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BumRushDaShow

(153,280 posts)
Mon May 12, 2025, 06:37 PM May 12

'Procedurally erroneous': Trump admin claims court order to reveal 'plan' for mass firings could cause 'embarrassment'

Source: Law & Crime

May 12th, 2025, 11:26 am


The Trump administration is asking a federal judge in California to reconsider an order that would force it to disclose its plan for mass firings across multiple agencies as part of the president’s effort to gut the federal workforce, claiming that such “Agency Reductions in Force and Reorganization Plans” (ARRPs) contain privileged information that could, among other things, cause “embarrassment” or “annoyance” for the government.

The underlying litigation challenges President Donald Trump‘s Feb. 11, 2025, executive order: “Implementing The President’s ‘Department Of Government Efficiency’ Workforce Optimization Initiative.” The order purports to commence a “critical transformation of the Federal bureaucracy” by “eliminating waste, bloat, and insularity.” Under the plan, administrative agency heads would be required to “initiate large-scale reductions in force” (RIFs), or massive layoffs, in service of the goal to restructure the government.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston, a Bill Clinton appointee, granted a request from a coalition of labor unions, nonprofit groups, and municipalities to block the planned firings via a temporary retraining order. The judge also issued a “Disclosure Order” directing that ARRPs submitted to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) be provided to the court by Tuesday. The administration on Sunday sought to have Illston put a hold on the disclosure order prior to the impending deadline.

“The Court should either grant Defendants a protective order from the obligation to disclose the ARRPs or reconsider the Disclosure Order because the ARRPs are privileged pre-decisional and deliberative agency planning documents,” the 14-page filing states.

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/procedurally-erroneous-trump-admin-claims-court-order-to-reveal-plan-for-mass-firings-could-cause-embarrassment/



The Executive Branch can't unilaterally do "RIFs" (Reductions in Force). These are authorized by Congress and plans are done in consultation with Congress. But they did a Fire! Aim. Ready.

From their earlier article (where this portion of the ruling was repeated in this OP's article) - https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/no-statutory-authority-whatsoever-judge-rubbishes-doge-in-case-over-trumps-efforts-to-mass-fire-federal-workers-issues-temporary-restraining-order/

(snip)

One of the key problems, Illston observed, was tasking three agencies and offices – the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) – with most of the heavy lifting. In the litigation, the plaintiffs single out specific memos by OPM and OMB and the widely-publicized – and often self-trumpeted – actions undertaken by DOGE as “unconstitutional and unlawful orders” as part of what they referred to as Trump’s “radical transformation.”

The court finds that neither OPM nor OMB have any statutory authority to terminate employees – aside from their own internal employees – “or to order other agencies to downsize” or to restructure other agencies. And, as far as the Elon Musk-led agency is concerned, the judge is withering: “As plaintiffs rightly note, DOGE ‘has no statutory authority at all.'”

“In sum, no statute gives OPM, OMB, or DOGE the authority to direct other federal agencies to engage in large-scale terminations, restructuring, or elimination of itself,” Illston writes. “Such action is far outside the bounds of any authority that Congress vested in OPM or OMB, and, as noted, DOGE has no statutory authority whatsoever.”

(snip)


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Silent Type

(9,616 posts)
1. He'd need a plan to do that. trump's plan was fire a bunch of people, then reinstate them if forced to
Mon May 12, 2025, 06:41 PM
May 12

by courts or agencies saying we need them back.

Karasu

(1,221 posts)
2. Because there was no fucking plan. It's beyond obvious considering how sloppy and slapdash these ridiculous unnecessary
Mon May 12, 2025, 06:41 PM
May 12

Last edited Mon May 12, 2025, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)

firings (which no one but lunatics asked for) have been. These fascist dumbfucks have even tried (and failed) to take back more than a few of them after the damage was done.

And that's exactly why this court order needs to go through. It's absolutely imperative to expose that truth.

Tarzanrock

(904 posts)
3. This is a bullshit specious legal argument which is totally devoid of merit, to wit:
Mon May 12, 2025, 07:03 PM
May 12

"... claiming that such “Agency Reductions in Force and Reorganization Plans” (ARRPs) contain privileged information that could, among other things, cause “embarrassment” or “annoyance” for the government."
1.) There is no such "privilege;" 2.) "embarrassment" is no privilege; 3.) "annoyance" for the government is not privileged.
The Turd only employs the world's shittiest lawyers who make only the most meritless of specious arguments. This Judge should "sanction" every lawyer who "signed" these pleadings and made an appearance in the courtroom on this matter the maximum monetary amount for sanctions allowable under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

slightlv

(5,570 posts)
7. I love the quote:
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:17 PM
May 12
cause “embarrassment” or “annoyance” for the government.
It's like so fucking what? People have had to live with embarrassment and annoyance every single day since he decided to descent from on high on that stupid escalator. We don't have a long-entrenched cultural insistence on "saving face" like the Asians do. It's not written anywhere, nor is it part of our history or cultural obligations. trump is a narcissist who doesn't want to be placed in the situation. Tough... as my mom always told me: You made your bed, now lay in it.

rubbersole

(9,860 posts)
6. "Embarrassment" is reserved for decent people that maybe made a mistake
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:21 PM
May 12

"Anti-American treason" is for this administration.

13. Embarrassment requires the capability for shame ...
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:11 AM
May 14

... something the Old Man has shown countless times he lacks.

Which is why he will instruct his people to ignore the ruling. What's the judge gonna do? Sue him?

Hieronymus Phact

(603 posts)
8. One of the worst parts is it has to be up to them:
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:49 PM
May 12

"a request from a coalition of labor unions, nonprofit groups, and municipalities..."
Is the Democratic party completely helpless here?

BumRushDaShow

(153,280 posts)
11. "Is the Democratic party completely helpless here?"
Tue May 13, 2025, 06:59 AM
May 13

The courts have been strict about "standing" and "proof" that it would "cause harm to Congress itself" (or if you get specific with the "party" and DNC). That is why their court options have been limited after past attempts were denied or thrown out.

HOWEVER note that at least one of the groups mentioned - "municipalities" - include locales headed up by "Democrats". I.e., from a filing - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25938651-afge-v-trump-order/ (pg. 9)

IV.Plaintiffs

The union plaintiffs in this case consist of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) and four of its locals (Local 1122, Local 1236, Local 2110, and Local 3172), the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and one of its locals (Local 1000). Eleven membership-based non-profit organizations have joined the unions as co-plaintiffs: Alliance for Retired Americans, American Geophysical Union, American Public Health Association, Center for Taxpayer Rights, Coalition to Protect America’s National Parks, Common Defense Civic Engagement, Main Street Alliance, Natural Resources Defense Council, Northeast Organic Farming Association, VoteVets Action Fund, and Western Watersheds Project. Six local governments have also joined the suit: Santa Clara County, CA; King County, WA; Baltimore, MD; Harris County, TX; Chicago, IL; and San Francisco, CA.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
9. I can't find where it says the part about the supposed embarrassment in the text here
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:36 AM
May 13

I would agree with what some commented here, it was largely intentional and part of their overall plan to cause chaos and destruction to the government.

pat_k

(11,224 posts)
12. 47: It's my government. Period.
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:18 PM
May 13

Congress has no place. Judiciary has no place. The people have no say. The people don't even have a right to know a damn thing about it.

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