Trump re-election sparks interest in South Korea's '4B' movement among American women

[SunSeeker]

Source: NBC News

The election of Donald Trump as the next U.S. president has triggered a surge of social media posts and internet search interest in South Korea’s fringe feminist "4B" movement, which calls on women to refrain from dating, having sex with men, having kids and marrying men.

Across TikTok, dozens of American women disappointed by Tuesday’s election results have posted videos stating their intention to participate in their own version of the 4B trend. Over 200,000 people looked up the “4B movement” on Google on Wednesday, making it one of the top trending topics on the online search engine. 

The 4B trend, which began in South Korea 2018 in the wake of the #MeToo movement, has become a way for some women to protest misogyny, gender discrimination and violence against women, according to Meera Choi, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of sociology at Yale University who studies heterosexual refusal among South Korean women.

“Women started thinking about how the government and the state and the men are failing them,” said Choi, and they subsequently began “not rewarding men by not participating in heterosexual relationships.”



Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/4b-movement-south-korea-inspires-american-women-trump-reelection-rcna179143

[msongs]

1. like the ancient greek women thing with war. nt

[DinahMoeHum]

3. Lysistrata

n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Yup.

Although implementing a Lysistrata strategy would likely trigger the delicate incel snowflakes into a wave of mass shootings.

[LymphocyteLover]

20. that was my thought. They did that in the first trump admin

[SunSeeker]

4. Lysistrata!

The eponymous heroine leads the women of Greece in a campaign against the Peloponnesian War. Their strategy: withholding sex from their husbands. Women from many different city-states in Greece swear an oath to support each other and participate in the collective action.

https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/eascfa/dinner_party/heritage_floor/lysistrata#:~:text=The%20eponymous%20heroine%20leads%20the,participate%20in%20the%20collective%20action.

[CousinIT]

2. LADIES. DO IT! Men don't deserve your love, bodies, companionship

Until and unless THEY RETURN YOUR FULL RIGHTS.

Get your financial house in order, ensure financial independence, forego marriage, sex, dating, childbearing (unless you are already HAPPILY married) until your rights are restored!

[SCantiGOP]

7. Well, thanks

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for letting me keep my wife and kids.

[AZLD4Candidate]

17. Should I inform my wife she has no reason to show any affection or love to me because other men are assholes?

I thought we here at DU were against collective guilt.

[CousinIT]

23. For those happily married and who are insulted by what I posted. Read it.

It says (unless you are HAPPILY married)

[BurnDoubt]

6. My thought on the end of Roe...

I thought a fair rejoinder would be: "Go Fuck Yourself".

[valleyrogue]

8. Great news!!! I have been living it more or less for 40 years.

Jessica Valenti wrote a great piece about this tonight on her Substack:

https://jessica.substack.com/p/the-fury-gap

[SunSeeker]

13. Thanks for the link!

Great piece. This is so on point:

And that’s the thing. Women aren’t opting out of relationships with men simply because they’ve gained political power, financial independence and the ability to create full lives on their own. It’s men’s bad behavior driving them away.

[Ocelot II]

26. I love this piece!

We old childless cat ladies have lived this shit since forever, but young women reasonably hoped it would finally change. But the men (and some women) betrayed them. I would say fuck them, but the better answer is, don't fuck them.

I am reminded of an old poster from the women's movement of the '60s and '70s: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

[Demobrat]

9. It's really the best way for a woman to keep herself safe.

Build a career. Earn her own money. Don’t have kids. Don’t ever live with a man.
It’s hard when you’re young and your hormones are making your decisions for you, but the alternative is dependence and domestic slavery.

Good on the women who recognize this. ,

[valleyrogue]

10. Having a lower standard of living without the second income is way

preferable than living under a system where women feel they have to trade their bodies for material support (marriage). I saw it years ago, still in my teens, and I was way ahead of my time. I am glad young women are seeing what I saw so long ago. It helped my sisters were way older than me, and for years they lived conventional lives.

[Demobrat]

11. It was worth it to me.

It’s the story of my life. I have had my own place since I was 18. Tried a female roommate at first, but no.
Have lived alone ever since. Never saw any reason to change that. Of course I never wanted kids, so it was a no brainer for me.

[SunSeeker]

12. Indeed. If I could only have my 20s back! I sure would do things differently!!

If I knew then what I know now, I would NEVER have gotten married.

I probably still would have had a kid, but I would have done it alone, like a friend of mine did through artificial insemination. I ended up doing all the child rearing work alone anyway while married--while also picking up after my husband AND working full time!

[Demobrat]

14. Of course you did. That's how it works.

He gets somebody to do what mommy did, you get a second job.

[moniss]

15. I've suggested this before and I even went further

after the repeal of Roe. My standpoint then and still is that because pregnancy can be life-threatening if a woman is forced into sex or an attempt is made to force her into sex then that is potentially placing her life at risk. Therefore the use of deadly force should be permitted as a valid claim of self defense in court.

Now I know that might put a crimp in the rosters of some Texas high school and college football teams but it also might make some men and boys think twice before not taking "no" for an answer.

[Ocelot II]

27. They want to outlaw not just abortion, but birth control and divorce.

Women would be effectively enslaved, no better off than in the middle ages.

[moniss]

29. Yes in the '50's women were trapped to a very real

extent. A man could pretend to be a good guy and convince a woman to marry him and then the real guy would come out. The domestic violence etc. The cops at the time would usually just try to convince her to "not set him off" etc. People watch "Happy Days" and they think that was the '50's. The reality for those of us who lived it was far from that. I've written about it all many times before but suffice it to say I saw plenty of women in grocery stores with their sunglasses on and you could see marks on their face and neck. Hands all bruised up. Nowhere to turn and even "going home to mother" usually meant the cops showing up and trying to convince you to "go back and make it work". There was little to no financial aid for women with kids so they were stuck with "going back" as the most workable option. Knowing what would happen. Again and again. I saw women so brutalized that their hands were shaking constantly and they almost never smiled. And worse cases than that. I saw women with their arms in a sling or with a bad limp. Seen way more than I could stomach and way too much to ever forget.

[Puppyjive]

16. I've always said

Do not pro create with republicans.

[SunSeeker]

18. Republicans are selfish clueless lovers anyway. nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. More childless cat ladies. It seems a good response to tRump's win on the backs of the incels. . . . . nt

[dreamland]

21. I applaud these women but ..

The repercussions will be more rapes committed, more adultery, and more ways for men to justify their atrocities towards women. These MAGA have no respect for women and that's why they voted for him.

[SergeStorms]

24. Don't forget Hitler's "Joy Divisions."

Hair Shitler wants nazi amerikkka, so he'd have no reservations about herding women into camps for the enjoyment of his loyal brown-shirts.

Drumpf Amerikkka is going to be a nightmare for many people. 😕

[chouchou]

22. I'm lucky to have a left-wing intelligent male for a parner but HEY..I'm all for "Setting the scales"

I'll back you up all the way!

[ananda]

25. Shades of Lysistrata

I like it!

[LQ_Dem]

28. White women

The majority of white women voted for Trump. When you have all R's, all evangelicals, most all Catholics, and the majority of white women it's hard to lose.