If you sit this one out ( Joy Reid on Platner )

[4bonhoffer]

Jesus h mother f’ing Christ. How did staying at home because Kamala wasn’t perfect enough on every single issue work out for you? These insane a-holes aren’t just destroying our democracy, they’re destroying your children and grandchildren’s planet.
And you’re going to stay home because you didn’t get your preferred candidate? WTF, WTF. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU !!

It’s going to take decades to recover from this current mess and you want to extend it. !?

A Randi Rhodes used to say, you fall in love during the primaries but you fall in line for the general election. It’s gotta be vote blue… I have voted for democratic candidates that weren’t my cup of tea because any democratic candidate is better than any republican. Yes we’ve had really abysmal candidates but if you haven’t learned by now that staying home is a vote for republicans then you’re beyond help. Jesus Christ, if you’re don’t think things can get worse then you’re delusional.

[gab13by13]

1. Kamala Harris won the election

If Democrats don't understand that Magats have to cheat to win then we are in serious trouble.

It's a shame you believe our candidates, plural, were abysmal.

[stopdiggin]

11. Um. NO, she did NOT !

And repeating long since discredited nonsense ...
Serves neither us, nor any reasonable - or democratic - cause.

Wirh respect - please stop.

[gab13by13]

15. Who discredited it?

Answer me just one question, why did Krasnov get vote surges on election day only in the swing states? In no other state did this statistic happen. Experts are out there that show that what happened on election day was an anomaly.

What cause am I hurting, that Republicans cheat to win elections?

Gore won if election law were followed.
Kerry won if votes from Ohio were not routed to a warehouse in Tennessee and flipped.

Republicans cheat to win elections and claims that they don't is the problem.

Do not tell me to stop speaking the truth, you are going to have to kick me off DU, I say what I believe.

Someone just posted an OP written by Miles Taylor who is warning us about how Krasnov plans to steal the next election. Miles Taylor is not a conspiracy theorist, Republicans cheat, alert on me for saying that.

[BComplex]

18. Kamala did win. Trump said they messed with the "computers". Elon Musk said they

did. Elon's son said they did. But democrats don't want to believe it NOR fight it. That's why we are in the mess we are in.

This is one thing people on both sides of the aisle believe in: elections are not secure. So why is it so hard to actually wrap peoples' minds around the fact that not one single computer in the whole world is immune from hacking?

It boggles the mind. Let's insure that the internet access to the tabulators over the internet are sent other ways without the internet as well (double or triple verification), and every vote counting machine's programming is locked down after forensic inspections by both parties have certified each machine.

Lots of work, true, but any computerized machine should be checked before each election anyway, right?

[RandySF]

2. I don't think anyone here is going to sit out

but we do need to think outside ourselves a bit when backing primary candidates in less politically secure locations.

[QueerDuck]

5. Yes. We need a candidate who can win in swing-states and R+5 states...

... the "perfect" candidate who can win an deep blue states is NOT actually perfect if they cannot get enough votes in the Electoral College. It sucks but it's the only system we have for now, and in the foreseeable future.

Let's hope that the fringe folks and other saboteurs who previously advocated for "vote undecided in the primary (and never return for the general)" along with the famous "leave-it-blank" advocates (whom I'll never forgive and never trust) will keep their mouths shut.

[EYESORE 9001]

3. So far today I've seen

a comparison to insanity in the ‘doing the same thing & expecting different results’ meaning of the word - along with admonition to ‘move beyond the rump years’. If I sit out anything, it’ll be DU if this becomes a prevailing narrative.

[gab13by13]

8. It doesn't inspire progressive Democrats does it

if the thought process is that only moderates can win in swing districts?

I tried to argue against putting labels on Democrats but was silenced. How about we nominate the candidate who is the best fighter?

Say what you want about Platner but he created a movement in Maine, people of all stripes including Magats were behind him. I understand he had to drop out but it wasn't because of his platform. Maine better think long and hard about nominating someone who is similar, policy-wise to Platner.

[MIButterfly]

4. Thank you

My sentiments exactly. I always said "primary is for you want; general is for who you got." I like the Randi Rhodes phrase better.

As my mother used to say "the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican" and these days, there's no such thing as a "best" Republican.

Many years ago, we had a Democratic candidate for governor that I absolutely could not stand. I didn't know what to do. I couldn't vote for the Republican and I couldn't not vote, so I ended up casting my ballot for the Democratic Party. I usually like to vote for each Dem individually but that time I voted for the party, which included him, but I didn't have to specify him.

[SocialDemocrat61]

6. Democrats won't be staying home and

don't stay home. It's Green party members and certain independents that stay home to teach the Democratic Party a lesson. But how did that work out in 2000, 04, 10, 16 and 24?

[gab13by13]

9. Gore won, Kerry won

Russia caused Hillary to lose, Kamala won.

I don't blame Democrats, Democrats won all of those elections you cited if Republicans don't cheat, and they are planning on cheating again.

[RetiredParatrooper]

7. Indeed

[FakeNoose]

10. I understand your anger, but we have to find ways to bring in the independent voters

... and also the infrequent and disengaged voters. Most of the Democrats that I know are already engaged and we/they would never think of sitting home on election day. The problem is that the commitment of Democratic Party members isn't enough, there are way too many Americans who are not paying attention. They're not making this election a priority, but it SHOULD BE a priority.

Screaming and ranting isn't a good way to get them engaged. Talking sensibly, and listening to them with sincerity and (sometimes) humor, getting them to see how it affects them, their friends and their loved ones ... this is how we need to engage with the unreliable voters and non-voters.

When people decide to remain independent, they might have a good reason, or they might not. We don't know, but we should respect that, and ask them to consider the importance of these issues. Derision doesn't work, and yet it's almost the only strategy the MAGAs have.

[stopdiggin]

14. When 'people decide to stay home' ..

In a contest pitting Kamala Harris against Trump

It's because they have their heads lidged firmly up their ass! Full stop. The end

[FakeNoose]

16. No ... it happened when some people decided they couldn't vote for a black woman

... despite her obvious qualifications.

Full stop.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

12. Joy has lost her everloving mind. F*ck her nonsensical BS. She can sit her ass at home but me and EVERYONE I know

are VOTING!! Didn't know she had such a bad mental/substance abuse problem because that's the only thing that explains that trash. Is she trying to become ANOTHER Donna Brazile? This black woman WILL be voting for every Progressive Democratic & Progressive Independent who run for everything from sidewalk cleaner to PRESIDENT.

[gab13by13]

17. At least Donna wrote a sort of mea culpa book about what went on.

Democrats should read her book.

[Icanthinkformyself]

13. I lived in New York

and held my nose, voted for Schumer (no real choice), then went home a took a shower every time I had to do it. I trust the DNC only slightly more than the RNC, of which I have none.

[johnnyplankton]

19. Please explain the Joy Reid reference