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BumRushDaShow

(137,794 posts)
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:23 PM Friday

Psychiatrist Says Trump Should Be Examined for Cognitive Illness After Disjointed Debate

Source: Daily Beast

Published Sep. 13, 2024 5:29AM EDT


A clinical psychiatrist at a leading medical school says if a patient presented with the rambling incoherence that former president Donald Trump showed in his widely panned debate performance earlier this week he would refer them for a “rigorous neuropsychiatric evaluation.”

Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry and director of Weill Cornell Medical College’s psychopharmacology clinic, wrote in The Atlantic Thursday that he watched Trump debate Vice President Kamala Harris “with particular attention to candidates’ vocabulary, verbal and logical coherence, and ability to adapt to new topics—all signs of a healthy brain.”

The Republican nominee’s brain did not win a vote of confidence from the professor. “Donald Trump’s expressions of those tendencies were alarming,” he wrote. “He displayed some striking, if familiar, patterns that are commonly seen among people in cognitive decline.” As a key example, Friedman cited Trump’s answer—if it can be called that—to a question from moderator David Muir about if he has regrets over his behavior during the January 6 riots in 2021.

“I have said ‘blood bash—bath.’ It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business,” said Trump, making virtually no sense. “That was where bloodbath was. Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked. Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Jesse—all of these people, they covered it. If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect. It was debunked in almost every newspaper.” Friedman noted that, while it’s normal for politicians to evade questions, Trump’s response went “beyond evasion” and essentially amounted to completely irrelevant babbling, an IRL Old Man Yells at Cloud meme.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/psychiatrist-says-trump-should-be-examined-for-cognitive-illness-after-disjointed-debate?ref=wrap



Link to "The Atlantic" article - Trump’s Repetitive Speech Is a Bad Sign

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Psychiatrist Says Trump Should Be Examined for Cognitive Illness After Disjointed Debate (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Friday OP
That same thought did occur to me... GainesT1958 Friday #1
At this point, diagnosis needs no medical professionals! It's all too obvious to us laymen. Dock_Yard Friday #2
If his kids cared about him Inkey Friday #3
They all profit through him and are his enablers. pandr32 Friday #6
My dad suffered from dementia bif Friday #4
They tried this in 2017 - nobody listened SupportSanity Friday #5
Yeah BaronChocula Friday #9
Right, nobody listened. elleng Friday #14
Right! RobinA Monday #28
Good info ck4829 Monday #25
NPR had a piece about this today PSPS Friday #7
I'm glad he mentioned lack of fitness BaronChocula Friday #10
But from your linked interview BumRushDaShow Friday #12
It's obvious he still doesn't get that China doesn't pay us tariff money, importers pay the tariff and pass the cost... brush Friday #16
Yes, importers pass the tax on to us, slightlv Friday #22
John McWhorter is a joy to listen to. 3catwoman3 Friday #23
Chump's behavior was no different from previous debates FakeNoose Friday #8
He can't change - he doesn't have the ability to change. It's always the same. No matter what. SupportSanity Friday #21
Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry should shut his pie hole until November 6th. Ray Bruns Friday #11
' completely irrelevant babbling, ' elleng Friday #13
Not news. We've been saying this for years now at DU. It's obvious the MFer is in steep decline. brush Friday #15
I mean, like DUH!!!! LymphocyteLover Friday #17
Trump's brain is circling the drain. patphil Friday #18
I sure hope you're right. And we all get to see it. Demobrat Friday #20
Many said that before the debate and have for some time. republianmushroom Friday #19
K&R ck4829 Monday #24
Reporters should ask Trump if he willl bequeath his brain to science for research bucolic_frolic Monday #26
Unfortunately we've read this scenario over and over since the orange wart was first elected. Firestorm49 Monday #27

GainesT1958

(4,525 posts)
1. That same thought did occur to me...
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:28 PM
Friday

His actions as much as his words really did look like someone who is ready for long-term care...🤔

Inkey

(290 posts)
3. If his kids cared about him
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:34 PM
Friday

They will have the holiday season to talk his ego down.
He doesn't know when to stop being him anymore.
The anger , rhetoric , and enablers are not making
him look any better for posterity .

bif

(23,572 posts)
4. My dad suffered from dementia
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:37 PM
Friday

Trump really does resemble the way my dad acted and spoke. It was painful to witness, believe me.

SupportSanity

(730 posts)
5. They tried this in 2017 - nobody listened
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:59 PM
Friday

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dangerous_Case_of_Donald_Trump

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump is a 2017 book edited by Bandy X. Lee, a forensic psychiatrist, containing essays from 27 psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals describing the "clear and present danger" that US President Donald Trump's mental health poses to the "nation and individual well being".[1] A second edition updated and expanded the book with additional essays.[2] Lee maintains that the book remains strictly a public service, and all royalties were donated to the public good to remove any conflict of interest.[3]

Synopsis
The authors argue that Trump's mental health affects the mental health of the people of the United States and that he places the country at grave risk of involving it in a war and of undermining democracy itself due to his dangerous pathology.[4]

Consequently, the authors claim that Trump's presidency represents an emergency which not only allows but requires psychiatrists in the United States to raise alarms. While it has been repeatedly claimed that they have broken the American Psychiatric Association's Goldwater rule – which states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give professional opinions about public figures without examining them in person[5] – the authors maintain that pointing out danger and calling for an evaluation is different from diagnosis. They have criticized the American Psychiatric Association for changing professional norms and standards, stating that it is dangerous to turn reasonable ethical guidelines into a gag rule under political pressure.[6][7]

BaronChocula

(2,142 posts)
9. Yeah
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 01:54 PM
Friday

It's not like his affliction of verbal mishmash just suddenly appeared the other night. This is just like republicans who are just finding out now how dangerous this rapist is. One question: Where TF have you been?

