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BumRushDaShow

(137,794 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2024, 03:49 PM Sunday

Peace plan should not be imposed on Ukraine from the outside, US's Sullivan says

Source: Politico (EU)

September 15, 2024 9:59 am CET


KYIV — The Ukrainian government has to lead the way regarding how the war in Ukraine will end, U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told a conference in the country's capital on Saturday.

“I think any peace plan that attends to essentially impose peace on the people of Ukraine that runs across fundamental principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity, democracy and freedom is not just or sustainable,” Sullivan said via video link during the annual Yalta European Strategy (YES) conference in Kyiv.

Various initiatives have been put forward to end the Ukraine conflict since Russian President Vladmir Putin launched his all-out invasion in 2022, including self-declared “peace missions” by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. But only the peace formula proposed by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy includes the return of all Ukrainian territories seized by Russia.

China and Brazil proposed a cease-fire and freezing of the frontline, but they did not even ask Kyiv for its opinion before pushing the proposal around the world; though they consulted the Kremlin. Putin wants Kyiv to give Moscow four Ukrainian regions it does not even fully control and to demilitarize its army while giving no guarantees that aggression will not happen again in the future.

Read more: https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-peace-plan-russia-war-united-states-jake-sullivan-donald-trump/

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Peace plan should not be imposed on Ukraine from the outside, US's Sullivan says (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
K&R SupportSanity Sunday #1
Agree totally! ananda Sunday #2
The peace plan is Russia withdraws from Ukraine and all those in Russia involved in war crimes be held accountable. cstanleytech Sunday #3
That's not reality. maxsolomon Monday #7
Sounds like . . . Richard D Sunday #4
Ukraine should just tell Putin that they want the US peace plan 4lbs Sunday #5
Putin's plan for peace is simple ... LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sunday #6

cstanleytech

(26,805 posts)
3. The peace plan is Russia withdraws from Ukraine and all those in Russia involved in war crimes be held accountable.
Sun Sep 15, 2024, 04:21 PM
Sunday

maxsolomon

(34,506 posts)
7. That's not reality.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 12:41 PM
Monday

Vance's formulation of a "Peace" Plan is not reality either.

Ukraine must be allowed alliances that put it out of Russia's control: EU membership, preferably NATO, too.

4lbs

(7,196 posts)
5. Ukraine should just tell Putin that they want the US peace plan
Sun Sep 15, 2024, 05:53 PM
Sunday

US = Unconditional Surrender.

So, Russia gives up and goes home with their tails between their legs. Putin gets deposed.

It worked well in Afghanistan (not so much for Russia), so follow that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan

Pursuant to the Geneva Accords of 14 April 1988, the Soviet Union conducted a total military withdrawal from Afghanistan between 15 May 1988 and 15 February 1989. Headed by the Soviet military officer Boris Gromov, the retreat of the 40th Army into the Union Republics of Central Asia formally brought the Soviet–Afghan War to a close after nearly a decade of fighting. It marked a significant development in the Afghan conflict, having served as the precursor event to the First Afghan Civil War.



The USSR was kaput, non-existent, dissolved a few years later.





6. Putin's plan for peace is simple ...
Sun Sep 15, 2024, 06:50 PM
Sunday

All men, women, and children Ukrainians are killed. No more sound = peace. Problem solved.

The Putin wing of the Congressional GOP would be onboard 100% with this plan. They'd also want Russia reimbursed for all the weapons and ammunition they'd "lost" in Ukraine.

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