of all ages, a pundit on CNN last night said something that stuck with me...
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:39 PM
Yesterday

He said that GOP policies are anti-child. It's short, to the point, and an easy case to make.

They don't care about providing lunches in school for children who can't afford to eat. They don't care about the slaughter of children in schools by mentally ill people with easy access to high powered weaponry. They don't care about children -- who were bought into the country legally -- being rounded up by masked men with guns and held in detention facilities. They don't care about children being teargassed on the way home from school, or even in school. They don't care about children dying of malnutrition after USAID was abolished. And they don't care about vaccinating children to prevent them from dying or being paralyzed by preventable diseases.

This new vaccine policy would directly cause the deaths of thousands of children -- that's why it's no surprise to hear it being proposed by the anti-child Republican Party.

tanyev

(48,754 posts)
5. And yet many of them are obsessed with increasing the (white) birth rate.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:46 PM
Yesterday

They have to know lots of white children are also harmed by their anti-child policies. It’s bizarre.

IronLionZion

(50,912 posts)
37. Ironically it would be MAGA parents causing the deaths of their own children
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:53 PM
Yesterday

because that's who would choose to not vaccinate.

erronis

(22,865 posts)
26. I'll extend your viewpoint and say that the anti-child extends to all children - white or brown.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 07:52 PM
Yesterday

The plutocrats don't want to allow us to have a nanny state where poor families and their children can live and flourish.

The plutocrats believe that they are successful because they were super smart (just like trump) and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps (with maybe a little help from rich parents.)

The plutocrats think that some must perish so the better endowed can succeed.

They are willing to see huge amounts of the world (and the US) population suffer and perish. They have lost "empathy" and are proud of it.

bluestarone

(21,440 posts)
3. WOW! quite a bunch running our America today!
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:42 PM
Yesterday

I guess if people are DUMB enough to destroy their children, what more can you do?

Greybnk48

(10,681 posts)
4. unvaccinated children should not be permitted to attend public school. Period.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:45 PM
Yesterday

That's how it used to be, and it should be that way now. Your choice, but it'll cost you instead of costing the rest of us with our kids becoming sick or dying from your infected kids.

slightlv

(7,500 posts)
14. Then they can go to religious schools where
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:52 PM
Yesterday

immunization choice and consequences are spelled out completely in their school policies, and given each year to the parents when they pay for the coming school year for their child. And I mean, spell it out completely... including that YOUR PARENTAL choice may cost YOUR child and other children in your child's classes their lives. If it's that important to that religion, then okay. But let them be segregated from the rest of us. And I would like to start seeing court filings by parents of children who got sick with unnecessary diseases because of unvaxed kids. Let those who made the unvax choice pay the price.. at least monetarily... of any doctor, medicine, and/or hospital costs they've engendered because of THEIR CHOICE.

And I just LOVE how THEY have the choice to kill their kids AND ours... but we women don't have the right to choice about our own bodies.

This admin is not only anti-child, it's anti-woman, and anti-humanity, IMO. I'd love to see all the white supremacists and nazis gathered into their own group within their own compound so they can't contaminate anyone else. Let them live their lives... just far away from decent, civilized people.

eringer

(516 posts)
13. That is the Objective
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:24 PM
Yesterday

Keep them out of school and when they get sick give them aspirin in large doses until they die. In this world everyone gets one Social Security benefit when they are born and both parents are citizens and that will be free cremation.
THIS WAY ONLY THE RICH SURVIVE.
Musk’s Robots will man the Dept of War.
How absolutely beautiful this must sound to the authors of Project 25.

AZJonnie

(2,988 posts)
7. The exact same logic could be applied to illegal drug use
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:51 PM
Yesterday

Granted, in a sense it's a converse, but the same basic reasoning could be applied. Why are people denied the right to individually choose to do cocaine, meth, heroin? As a general concept, it's because of the harm to collective society.

If you are going to argue that it's wrong to mandate vaccines due to "personal liberty", then you MUST also concede it's wrong to deny people whatever freaking drugs they want to take due to "personal liberty"

Tell me how I'm wrong, Dr. Milhoan?

Also, JFC, where do they get these freaking idiots and how do they have these jobs they're obviously completely unsuited for?

slightlv

(7,500 posts)
15. I can see where you say it's a converse, but I agree with you.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:54 PM
Yesterday

I absolutely see total hypocrisy regarding "medicines" and "drugs". If one is individual choice, the other should be as well. Collective harm? Me smoking a bit of pot never killed a kid... the most that ever happened was I got rattled boiling hot dogs one time.

eringer

(516 posts)
10. Dr Kirk is a Quack Doctor
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:16 PM
Yesterday

This stuff is sheer lunacy. However, it fulfills this administration’s objective of killing off the poor and uneducated which is critical to making America Great Again.

EuterpeThelo

(225 posts)
11. My grandma
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:20 PM
Yesterday

was on the radio show "Queen For a Day" because she raised money to buy iron lungs for kids who suffered from polio. I saw one once in person in a museum in Iowa and oh. my. goddess. I can't even imagine the horror of having to live in one.

dedl67

(189 posts)
28. A man died recently in his (I think) late 70s who spent his entire life in an iron lung.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:03 PM
Yesterday

When I was in the hospital with polio in 1952 I could see a long line of iron lungs against the only wall I could see in the huge room full of patients (we were all in straightjackets and couldn't move much). I feel bad for those poor folks. (I remember "Queen for a Day".)

milestogo

(22,739 posts)
16. So the next generation will have the option of getting polio.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:58 PM
Yesterday

Along with lots of other terrible things.

dedl67

(189 posts)
32. Most people are poor at evaluating risks
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:28 PM
Yesterday

In particular, many people seem to attach more weight to the risk that a vaccination may cause them some harm than they do to the risk of getting a disease that vaccination is intended to protect them from.

iemanja

(57,520 posts)
17. The goal must be to cull the population
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:58 PM
Yesterday

It's the only explanation for their cancelling so many vaccines: they mean to kill people.

