Several killed in Germany knife attack

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

A number of people have been killed and injured in a suspected knife attack in the western German city of Solingen, police say.

They say the attack happened during a festival in the city centre on Friday evening. The attacker is believed to be still at large.

Bild website says a man randomly stabbed passers-by. A manhunt is now under way, with police helicopters seen hovering above the city.
...
Philipp Müller, one of the concert co-organisers, said the emergency crews were fighting for the lives of nine people, the Solinger Tageblatt newspaper reports.

Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd73292p1vpo

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The Guardian currently says 3 dead, 4 seriously injured, and it was a "diversity festival":

Three killed and four seriously injured at diversity festival in Germany

Three people have been killed and four are seriously wounded, German police have said, after an attack at a festival in the city of Solingen in the country’s west.
...
The local Solinger Tageblatt newspaper reported that authorities called on people to leave downtown Solingen and that one of the festival organisers, Philipp Müller, said on a stage that emergency workers were fighting for the lives of nine people.
...
Mayor Tim-Oliver Kurzbach said the city was “in shock, horror and great sadness”.

“We all wanted to celebrate our city’s anniversary together and now we have to mourn the deaths and injuries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/23/people-killed-and-injured-at-festival-in-solingen-in-germany-report

[Mysterian]

1. If it's Islamic....

the AfD will capitalize.

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. Islamic State claims responsibility for fatal Solingen stabbings in Germany

The Islamic State group claimed responsibility on Saturday for a knife attack in the western German city of Solingen that killed three people and injured eight others.

The militant group said in a statement on its Telegram account that the attack was carried out by one of its members “in revenge for Muslims in Palestine and everywhere”.

It did not immediately provide any evidence for its assertion and it was not clear how close any relationship between the attacker and Islamic State was.
...
At a press briefing, police said they had detained a 15-year-old at his parents’ home in the early hours of Saturday in connection with the attack in Solingen, west Germany. But they added that he is not believed to be the prime suspect, who is still unknown.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/24/police-appeal-for-tips-from-public-to-help-track-solingen-stabber-germany

[DFW]

10. Count on it

Because it was

[Polybius]

67. And they just won big

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143300015

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. One person detained over knife attack - police

German police say they have detained one person in connection to the stabbing attack in Solingen.

The arrest was made "as part of the search", according to police in Dusseldorf, and they are verifying whether there is a connection to the incident.

"Simultaneously, a number of police measures are being carried out, including searches at various locations," police say in a statement.

They also say the hunt for other potential perpetrators and an investigation into the motive behind the attack are ongoing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2505v8gwe9t?post=asset%3Aa4d1779f-1765-4737-9362-e2c623da3e2e#post

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. After a press conference:

Here’s everything we know so far about last night’s knife attack in Solingen, following this afternoon’s police press conference and confirmation that a 15-year-old is in custody in relation to the attack.

A 15-year-old has been arrested in relation to an attack that killed three people and injured eight at a diversity festival in the western German city of Solingen, police said.

Terrorism has not been ruled out as a motive. Prosecutor Markus Caspers said that police are looking at terror, saying that there is no other obvious motive and that the attacker appears to be unknown to the victims.

It is not known if the 15-year-old was the attacker. German media have reported that the teenager is suspected of speaking to the attacker prior to the incident.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/aug/24/germany-festival-attack-solingen-dead-injured-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66c9f0a38f0858e1c8699e38#block-66c9f0a38f0858e1c8699e38

[SunSeeker]

4. As horrible as it was, it would have been much worse if that psychopath had sprayed the festival with an assault rifle.

Like what happened in Las Vegas in 2017, when one lone psychopath killed 60 people and wounded over 400.

[EllieBC]

5. I'm sure that's a comfort to their families.

This is a distinctly American thing to try to minimize other peoples tragedies and re-centre it on America.

Not everything is about Americans and American culture. It’s just not.

[SunSeeker]

8. It was a commentary about America. This is a discussion board about American politics.

Of course everything is not about America. And it was not stated to comfort the grieving families, who you and I know don't read this discussion board. It was to point out the difference between a festival mass killing in the US vs Europe.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Most of the people here are Americans, so we think like Americans.

