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Polybius

(19,031 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:22 PM Dec 17

Archivist says Equal Rights Amendment can't be certified as Democrats push Biden to recognize it

Source: ABC News

WASHINGTON -- In a rare joint statement, the archivist and deputy archivist of the United States said Tuesday that the 1970s-era Equal Rights Amendment cannot be certified without further action by Congress or the courts, as Democrats press President Joe Biden to act unilaterally on its ratification before he leaves office next month.

The five-decade push to amend the Constitution to prohibit discrimination based on sex remains stalled. Congress sent the amendment, which guarantees men and women equal rights under the law, to the states in 1972 and gave states seven years to ratify it, later extending the deadline to 1982. But the amendment wasn’t ratified by the required three-quarters of states before the deadline.

Four years ago, however, Virginia lawmakers voted to ratify the amendment, becoming the 38th and final state needed — albeit nearly four decades after the congressionally mandated deadline for ratification.

More than 120 House Democrats, led by Reps. Cori Bush and Ayanna Pressley, called on Biden on Sunday to direct the archivist to certify and publish the amendment despite the missed deadline.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/archivist-equal-rights-amendment-certified-democrats-push-biden-116876049

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Archivist says Equal Rights Amendment can't be certified as Democrats push Biden to recognize it (Original Post) Polybius Dec 17 OP
I just downloaded the constitution, rogerashton Dec 17 #1
It is in case law, not the constitution. OneCrazyDiamond Dec 17 #5
As the SCOTUS 6 have shown, precedent means nothing now. nt SunSeeker Dec 17 #6
Do you really think we should be listening to them? OneCrazyDiamond Dec 17 #7
Of course, the Court needs expanding to 13 seats. SunSeeker Dec 17 #9
But when will that be? Polybius Dec 17 #10
Of course. In the meantime, we fight. We do what we can. SunSeeker Dec 17 #12
I blame Manchin OneCrazyDiamond Dec 17 #14
I blame the states that waited until after the deadline to ratify it n/t MichMan Dec 17 #16
I blame them for not expanding the court. OneCrazyDiamond Dec 17 #19
Can do it now manicdem Dec 17 #23
Several states also rescinded Polybius Dec 17 #8
Certify it and let the courts sort it Prairie Gates Dec 17 #2
Absofuckingloutely!!! SheltieLover Dec 17 #3
Oh, heck, why not! It at least might expend some of their energy there, instead of on something bad for a whole... electric_blue68 Dec 17 #25
People: the DEPUTY Archivist agreed. maxsolomon Dec 17 #4
You mean Colleen Shogan the White Washer? atreides1 Dec 17 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author coffeenap Dec 17 #13
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Constitution does not provide for there to be a time limit set, correct? cstanleytech Dec 17 #15
It neither prohibits nor requires a time limit Shrek Dec 17 #17
The amendment ratified by Congress had a time deadline MichMan Dec 17 #20
I thought the controlling factor was what the Constitution said though? cstanleytech Dec 17 #21
But it doesn't say anything at all about time limits for ratification Shrek Dec 17 #24
You are indeed incorrect FBaggins Dec 18 #27
Please, just sign it Mr. President!!! littlemissmartypants Dec 17 #18
Does anyone think that if this was something Trump wanted, that he would not just over ride and order the archivist mackdaddy Dec 17 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #29
Simple, get a new archivist. usonian Dec 17 #26
He does not have the power FBaggins Dec 18 #28
This whole thing is just Exhibit A of how silly politics has gotten. Everyone conceded for years that the ERA died in Midwestern Democrat Dec 18 #30

rogerashton

(3,951 posts)
1. I just downloaded the constitution,
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:28 PM
Dec 17

and as I read it, it does not allow the Congress to set a deadline.

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,054 posts)
7. Do you really think we should be listening to them?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:15 PM
Dec 17

I don't.

We should have expanded the court.

SunSeeker

(54,436 posts)
9. Of course, the Court needs expanding to 13 seats.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:25 PM
Dec 17

Congress set it at 9 judges when there were only 9 federal circuit courts. Now there are 13 federal circuit courts.

