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muriel_volestrangler

(104,093 posts)
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 09:17 AM Jun 19

Israel vows to hold Iran's leader accountable for "war crimes" after Iranian missile slams into hospital

Source: CBS

An Iranian missile slammed into the main hospital in southern Israel early Thursday, wounding several people, causing significant damage, and drawing a swift vow from Israeli leaders of intensified attacks on Iran's military and "government targets." Israel's defense chief accused Iran of war crimes and said its Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei would be held accountable.

Israeli media aired video of blown-out windows and heavy black smoke pouring from upper floors of the Soroka Medical Center, but a spokesperson for the facility said there were no serious injuries to patients or staff, as the part of the hospital that was hit directly had already been evacuated.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-war-hospital-iranian-missile-soroka/



About 40 lighter injuries, though:

"We have 40 injured people from people who were in the hospital at the time. The vast majority of these staff and patients are likely wounded from broken glass, falling ceilings, and other effects."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c994v4gm9jmt?post=asset%3A4add165c-8a47-4ce8-8ca1-1f37a798bf5e#post

The Iranians have claimed they had a military target:

According to the IRNA news agency, the attack was aimed at an Israel Defence Forces (IDF) “command and intelligence (IDF C4i) headquarters” and an army intelligence camp in the Gav-Yam Technology Park.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c994v4gm9jmt?post=asset%3A65c21d6f-513f-48d6-becf-9c7645d2b454#post

But looking at a map, the Park and the medical centre are over a kilometre apart.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gav-Yam+Negev+Advanced+Technologies+Park,+Be'er+Sheva,+Israel/@31.2643331,34.8039223,3035m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x150266fe950bcb77:0x5286988915632aa1!8m2!3d31.264334!4d34.814222!16s%2Fg%2F1ymshf7d8?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

If that's their accuracy, then really they were aiming at the city. The defence minister is claiming Khamenei targeted the hospital, and wants to assassinate him:

Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

Speaking to journalists in Holon, near Tel Aviv, Israel Katz reportedly said: "Khamenei openly declares that he wants Israel destroyed, he personally gives the order to fire on hospitals.

"He considers the destruction of the state of Israel to be a goal...Such a man can no longer be allowed to exist."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c994v4gm9jmt?post=asset%3A062e5230-74c3-419e-ad84-58b1b0b29871#post
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Israel vows to hold Iran's leader accountable for "war crimes" after Iranian missile slams into hospital (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 19 OP
Suddenly bombing hospitals is a "war crime" in Israel. sop Jun 19 #1
Indescriminate bombing of hospitals and apartment buildings is only a crime if the other guys do it. patphil Jun 19 #24
I know. Irony is dead. ananda Jun 19 #27
OMFG Chasstev365 Jun 19 #2
Seems that's claudette Jun 19 #16
They do come out and say it. Very openly vanessa_ca Jun 19 #39
Oh, that is rich! travelingthrulife Jun 19 #3
All of them? nt intrepidity Jun 19 #34
Who ordered Gaza hospitals hit? pwb Jun 19 #4
Post removed Post removed Jun 19 #5
Why Bibi! That is mighty rich of you.... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 19 #6
So Trumpy! Doesn't stillcool Jun 19 #7
I'm shocked that a post was hidden in this thread. Shocked! nt LexVegas Jun 19 #8
The hypocrisy is staggering even for Netanyahu JT45242 Jun 19 #9
Oh so he does believe in war crimes mountain grammy Jun 19 #10
The hospital is within Iran's ballistic missile accuracy rate. AloeVera Jun 19 #11
I am afraid the devil would reject the above advocacy as an insult to his intelligence Beastly Boy Jun 19 #29
Not so fast buddy. Eko Jun 19 #41
Huh? Beastly Boy Jun 19 #43
Wiki over Harvard and CNN? Eko Jun 19 #44
That's exactly what I expected. A deflection. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #45
Of course you wont engage. You cant. Eko Jun 19 #46
I can. I can also bang my head against the wall. Doesn't mean that I ever will. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #47
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Prairie Gates Jun 19 #12
How many hospitals did Israel bomb in Gaza? Autumn Jun 19 #13
My thoughts exactly! RainCaster Jun 19 #23
LOL claudette Jun 19 #14
I don't think it's good practice to post stories from "The Onion" on the Mike 03 Jun 19 #15
You mean this is real??? AloeVera Jun 19 #19
put irans leaders on trial. right next to israels moonshinegnomie Jun 19 #17
That's rich coming from Israel. They have bombed every hospital in Gaza, often multiple times. Lonestarblue Jun 19 #18
Oh, That's Rich! Deep State Witch Jun 19 #20
Says the war criminals of Israel who bombed numerous hospitals in Gaza IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 19 #21
But nitwit didn't target hospitals Clouds Passing Jun 19 #22
Attacking hospitals is a war crime unless they are being used for military purpose other than sarisataka Jun 19 #25
Yeah Hieronymus Phact Jun 19 #28
However, Katz admits to targeting civilian "symbols of the regime" muriel_volestrangler Jun 19 #31
Just the pretext Katz et al needed to begin the wide-scale destruction... AloeVera Jun 19 #36
Pot calling kettle black. Wow. No self introspection. jrthin Jun 19 #26
After bombing Gaza hospitals and their patients and doctors to dust Israel has the nerve to accuse Iran of "war Martin68 Jun 19 #30
Welp ILikePie92 Jun 19 #32
That's rich. choie Jun 19 #33
Ummmm..... Gaza? harun Jun 19 #35
Will he and Netanyahu be tried on the same day? nt Jit423 Jun 19 #37
It's as valid a military target as the Ukrainian hospitals that get hit by Iranian missiles. Crunchy Frog Jun 19 #38
That's some profound irony, there. Or shall we just say "hypocrisy?" n/t malthaussen Jun 19 #40
Really hard to know whether to laugh or cry over that statement. Scalded Nun Jun 19 #42