People from other countries may have no idea what it is like to know that each
day when you go to school, church, the grocery you may be murdered in cold
blood with military grade weapons.

People in other countries have leaders who protect their citizens.
In the US we do not have such unified leadership.

Americans have severe PTSD. And it is triggered when we read about
mass deaths here and around the world. Lecturing us will never get rid
of American trauma.

[leftyladyfrommo]

38. There are a lot of countries besides us that

are having big problems with all kinds of immigrant issues. We have too many people on this planet.

[Irish_Dem]

41. Putin is causing some of the immigrant problems.

He starts or funds conflict in various parts of the world to create refugee crises which floods
Europe and the US with immigrants.

Putin then has his puppets run on anti-immigrant issues.
This is how Putin gets his puppets into the US and European governments.

It has been a very successful strategy.

Taking over the western democracies has been like taking candy from a baby.

[Irish_Dem]

42. Populations in many countries are declining.

Fertility is damaged and people do not feel secure enough to have offspring.

[sarisataka]

39. Wait, I thought violent crime was plummeting under Biden

but really it is not safe to go to the grocery store?

I get so confused with the narrative changing on nearly a daily basis.

[Elessar Zappa]

52. Violent crime has plummeted and

in fact, we’re safer than we’ve been in six decades. That said, our murder rate is still way too high and mass shootings occur with depressing regularity.

[EllieBC]

40. And Americans have very little idea of what

it’s like in other countries but that has literally never stopped anyone here from sharing their opinions on other countries.

Back to the topic at hand, it just sounds dismissive of the loss these families have suffered. “Could have been worse” is not the right take.

[Irish_Dem]

43. I just got back from a trip to Canada.

I certainly heard more than enough opinions about the US and America.

Which is fine, they have a right to their opinions just like we do.

I believe those outside the US do not understand how traumatized Americans are about mass killings.

It is a triggering event for us.

Living in a safe country protects others from understanding what it is like here in the US.
Children at a young age know by heart their school safety drills.
It is a tragedy.

We are not talking about the families in other countries.
We are discussing American responses to mass killings.

[róisín_dubh]

65. I live in the UK now...

But every time I come back to the US, this is a palpable fear of mine. Especially as I tend to have to be in very Trump-y areas of the country, where guns, hate and rage are all around. I’m constantly on edge until I board my flight home.
I hate it.

[sarisataka]

7. I am not going to be the one

To try and tell grieving families and wounded victims how good they had it, "only" being stabbed.

[SunSeeker]

9. Good, because I'm not either. My post is meant for the gun nuts who read this board, unlike those families.

Gun nuts think this story is somehow proof we'll still have the same mass killings even if we ban assault rifles, and are pushing it all over the internet.

My point is that assault rifles make horrors like this many, many times worse.

[EX500rider]

12. Unless they rent or steal a U-Haul?

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 434 others. The driver was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian living in France. The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which he was shot and killed by police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

[SunSeeker]

13. A UHaul is not a mass murderer's weapon of choice. An AR is.

You can't drive a UHaul into a movie theater, a school or a church.

Please take your NRA talking points elsewhere.

[EX500rider]

14. Well thank god it is not the weapon of choice

You don't need a movie theater, a school or a church. Just a crowd of people like during parades or festivals.

Las Vegas 2017, 58 killed
Nice, France 2016, 86 dead

[SunSeeker]

16. The Las Vegas shooter would not have been able to do what he did with a UHaul.

Most large festivals have entry blockades, at least here in the US. That terrorist found a unique opportunity in France to mow down people. That doesn't mean ARs are not a problem.

The fact that we can get slaughtered by the dozens inside what are supposed to be safe places, namely a school, movie theater or a church, is why ARs have changed life in this country. And why we need to ban them, like we did before.

Interesting how the gun folks find me in a subthread of a days old OP that only has 8 recs.