3catwoman3

(28,736 posts)
19. This is so fucking stupid that I feel like screaming here in my kitchen
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 05:12 PM
Yesterday

"...“concerns” that some children might die of measles or become paralyzed with polio as a result of a choice not to vaccinate. But, he said, “I also am saddened when people die of alcoholic diseases,” adding, “Freedom of choice and bad health outcomes.”

This sounds a hell of a lot like this bukkshit from Charlie Kirk - "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

Dr. Milhoan is another physician who seems to have taken the Hypocritic Oath rather than the Hippocratic Oath.



Talitha

(7,722 posts)
22. Unvaccinated people should be made to wear a bell while in public.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 05:42 PM
Yesterday

Just like Lepers in oldentimes. At least we'd know who to stay the hell away from.

Mysterian

(6,213 posts)
23. Unfortunately, it will require a major tragic outbreak to convince these morons of the error of their ways
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 06:55 PM
Yesterday

Thousands and thousands of ruined lives will result from their stupidity.

SamKnause

(14,791 posts)
33. Over 1 million died of covid.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:30 PM
Yesterday

Last edited Sat Jan 24, 2026, 07:16 AM - Edit history (1)

They didn't give a shit.

They mocked people who wore masks.

They refused to wear masks.

They are a death cult.

There is no reasoning with these people.

JPK

(939 posts)
24. Insurance companies
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 06:57 PM
Yesterday

Should refuse coverage of illnesses that were preventable by vaccines such as Polio. Those that become afflicted and end up in iron lungs then sluffed off on the taxpayers because the kids parents decided to not vaccinate their kids should be held financially liable for the ultimate care of their child if they refused having their child vaccinated. Same for Measles, or any other disease that can affect a non vaccinated child that would have to rely on the taxpayer to care for their child into the future for the consequences of their stupidity.

Bristlecone

(11,028 posts)
35. I have no doubt they will indeed refuse coverage.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:40 PM
Yesterday

If you have opted not to get the vaccine.
It would be “good business” unfortunately.

mdbl

(8,164 posts)
25. Does anyone want to associate with idiots who purposely choose to spread diseases?
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 07:10 PM
Yesterday

I certainly don't.

travelingthrulife

(4,646 posts)
27. "Medical battery".
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 07:57 PM
Yesterday

These people have no ability to understand science. I remember several people who had to walk with crutches their entire lives after contracting polio. Others died.

patphil

(8,770 posts)
29. I got vaccinated for polio in grade school in the 1950's when the vaccine first came out.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:18 PM
Yesterday

It was hailed as a Godsend, given the devastation caused by the disease.
All the kids in the school were lined up and marched through the lines to the people administrating the vaccine.
Parents would have to opt out to keep their child from getting the shot; very few did. I was too young to comprehend the immensity of this point in time, but I remember the news stories of dead and crippled kids, and how the vaccine literally saved lives.
Now the shitheads who run the FDA want to bring us back to the bad old days.
Their decision borders on criminal. A lot of kids will die if parents don't see that they get these shots.

It's too late to say your sorry when you're standing at your child's grave site.

Note: It was a Catholic grade school in upstate New York, and they were strong advocates of getting the kids vaccinated for childhood diseases.

dedl67

(189 posts)
34. Jonas Salk was a hero - one of many great persons who graduated City College of New York
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:33 PM
Yesterday

lonely bird

(2,799 posts)
36. That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have heard...
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:48 PM
Yesterday

Except for whatever falls out of the dumpster Trump calls his brain.

Alcoholism is a disease. A vaccine FUCKING PREVENTS OR MINIMIZES DISEASE.

You don’t take it…live with the consequences. Go gargle invermectin and bleach.

Fucking idiots.

not fooled

(6,616 posts)
41. "A diseased population is easier to control."
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 09:46 PM
Yesterday

--Ruth Ben-Ghiat, scholar of authoritarian regimes.

Posted for the second time today, and several times earlier. Every time the regime destroys more public health measures, they strengthen the case that among other aims, they want to weaken and sicken the masses in a quest for more power over them.

Disgusting and too bad so many 'Muricans can't understand or recognize what is happening and why.

mountain grammy

(28,756 posts)
42. Republicans want to save the "unborn "
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 10:14 PM
Yesterday

The born? Not so much. They really have little respect for life.

Greybnk48

(10,681 posts)
46. The kid across the street from me, a very close friend, had those big clunky Forrest Gump braces on his legs
Sat Jan 24, 2026, 01:15 AM
22 hrs ago

from polio. He had it before he moved into our neighborhood (from NYC). He struggled to do anything physical, it really sucked. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not to mention the whole lifetime iron lung nightmare, which has already been discussed.

Zelda_Orchid

(45 posts)
47. The rich & well-connected get them.
Sat Jan 24, 2026, 06:40 AM
16 hrs ago

The poor & politically ... unreliable ... can go fuck themselves.

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