patphil

(8,085 posts)
24. Indescriminate bombing of hospitals and apartment buildings is only a crime if the other guys do it.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jun 19

There are literally hundreds of piles of rubble in Gaza to attest to Israel's war crimes.
These missile attacks between Israel and Iran are just the latest violent eruption of the 75+ year blood feud between Arabs and Jews.
As long as both sides believe a military solution is the way to peace, we will have war in the middle east.

vanessa_ca

(298 posts)
39. They do come out and say it. Very openly
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:18 PM
Jun 19

down to cartoons depicting Palestinians as cockroaches being stomped on by their oh so moral army.
Example

Following the discovery last week of a ‘Palestinians as cockroaches’ Twitter post published by pro-Israel figure Arsen Ostrovsky, a featured speaker at this week’s ‘Antisemitism: Face It, Fight It’ conference in Ottawa, Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East (CJPME) is demanding that Canadian members of Parliament boycott the conference.



The cartoon depicts a blue boot with ‘IDF’ (Israeli Defence Forces) written on it crushing a Palestinian cockroach caricature, identified by the red, white, green and black colours of the Palestinian flag. Ostrovky prefaces the tweet with a single word, ‘This!’ The post has since been restricted for possibly violating Twitter’s rules on violent speech, and a community note has been attached to the post noting that the use of insect imagery is “textbook Nazi propaganda.”

“This disgusting ‘people as vermin’ rhetoric played a huge role in the propagation of antisemitism historically in Europe, and also in the lead-up to genocides elsewhere,” said Thomas Woodley, president of CJPME “CJPME points out the obvious and scandalous contradiction in Ostrovsky being invited as a speaker to an ‘antisemitism’ conference, when he is an overtly racist figure himself, engaging in just the type of dehumanization that Jews have faced historically. “The hypocrisy of CIJA in inviting this individual as a speaker at an anti-racism conference is mind-boggling, and is actually dangerous in the context of Israel’s use of mass violence and collective punishment directly targeting the civilian population of Gaza,” asserted Woodley.

https://www.cjpme.org/pr_2023_10_16


Israeli doctor compared killing Palestinians in Gaza to 'eliminating cockroaches'
Reservist surgeon described taking part in military operations as a 'public health' matter in now deleted post on social media


An Israeli doctor serving as an army reservist has compared killing people in Gaza to “eliminating cockroaches” in a post on social media.

Writing on X on Sunday, Sabo Amos, who works as a surgeon in Israel’s public healthcare system, said he had volunteered to take part in “eliminations” after his battalion had killed “dozens of terrorists” the previous day.

Amos said he had requested to take part in operations “within the framework of preventative medicine”, but said another doctor had suggested his involvement was a matter of “public health”.

“On second thought, he’s right. After all, we’re talking about eliminating cockroaches and other loathsome insects,” Amos wrote in the now deleted post.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-doctor-compared-killing-palestinians-gaza-eliminating-cockroaches

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

JT45242

(3,481 posts)
9. The hypocrisy is staggering even for Netanyahu
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 09:37 AM
Jun 19

Seriously... Netanyahu and his cronies have no sense of shame.