[EX500rider]

17. "Most large festivals have entry blockades" Most have chain link fencing which a truck at 60+ would plow thru

And parades by nature happen on streets

[SunSeeker]

18. OMG, you're still beating that dead horse. ARs cost Americans their freedom.

When I was in high school, ARs were banned. Nobody worried about getting shot in school. We had an open campus. My high school was only 4 blocks from the beach, some kids even went surfing during lunch. But all that changed with gun mass shootings. Now the place looks like a prison, with a closed campus and kids have to enter through a foreboding door with bullet proof glass.

It is insane. And for what? So ammosexuals can cuddle up to their precious?

So how did you find me here, seriously? Does a bat signal go up that someone is criticizing ARs?

[EX500rider]

19. When was this magical time when semi-auto rifles were banned?

If you mean the toothless "Assault Weapon Ban" of 1994 to 2004 is did no such thing.

The ban applied only to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment.

In May 2012, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence said that "the inclusion in the list of features that were purely cosmetic in nature created a loophole that allowed manufacturers to successfully circumvent the law by making minor modifications to the weapons they already produced.

Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, the definition of "semi-automatic assault weapon" (commonly shortened to assault weapon) included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and has two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash hider or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher

Change one of those and gun still for sale, it was security theater IMO

A 2014 study found no impacts on homicide rates with an assault weapon ban. A 2014 book published by Oxford University Press noted that "There is no compelling evidence that [the ban] saved lives," but added that "a more stringent or longer-lasting ban might well have been more effective."

[SunSeeker]

20. A Northwestern study showed the AWB reduced mass shootings.

https://news.wttw.com/2021/03/31/northwestern-study-says-1994-2004-federal-assault-weapons-ban-worked

So how did you find me here? Was it a bat signal? Or are you guys on a group text, or what?

[EX500rider]

21. How did I find you here? It's a discussion board I discussed things

If you notice I have over 10,000 posts in a decade here so I'm not after you get over yourself

[SunSeeker]

22. Oh come on.

I didn't say you were after me. I'm sure you don't give 2 shits about me. No, I'm talking about how gun folks like you swarm out of nowhere whenever anyone here calls for an AWB--even when such a pro-AWB post is buried deep within a subthread. It's very weird, especially on a Democratic site.

And yes I know you have been here a long time, as have I (I've been posting since March of 2011), which is why I have noticed this pattern.

Surely you don't look at DU all day, reading every post on DU. I imagine you have a life, like the rest of us. How did you land on a AWB post buried in a days-old 8-rec OP about a knife attack in Europe?

[EX500rider]

24. I scan the titles and open the threads I am interested in like everyone else

[SunSeeker]

25. In subthreads on days-old low-rec OPs? Stop gaslighting me. nt

[EX500rider]

27. I don't pay attention to Rec's, I scan the titles and read the ones I'm interested in

I also never go past the first page so it had to have been on the first page when I responded

[SunSeeker]

28. A low rec OP would be long gone from the DU home page days after it was posted.

You would have to to dig through days of posts in the particular forum it was posted in to find it. No way would someone do that. A much more likely scenario is that someone alerted you to its presence.

[EX500rider]

29. Paranoia will destroy ya

It is as i said

[SunSeeker]

30. It's not paranoia. It's not about me. It's about what the gun folks do on DU.

And gaslighting does not work on me.

[EX500rider]

31. Well thanks for basically calling me a liar 3 times in a row, pleasant talking to you.

And this thread went up Sat in LBN which does not move as fast as General Discussion.

[oldsoftie]

51. But unlike the Cult, we CAN have varying views here (for the most part anyway)

God help you if you question the "wrong" thing!

[SunSeeker]

53. Sure, we can have varying opinions, but not "alternative facts." nt

[SunSeeker]

34. Um no. Did you join DU just to post misinformation?

[yagotme]

45. Your study is flawed.

“The big thing about my study that is really different from every other study is I find that if you prevent the access to assault weapons, high capacity magazines, and semi-automatic or rapid-fire guns, it prevents the actual incident itself.

Access was NOT prevented, therefore, their conclusions are inaccurate. "Rapid fire" weapons were still being manufactured and sold, just without certain cosmetic attachments. That is NOT "preventing access".