RobinA

(10,063 posts)
28. Right!
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:40 AM
Monday

I don't get this sudden attention to Trumps cognitive state. He's been disjointed, tangential, and associating loosely since Day 1. If he's any worse than he was in 2016 it's probably stress has he becomes more and more over his head. Now he could be looking at prison, plus he's been shot at couple of times. Nothing new here.

PSPS

(14,016 posts)
7. NPR had a piece about this today
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 01:27 PM
Friday

In an interview on NPR Morning Edition this morning, Linguist John McWhorter spoke with Steve Inskeep about Donald Trump's "weaving" style of speech.

Here's an excerpt:

TRUMP: But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that because - look, child care is child care - couldn't, you know, it's something - you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to, but they'll get used to it very quickly. And it's not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care.

INSKEEP: What did you make of that particular passage?

MCWHORTER: One, it displays that he's inside of his own head, where we have to work to understand why, suddenly, he's talking about tariffs. But then once you get that what he's saying is that we'll get so much money from tariffs that it'll take care of child care, there is a great deal of evidence that we would not make that much money from tariffs and that it wouldn't be a good thing for the individual taxpayer. And then, two, what you can see is that he doesn't know anything about the child care issue, and it's rather predictable that that sort of thing wouldn't interest him. But that passage alone is beautiful evidence, like a framed picture, of why he is unfit for office.


The entire piece is here:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5107714/breaking-down-former-president-donald-trumps-rambling-linguistic-style

BaronChocula

(2,142 posts)
10. I'm glad he mentioned lack of fitness
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 01:56 PM
Friday

But I wondered if as a linguist he was qualified to also say as he did, he didn't believe it was cognitive decline.

Upon edit, here's what McWhorter said.

"I don't think it's dementia. I think that it's a more elemental problem with his nature, which perhaps has gotten worse as he's gotten older, but I think it's less a matter of his aging than the fact that he knows he can get away with it."

I do agree with that latter part.

BumRushDaShow

(137,794 posts)
12. But from your linked interview
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 02:01 PM
Friday
But then once you get that what he's saying is that we'll get so much money from tariffs that it'll take care of child care


Even that kind of response is "sane-washing" the gobbledy gook that came out of his mouth as an answer to a simple question about childcare.

brush

(56,318 posts)
16. It's obvious he still doesn't get that China doesn't pay us tariff money, importers pay the tariff and pass the cost...
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 02:17 PM
Friday

Last edited Sat Sep 14, 2024, 02:38 AM - Edit history (1)

on to consumers...thus inflation creeps up.

Someone must've said this to him but his brain apparently can't comprehend it, or doesn't want to as he thinks it makes him look like he's gaming China to voters (not of course).

slightlv

(3,722 posts)
22. Yes, importers pass the tax on to us,
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 09:29 PM
Friday

as well as the "straight off the top" cut that T will demand.

FakeNoose

(34,738 posts)
8. Chump's behavior was no different from previous debates
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 01:51 PM
Friday

This time he had a worthy opponent who took no shit and threw it all back in his face.

But in every debate I've seen, Chump is screamy and angry, turning every question into lies and accusations against the opponent. That's how he avoids answering questions, it's all deflection.

He was that way against Hillary, against Joe Biden, and any journalists he doesn't like. I didn't see or hear anything new on Tuesday night.

Ray Bruns

(4,400 posts)
11. Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry should shut his pie hole until November 6th.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 01:59 PM
Friday

Donald.

Don’t listen to these people. You won that debate bigly. You just keep talking about Haitians eating pets and electric boats. You’re the man!

brush

(56,318 posts)
15. Not news. We've been saying this for years now at DU. It's obvious the MFer is in steep decline.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 02:09 PM
Friday

And maga t rethugs keep supporting him.

patphil

(6,750 posts)
18. Trump's brain is circling the drain.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 03:07 PM
Friday

It's an irreversible brain/drain that's slowly gathering speed and promises to leave him in a care facility for dementia.
You're going to see this accelerate as he gets more and more afraid of losing.
Panic is tightening it's grip on him.
They're going to try and hold him together for the next 7 weeks. I think it's going to be a race to the finish line. Will he collapse before November 5th?
I predict he will lose, and the implosion will be sudden and severe.

Demobrat

(9,606 posts)
20. I sure hope you're right. And we all get to see it.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 03:26 PM
Friday

We probably won’t, though. After the election there will be no more rallies or public appearances, and once the shouting is over there will be no more reason for anyone to pay any attention to him.

His court cases will be covered when something happens, but we won’t be seeing him. Thank goodness.

My prediction is that Trump loses and by February 1st he’s tossed into the trash bin of history where he belongs.

bucolic_frolic

(45,797 posts)
26. Reporters should ask Trump if he willl bequeath his brain to science for research
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 08:11 AM
Monday

I mean to say, the greatest brain ever, amiright?

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