AloeVera

(3,243 posts)
11. The hospital is within Iran's ballistic missile accuracy rate.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 09:44 AM
Jun 19

About 1.2 kms for the "circular error probable".

https://apnews.com/article/iran-ballistic-missiles-israel-retaliation-gaza-war-takeaways-9b577a3c3da0ee970f01b5e4f2aa20dc

The inaccuracy of their missiles is what allows Israel to claim Iran is targeting civilians.

Playing devil's advocate, why does Israel embed military objects in civilian infrastructure? The IDF headquarters is located in the middle of Tel Aviv! Do people living around it realize they are human shields?? The batteries and launching pads for the Iron Dome are sprinkled throughout cities and towns. Next to highrises and who knows, maybe even hospitals! As some here have said (incorrectly) that makes them "legitimate targets" yessirree!

The irony is rich, the hypocrisy pathetic.

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
29. I am afraid the devil would reject the above advocacy as an insult to his intelligence
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:02 PM
Jun 19

Last edited Thu Jun 19, 2025, 06:39 PM - Edit history (3)

As per the AP analysis, the weapon chosen by Iran lacks accuracy to target anything other than objects larger than 1.2 km. That, by the nature of the chosen weapon, would exclude the IDF headquarters as their intended target. The target, at best, is a neighborhood in the city, by the virtue of imprecision of the weapon chosen by Iran, and Iran's intent, if any, to hit the military asset in question only manifested itself in having their fingers crossed. Of course Iran was targeting civilians!

Responding on behalf of the offended devil, the obvious elementary flaw of your argument lies in complete misrepresentation of the concept of human shields. Civilian presence outside of the grounds of an intended target, let alone their presence in the city where a military target is located, does not make those civilians human shields. Since Iran only hit civilians way outside the grounds of their purported target, and since Iran's weapon of choice precluded targeting any specific military asset, it is preposterous to suggest that there was presence of human shields in the IDF headquarters, just as it is preposterous to suggest that civilians outside of the military asset in question were in any way used as human shields to protect the target from attack.

I will leave the "the IDF headquarters is located in the middle of Tel Aviv! Do people living around it realize they are human shields??" without further comment. Its ludicrous premise is self-evident.

On a different note: I recall you declaring, on numerous occasions, your passionate advocacy for civilian victims of war everywhere, regardless of their circumstances. Your conspicuous absence of empathy for Israeli civilians, and your awkward excuses for Iran's attacks on Israeli civilians are contrary to your previously avowed moral principles.

What made you change your mind?

Eko

(9,441 posts)
41. Not so fast buddy.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 04:17 PM
Jun 19
Press Release: New study shows Israel air-dropped 2000lb bombs within lethal and damage ranges of hospitals in Gaza

“This study supports emerging evidence that the Israeli military has disregarded the protection of hospitals, mandated by international humanitarian law, through the systematic pattern of dropping massive M-84 bombs close enough to hospitals to knowingly cause significant damage, injury, and death. The damage to hospitals due to these and other munitions will have immediate and long-term effects on the health of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip,” said Yara M. Asi, PhD, Assistant Professor at the University of Central Florida, Visiting Scientist at the FXB Center, and one of the authors of the study.

Using publicly available data from CNN and The New York Times satellite imagery investigations, the authors created a map of the Gaza Strip with the locations of craters formed by air-dropped 2000 lb bombs. They then overlaid this map with geospatial data from the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA) and Open Street Map to measure the distances of these bomb craters to hospitals in the Gaza Strip. The 2000 lb bombs, made by the American arms manufacturer General Dynamic and Ordinance Tactical System, have a blast radius that can kill people 360 m away from the point of detonation and can cause severe injury and damage building infrastructure 800 m away. Data analysis showed at least one bomb crater within 800 m of 83% percent of the 36 hospitals in the Gaza Strip, and nine of those hospitals had 2000 lb bomb craters within 360 m. Most hospitals in Gaza had several bomb craters within dangerous proximity.

https://fxb.harvard.edu/2024/10/10/new-study-shows-israel-air-dropped-2000lb-bombs-within-lethal-and-damage-ranges-of-hospitals-in-gaza/


‘Not seen since Vietnam’: Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows

The 2,000-pound bomb’s large 365-meter (about 1,198-ft) lethal fragmentation radius is evident in many videos reviewed by CNN, where several buildings are seen to have been flattened in a single strike.