[SunSeeker]

46. Your defense of ARs is flawed.

No law is perfect, but the AWB did bring down mass shooting deaths. I was alive during the ban. We were not awash in ARs like we are now. Kids were not being turned to hamburger in schools.

I am so sick of reading bullshit NRA talking points here.

Please get another hobby.

[yagotme]

47. Sorry, you're not my boss.

the AWB did bring down mass shooting deaths.

No, not really. If you look at a longer timeline, deaths were already dropping PRIOR to the ban. This has been argued so many times, I'm getting tired of it.

I was alive during the ban.

I was too. And???

We were not awash in ARs like we are now.

Because, like a lot of things, when you "ban" it, it makes people want it more. AR's were still being made and sold, so everyone wanted one before they were REALLY banned, causing an unnatural upward spike in the manufacturing/selling arena. Therefore, a whole lot more of them were made/sold, resulting in us being "awash" in them. Oddly, considering the total number of so-called "assault weapons" that are out there, the actual number of them being used in killings is far lower than one would expect, per the FBI, (not the NRA).

[SunSeeker]

49. Obviously nothing will make you stop lovin' on ARs.

You may be "tired" of arguing about it, but the AWB worked. What caused the explosion of AR sales was the lifting of of the AWB, simultaneously with the passage in 2005 of immunity for gun manufacturers (the PLCAA, what the NRA touts as its greatest achievement), giving them free reign to advertise these weapons of war to the insecure incels out there who want to be Rambo. Shit like this, with the rather sickening coincidence of a reference to an "Adam" in the ad:

https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-guns-are-advertised-in-america-2012-12

[yagotme]

58. Obviously, nothing is going to stop you from beating a dead horse.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
Per graph at link, deaths were already in decline BEFORE the AWB was signed. There was a slight uptick after it expired, but that uptick was already starting DURING the ban, making your claim the AWB was effective, wrong. How do you view the overall decrease from '08 to '14, AFTER the ban? Impossible, right, because the ban expired? Well, it did decrease.

What caused the explosion of AR sales was the lifting of of the AWB,

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388010/share-ar-15-united-states-firearm-production-historical/

From '96 to '99, the market share of AR-15's went from 0.8% to 3%. On a "supposedly" BANNED item. Yes, after the ban, the sales went up abruptly more, but as per my prior statements, the AR was still selling, and for a lot of the ban, was selling MORE.

[SunSeeker]

59. "Yes, after the ban, the sales went up abruptly more"---It's obviously not a dead horse.

From your own Statistica link:

AR-15 explosion

The rise in AR-15 manufacturing came with the expiration of the 10 year Federal Assault Weapons Ban (1994-2004). 

...
Role in mass shootings

The rise in AR-15 ownership coincided with a rising number of mass shootings in the U.S., and AR-15s were used in many of the deadliest incidents.

[yagotme]

62. The author should have said "The greatest rise".

The graph shows a rise, during the ban, as I have pointed out. I don't know how you missed the graph, it was LITERALLY just above the partial paragraph you quoted.

[SunSeeker]

60. Your Pew Research link does NOT show a decrease. It shows just the opposite.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/


There was no "overall decrease" from 2008 to 2014. Sure, the numbers vary from year to year (statistics!), but the "overall" trend is clearly increasing since 2005.

[yagotme]

63. A few paragraphs from the link:

Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders that occur nationwide each year.

Number of incidents have gone up, but general gun deaths still outnumber mass shooting deaths.

The same definitional issue that makes it challenging to calculate mass shooting fatalities comes into play when trying to determine the frequency of U.S. mass shootings over time. The unpredictability of these incidents also complicates matters: As Rand Corp. noted in a research brief, “Chance variability in the annual number of mass shooting incidents makes it challenging to discern a clear trend, and trend estimates will be sensitive to outliers and to the time frame chosen for analysis.”

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

Handguns STILL are in the lead for gun deaths. Rifles, including "assault weapons", but not all, are 3%. Suicides account for 54% in 2021, so I guess that horse is getting deader and deader.

There was no "overall decrease" from 2008 to 2014. Sure, the numbers vary from year to year (statistics!), but the "overall" trend is clearly increasing since 2005.