But only Congress can set the number of SCOTUS seats, via legislation. We didn’t have the votes to do it when we had the majority. I think after the disastrous decisions of SCOTUS, we might have the votes next time we regain the majority in Congress and win the White House.

Polybius

(19,031 posts)
10. But when will that be?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:34 PM
Dec 17

Earliest it can happen is January 20th, 2029. And that's only if everything goes perfect and we hold a trifeca.

SunSeeker

(54,436 posts)
12. Of course. In the meantime, we fight. We do what we can.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:12 PM
Dec 17

We don't fold and give up. That won't get us the White House and Congress back.

manicdem

(515 posts)
23. Can do it now
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:37 PM
Dec 17

We still have time to expand the court if we rush it through now. We can pass the law to expand it to 13, then let the Republicans fill it.

electric_blue68

(19,778 posts)
25. Oh, heck, why not! It at least might expend some of their energy there, instead of on something bad for a whole...
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:22 PM
Dec 17

bunch of vunerable people.

atreides1

(16,495 posts)
11. You mean Colleen Shogan the White Washer?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:43 PM
Dec 17
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/america-s-top-archivist-accused-of-whitewashing-national-museum/ar-AA1tlv2R

"Shogan has reportedly ordered the removal of references to Martin Luther King Jr., the incarceration of Japanese Americans during World War II, the government’s displacement of Indigenous tribes, union organizers, birth control, and more, the Wall Street Journal reports."

"The specific changes to new exhibits include the replacement of a photo of King with one of Richard Nixon meeting Elvis Presley."

"Shogan “told employees to remove Dorothea Lange’s photos of Japanese-American incarceration camps from a planned exhibit because the images were too negative and controversial, according to documents and current and former employees” and her aides “also asked staff to eliminate references about the wartime incarceration from some educational material.”

Response to Polybius (Original post)

cstanleytech

(27,319 posts)
15. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Constitution does not provide for there to be a time limit set, correct?
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 04:03 PM
Dec 17

It doesn't even provide for a State to take back a vote that was already recorded as in approval, correct?
If that's true then it should be certified

Shrek

(4,224 posts)
17. It neither prohibits nor requires a time limit
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 04:30 PM
Dec 17

Which means the text of the amendment is the controlling factor.

MichMan

(14,035 posts)
20. The amendment ratified by Congress had a time deadline
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:05 PM
Dec 17

Every amendment passed since Prohibition also had a deadline attached.

From what I understand, the deadline was omitted in the version ratified by the states.

If true, that would seem to indicate that the states didn't ratify the same amendment as Congress. That could mean that the entire amendment is therefore invalid.

Shrek

(4,224 posts)
24. But it doesn't say anything at all about time limits for ratification
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:42 PM
Dec 17

Which means there's nothing to prevent a legislator from including one in the text.

Several other amendments were similarly crafted.

FBaggins

(27,935 posts)
27. You are indeed incorrect
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 03:28 AM
Dec 18

The constitution mentions a deadline several times.

Don’t forget that, once ratified, amendments are part of the constitution.

mackdaddy

(1,659 posts)
22. Does anyone think that if this was something Trump wanted, that he would not just over ride and order the archivist
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:17 PM
Dec 17

to do whatever he wanted. Trump overrode the denial of Jarred having access to secret materials.

This is a big enough thing that I agree, Biden should just order it done, and let the courts fight it out.

Response to mackdaddy (Reply #22)

FBaggins

(27,935 posts)
28. He does not have the power
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 03:35 AM
Dec 18

The archivist is a senate-confirmable position. It’s far too late to replace her.

Not would doing so have any more effect on the actual constitution than if she woke up one day and added an amendment that said artificial turf may no longer be used in football.

30. This whole thing is just Exhibit A of how silly politics has gotten. Everyone conceded for years that the ERA died in
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:12 AM
Dec 18

1982 but we're now in an era where cheap stunts like this designed to get applause from the base (and nothing more) is the norm. Of course, the accumulative effect of stuff like this winds up disillusioning young voters (once they realize they've been bamboozled with empty promises), but I guess that politics circa 2024.

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