On October 24, Israel struck a location less than 100 meters (about 328 ft) away from Wafa Hospital. In an interview with al-Jazeera almost immediately after the strike, the hospital’s director, Fouad Najm, said the attack had “terrified the patients and medics.” The hospital has since gone out of service because of sustained nearby strikes and fuel outages.

“Clearly the hospital is within the lethal fragmentation range of a 2,000-pound bomb. It would likely have caused damage,” said PAX’s Garlasco.

https://www.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs

No one, including Israel and Iran should be bombing civilian hospitals, schools or causing extreme civilian causalities.

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
43. Huh?
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 06:33 PM
Jun 19

Are you responding to my post or something entirely unrelated to it?

I will not even mention how flawed the methodology of the study you are citing is (a cursory reference to Wikipedia will immediately produce specs for the aforementioned munition inconsistent with those in the study). Garbage in, garbage out.

No, I will just chuckle at the complete absence of relevance of your reply to my post.

Have fun.

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
45. That's exactly what I expected. A deflection.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 07:25 PM
Jun 19

Hence my refusal to engage.

Harvard and CNN have nothing to do with what I was talking about. Just because they can't get their facts straight is besides the point.

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
47. I can. I can also bang my head against the wall. Doesn't mean that I ever will.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 08:07 PM
Jun 19

Likewise, I will not engage in a patently ridiculous pissing contest just because I can.

Good bye.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
14. LOL
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 10:01 AM
Jun 19

As if Israel never bombed hospitals in Gaza. And now they call it a war crime because it’s done against them? Is the hypocrisy not evident to them? OMG

Mike 03

(18,542 posts)
15. I don't think it's good practice to post stories from "The Onion" on the
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 10:02 AM
Jun 19

Latest Breaking News forum.

Lonestarblue

(12,802 posts)
18. That's rich coming from Israel. They have bombed every hospital in Gaza, often multiple times.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 10:06 AM
Jun 19

They have also prevented medical supplies reaching Gaza and killed medical staff clearly identified as such. Based on Netanyahu’s warped policies, Israel had every right to prevent another country from creating nuclear weapons, which means that every country in the Middle East could have rightfully bombed Israel years ago to prevent them from developing nuclear weapons. Ok for me, not for thee.

Deep State Witch

(11,996 posts)
20. Oh, That's Rich!
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 10:19 AM
Jun 19

Okay - I have no love for the Iranian regime and am glad that someone is finally taking them to task - even if it is Bibi and TACO. But really? Crying war crimes after all that they did in Gaza? Pot, kettle, war criminals.

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
21. Says the war criminals of Israel who bombed numerous hospitals in Gaza
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jun 19

That’s typical

Israel BOMBINGS of numerous hospitals and heath clinics in Gaza,
Injuries in the 1,000s , and killing 100s and 100s and 100s in Gaza

sarisataka

(21,800 posts)
25. Attacking hospitals is a war crime unless they are being used for military purpose other than
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 11:10 AM
Jun 19

medical care. I have not heard Iran claim the IDF was using the hospital.

Hieronymus Phact

(626 posts)
28. Yeah
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 11:53 AM
Jun 19

Maybe if Israel was using the hospital as human shields for their military command centers there would be more equivalency.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,093 posts)
31. However, Katz admits to targeting civilian "symbols of the regime"
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:29 PM
Jun 19
A tornado is striking Tehran, Defense Minister Israel Katz said Wednesday, referring to the ongoing airstrikes and Mossad operations throughout Iran since last Friday.

“Symbols of the regime are being blown up and collapsing, [including] the official state broadcaster and soon other such targets,” he said.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-858123

He's on thin ice when he throws around accusations of "war crimes".

AloeVera

(3,243 posts)
36. Just the pretext Katz et al needed to begin the wide-scale destruction...
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:03 PM
Jun 19

That has been planned for years. Regime-change and impoverishment of Iran as a country so the vultures of Western capitalism can swoop in and take its resources...and nuclear-armed Israel can have hegemony over the ME to pursue its Greater Israel project "in peace". That's how Israel defines "peace".

Iran would have had to be suicidal or really dumb to target that hospital. It didn't.



Martin68

(26,146 posts)
30. After bombing Gaza hospitals and their patients and doctors to dust Israel has the nerve to accuse Iran of "war
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:05 PM
Jun 19

crimes." Unbelievable.

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