My bad on this, I was referring to overall deaths, not mass killings. Overall deaths still declined during the times I stated, though. An increase in mass shootings didn't seem to kick the chart up, though.

[SunSeeker]

64. The fact that so many die from handguns is reason for better gun safety laws for all guns.

It is not an argument against an AWB.

There is no legitimate reason for a civilian to own an assault rifle.

[yagotme]

66. So, what IS an "assault rifle"?

Are you sure the items you want to ban are defined as such, by US law? I get the impression that they are not.

[SunSeeker]

69. Ah, so predictable. Like when right wingers ask "What is a woman?" nt

[yagotme]

70. If you're calling for a ban on a specific item,

you'd better be well prepared to define what that item is. A lot of anti-gunners were mad about the 1994 AWB, as the companies kept making AR's (and others listed), just changed the cosmetic features, per the law. They thought that "AW's" would actually be banned, not just certain cosmetic features. So much for a clear definition, huh?

ETA: Nice deflection from the actual question, BTW. Comparing firearms to women.

[SunSeeker]

71. If the AWB was so useless, the NRA would not have spent millions to defeat it.

While the AWB was in effect, as imperfect as its assault weapon definition was, we did not have the mass shootings we have now. That's what matters to me.

I'm not comparing firearms to women. You did that. I'm comparing right wing talking points. The majority of Americans want to ban assault weapons. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/07/25/poll-majority--support-universal-background-checks-gun-licensing-assault-weapons-ban
https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/voter-support-banning-assault-weapons-gun-control
Calling the majority of Americans "anti-gunners" is a particularly ridiculous right wing talking point.

[yagotme]

72. In case you forgot:

69. Ah, so predictable. Like when right wingers ask "What is a woman?" nt

I'm not comparing firearms to women.

Looks to me like you did. The word "like" is the key word.

[SunSeeker]

73. "Like when right wingers ask..."

"Ask" is the key word here.

As I explicitly said, I'm comparing right wing talking points, i.e. rhetorical ploys. You're the one who immediately went to comparing guns to women. Which is weird.

When you asked me, "What is an assault rifle?" it was not because you didn't know what an assault rifle was. You used the ask to try to derail the point I was making, just like when DNC-crashing right wing gas bag Charlie Kirk thought he was so clever asking Parker Short "What is a woman?" in the middle of Parker ripping him a new one about Trump. As Parker correctly pointed out, that was weird.

https://youtube.com/shorts/WZG2AL9oH5Q?si=Z0_vjnaAwnWMfXhm

[yagotme]

74. No, I asked you what an assault rifle was because the BATFE has a set definition,

and the AR-15 isn't it. If you have a different definition than the ATF, I'm going to have to go with the ATF, as THAT IS THE ACTUAL LAW. An opinion by someone on an anonymous chatboard that has no basis in legal reality has no standing. Therefore, I was curious to see if you knew the actual definition. I know the actual definition, but some of your posts here seem to indicate a lack of knowledge of it on your part. Going back to "specifics" and "technicalities" again, and why they are important.

"Ask" is the key word here.

When one is comparing things, "like" is the key word. As I pointed out.

[SunSeeker]

75. It is defined in the Assault Weapons Ban of 2023 bill's proposed text.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/25/text

Unfortunately, the AWB is indeed not the "ACTUAL LAW." But it should be.

When you state, "an opinion by someone on an anonymous chatboard that has no basis in legal reality," you make clear you're not "curious" about what I have to say, and are just trying to play mansplaining word games with me about what an assault weapon is, in your relentless attempts to defend civilian ownership of these weapons of mass murder.

[yagotme]

76. Word games?

Last edited Wed Sep 11, 2024, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)

you make clear you're not "curious" about what I have to say,

and are just trying to play mansplaining word games with me about what an assault weapon is

I am referring to ACTUAL LAW. A "proposed" 2023 bill definition is NOT law. The current definition still stands, mansplaining or not. You can't charge someone with a crime, if they haven't actually violated the law. That's why we HAVE to have specifics in the law, not just what "it should be".

From your link. Your welcome. (Double spacing removed, for compactness.)

“(40) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
“(A) A semiautomatic rifle that—
“(i) has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; and
“(ii) has any 1 of the following:
“(I) A pistol grip.
“(II) A forward grip.
“(III) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.
“(IV) A grenade launcher.
“(V) A barrel shroud.
“(VI) A threaded barrel.
“(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
“(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm but not convert the semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun.

Most of this was in the '94 ban. Banning cosmetics. The manufacturers got around (A)(ii)(I) by redesigning the stock to more resemble an inline stock. (II) is an accessory add-on, low percentage of overall rifles have this anyway. (III) is an accessory add-on, I'd guess fewer than 40% have this, can be converted back to solid stock. (IV) is a VERY rare accessory add-on. (V) is not very specific, a not-well-defined item. Do the mean a full handguard, or some special accessory add-on? The AR WILL work without an upper handguard. (VI) was banned in the '94 ban. Manufacturers just quit threading barrels. So, very little "new" definitions appear in the '23 model, regardless of what you seem to think. As I said, words mean things, and specifics need to be addressed for a successful law.

ETA: I see we went from "assault rifle" definitions to "assault weapon" definitions. Word games, indeed...

[SunSeeker]

77. While everyone is joyfully discussing Kamala's beatdown of Trump...

...you're still obsessed with defending AR-15s in a 19-day-old 11-rec OP.

[yagotme]

78. You're still obsessed with stating incorrect information, and making replies, so if the shoe fits... nt

[SunSeeker]

79. I haven't stated incorrect information. And you can stop replying any time.

Seriously, go check out the front page on DU. There's good stuff there. This is not the only OP on DU.

[yagotme]

81. "And you can stop replying any time."

I haven't stated incorrect information.

You changed the argument from assault rifles to assault weapons, without differentiating. That alone is an incorrect basis for argument. You, also, can stop replying at any time.

Seriously, go check out the front page on DU.

Went through pages 1 and 2 of GD. Not a whole lot there I disagree with. Rec'ed a few OP's and replies. Anything else you want me to do?

[SunSeeker]

83. So you only post on DU to argue with people. Got it. nt

[yagotme]

84. No, I post supportive messages also.

Why do you keep insisting that I am doing things I do not? Not very civil.
ETA: Out of last 6 posts I have made, here are 4 "neutral" or "supportive" posts. The other 2 were responding to you. An apology would be nice.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19456795
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19456654
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19456618
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19456603

So you only post on DU to argue with people. Got it.

No, you don't "got it". You seem to keep posting here to argue with me, it seems, though. It's a discussion board. If I have a differing opinion on a particular subject, aren't I allowed to present it for discussion? Again, if the shoe fits...

[SunSeeker]

85. Maybe you should apologize to yourself.

I said "While everyone is joyfully discussing Kamala's beatdown of Trump...you're still obsessed with defending AR-15s in a 19-day-old 11-rec OP."

Then you replied,

"Went through pages 1 and 2 of GD. Not a whole lot there I disagree with. Rec'ed a few OP's and replies. Anything else you want me to do?"

So you basically said that unless you "disagree" with a post, you have nothing to say, just "recs." Even on a subject as monumental as Kamala's beatdown of Trump.

[yagotme]

86. That is what I did THAT DAY. Some days I post more, some days I mostly read.

Some days I don't use the site at all. That is MY prerogative, NOT YOURS!!! Telling someone else where, when, and how they should post on an open discussion board isn't very....
civil.

So you basically said

Words. In. My. Mouth.

[SunSeeker]

87. You're rage posting at someone on a 24-day-old 11-rec OP.

And you claim I'm the one who isn't "civil" for literally quoting you.

[yagotme]

88. "Literally quoting" is NOT "basically saying".

Words mean things. And, what exactly does the age of the OP have to do with a subthread discussion?

And you claim I'm the one who isn't "civil" for literally quoting you.

No, I'm questioning your civility for you putting words in my mouth, inferring I don't post to your specifications, etc. On an open discussion board.

[SunSeeker]

89. Yes, words mean things. You said you only gave recs, as you didn't see much you "disagreed" with.

There is no other way to interpret that.

[yagotme]

90. (Sigh) That is what I did THAT DAY. AGAIN.

Other days, I post more. Some days, less. Some days, not on site at all. Like I have already previously posted.

There is no other way to interpret that.

Except, another way. You seem to be bound and determined to get me to do things your way, and only your way. Rather dictatorial, and not a democratic way of thinking at all...

[SunSeeker]

91. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm observing what you're doing.

It's stunning that you're still rage posting in this subthread.

[yagotme]

92. "I'm not telling you what to do."

Please get another hobby.

Post 46

And you can stop replying any time.

Post 79

I have to put things in all caps because it seems that you failed to read it/comprehend it the first time. I'm observing what you're doing, also, and replying. Isn't that the point of a discussion board?

It's stunning that you're still rage posting in this subthread.

What's so stunning, is that if you disagree with me so much, and want me to quit posting, why are you still posting in this days-old, low-rec subthread? A mirror can be a remarkable thing...

[SunSeeker]

93. You can stop replying any time. That's a fact. nt

[yagotme]

94. You are correct. It is a fact.

As can you. Another fact. Boy, we're sure full of facts today...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

80. And 8 years later over 100,000 Americans murdered by firearms.

[EX500rider]

82. Yes, almost all done by pistols which I see no move to ban

[Hassin Bin Sober]

32. .

More Americans Killed by Guns Since 1968 Than in All U.S. Wars — Combined

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/more-americans-killed-guns-1968-all-u-s-wars-combined-n807156

Since 1968, more than 1.5 million Americans have died in gun-related incidents, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[EX500rider]

36. And what % of those were suicides?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. So what? We lead the world in toddlers killing people with guns.

You really want to flex that it was only 500,000 - 700,000 deaths besides the suicides?

[EX500rider]

44. In a 50yr-plus time period in a country with over 300 million people?

How many people died during that same time in auto accidents or heart disease Etc it will dwarf that number
The amount of people who accidentally fell and died will be more

[SunSeeker]

50. Truly sick NRA talking point: "More people died of ___, so guns are not a problem."

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My old laid back beach town open campus high school is now locked up like a prison, and it ain't because of heart disease. Guns have cost us our freedom and our lives.

Also, it is well established that keeping a gun in the home multiplies the risk of suicide.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-ownership-associated-with-much-higher-suicide-risk.html

When the Israeli Defense Forces stopped letting their soldiers take their guns home on weekends, it reduced suicides by 40%. Most of this decrease was due to decrease in suicide using firearms over the weekend. There were no significant changes in rates of suicide during weekdays, when they still had access to their guns. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21034205/



I lost a friend to a suicide by gun. A gun suicide is a gun death.

[crim son]

55. I'd give up.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. I literally felt my stomach lurch at the "how many were suicides" remark.

[SunSeeker]

56. Nah, not giving up.

Fuck the NRA.

[crim son]

57. My sentiment as well. n/t

[moondust]

11. Attacker yelled "Allahu Akbar!"

according to one report I've seen today (BBC? or Sky News?)

[EX500rider]

15. Color me not surprised nt

[oldsoftie]

54. I doubt anyone wouldve taken a bet against that.

Some of the most radical Mullahs have openly given a directive to cause terror.
Europe is regretting the actions over the past several years & they better step up to fix it

[muriel_volestrangler]

61. Since it was a diversity concert, there was a chance it was a homophobic nutter

of any or no religion.

[Polybius]

68. Religion was certainly involved though, since he yelled "Allahu Akbar!"

I'm sure he was homophobic as well though.

[DFW]

23. They have arrested the attacker

He is. Syrian whose request for asylum was turned down, and was allowed to stay in a residence unrestricted while the formalities for his expulsion were being formalized.

[yagotme]

48. On an ironical side note, Solingen was known for a century plus ago, for it's fine blade steel.

The "Buck Knife" of Europe, as it was.

[raccoon]

95. Good thing the Germans don't allow just any idiot to buy an AR-15.