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CousinIT

(12,784 posts)
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:27 PM 23 hrs ago

"The American experiment is over..."

I'm not saying to give up or stop fighting. That's IMO not an option. But this is where we are ar at the moment.

Sadly, every word is true. The American experiment is over. Killed in the middle of Fifth Avenue and no one in power blinked an eye to stop it.

Mark T. Sneed (@marktsneed.bsky.social) 2026-05-25T07:50:43.169Z
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"The American experiment is over..." (Original Post) CousinIT 23 hrs ago OP
I said the same thing to a friend this morning. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #1
that bluesky post is illiterate defeatist bullshit Blues Heron 23 hrs ago #2
No it's not. It's the bucket of cold water thrown in the faces FoxNewsSucks 23 hrs ago #8
it's still defeatist, especially the idea that Dems are impotent and that we can't win the midterms LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #14
It's not just the media portraying them as such, FoxNewsSucks 15 hrs ago #20
I'm not saying Dems couldn't do more against this administration and suspend some of those norms, however they have LymphocyteLover 5 hrs ago #27
Pretty god damned impotent ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #31
There's a difference between realistic and defeatist. wnylib 16 hrs ago #17
There are way too many people FoxNewsSucks 15 hrs ago #21
And there are quite a few people who are eager to call others Polyannas wnylib 14 hrs ago #22
Who are the pollyannas? MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #19
Revolution Pollyannas: don't threaten us with the Supreme Court or tell us to vote blue no matter who. betsuni 13 hrs ago #24
I really hate this snowybirdie 23 hrs ago #3
Where does it say to give up and walk away? FoxNewsSucks 23 hrs ago #9
That's not what it says. Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #30
I won't be celebrating the 250th Easterncedar 23 hrs ago #4
THIS. n/t CousinIT 23 hrs ago #6
Cheer up and take the opportunity that is offered bucolic_frolic 23 hrs ago #5
This time, put the women in charge. Men just cause problems and BS wars. OMGWTF 23 hrs ago #7
Men have little ground to stand on when claiming that women.. CousinIT 22 hrs ago #12
Is it being challenged? Absolutely! Phoenix61 23 hrs ago #10
I think the US can have a real democracy - but it needs a real constitution first. harumph 23 hrs ago #11
I agree it's over. It will take a hundred years to rebuild, if ever. Our sinkingfeeling 22 hrs ago #13
Fuck the Borg struggle4progress 20 hrs ago #15
Word! yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #16
Happy to report this guy's damning post mortem of America didn't keep him from hyping his podcast MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #18
Somebody posts something on social media ... so who is this guy anyway FakeNoose 14 hrs ago #23
"This is OUR government. Yes, we can change our government whenever we want. Don't ever betsuni 7 hrs ago #25
There is an irrefutable Step One that has to happen this year... BH liberal 4 hrs ago #28
Sneed is a click master. Peddle despair, make a buck. delisen 5 hrs ago #26
Yes. As we have known it, it is indeed over. But there is an opportunity here to build something different. Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #29

Irish_Dem

(82,484 posts)
1. I said the same thing to a friend this morning.
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:29 PM
23 hrs ago

250 years is not a bad run.

But our democracy is over now.
Ironic on the 250th anniversary of our democracy.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,945 posts)
8. No it's not. It's the bucket of cold water thrown in the faces
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:09 PM
23 hrs ago

of all the pollyannas who think 'everything will just be fine, you'll see'.

Realistic points of view are often uncomfortable.

LymphocyteLover

(10,202 posts)
14. it's still defeatist, especially the idea that Dems are impotent and that we can't win the midterms
Mon May 25, 2026, 03:25 PM
21 hrs ago

Dems have no real power, so of course they seem impotent to people not paying attention.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,945 posts)
20. It's not just the media portraying them as such,
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:07 PM
15 hrs ago

here's an example. Blue slips. Dick Durbin honored that policy for republicon senators even after they refused to do the same for Democratic Senators.

Time and time again, we are "nice". That's why it's easy for the media to push that image.

And many see the contrast with times that republicons are in the minority yet manage to successfully obstruct and thwart Democrats anyway.

We need to fight the same way, or we will soon lose it all.

LymphocyteLover

(10,202 posts)
27. I'm not saying Dems couldn't do more against this administration and suspend some of those norms, however they have
Tue May 26, 2026, 07:20 AM
5 hrs ago

done important things in the past year, like shut down the govt over ACA subsidies, shut down DHS over ICE tactics and getting Epstein files released. And they won in the latter two cases.

It's tricky, because Dems need to show they can work within the system to get things done and not be seen as harming the country, while still obstructing the administration.

ABC123Easy

(350 posts)
31. Pretty god damned impotent
Tue May 26, 2026, 09:47 AM
2 hrs ago

....when they're IN power as well. See Merrick Garland. I hope he's happy now and has all of those pearls he clutched safe somehwere.

wnylib

(26,514 posts)
17. There's a difference between realistic and defeatist.
Mon May 25, 2026, 07:40 PM
16 hrs ago

Realism says things are bad, even very bad, but by facing up to each problem with open eyes, we can tackle the problem.

Defeatism says that things are so bad, that we should just give up and accept that they will never improve and we can't do anything about it.

Realism is good because it brings focus and definition to solving problems. Defeatism is giving in to hopelessness.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,945 posts)
21. There are way too many people
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:09 PM
15 hrs ago

right here who seem to eagerly look for things they can call "defeatist" to silence critics.

wnylib

(26,514 posts)
22. And there are quite a few people who are eager to call others Polyannas
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:57 PM
14 hrs ago

for believing that we can and should push back strongly and steadily against the destruction of democracy.

The struggle against authoritarian oligarchs currently taking over the country and trying to take over the world seems impossible to win sometimes. There are so many setbacks, so many insane things going on at once, so much money and power on the other side. But they are fallible human beings, not gods. They can be defeated.

It takes a united effort and determination to seize every opportunity, exploit every weakness that we detect in them, and keep on resisting.






MorbidButterflyTat

(4,776 posts)
19. Who are the pollyannas?
Mon May 25, 2026, 08:17 PM
16 hrs ago

Who said, 'everything will just be fine, you'll see'?

"The American experiment is over" is realistic?

betsuni

(29,323 posts)
24. Revolution Pollyannas: don't threaten us with the Supreme Court or tell us to vote blue no matter who.
Mon May 25, 2026, 11:06 PM
13 hrs ago

Both sides corrupt billionaires wealthy donors lobbyists oligarchs Wall Street superPACs AIPAC ANYPAC neoliberals status quo warmongers coastal elite establishment centrists ignore working class not progressive identity politics Trump listens to working class rigging old guard corporate Dems true roadblock to progress don't stand up to don't fight for earn my vote hold feet to the fire take my vote for granted teach them a lesson vote my conscience lesser of two evils but I just don't like her but he's old but the price of eggs my vote doesn't matter anyway uncommitted revolution solidarity both sides.

What could possible happen.

snowybirdie

(6,754 posts)
3. I really hate this
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:35 PM
23 hrs ago

Giving up and walking away with you tails between your legs. Shame on the defeatist and shame on not trying. As a nation, we've been down before and got back up! We all are better than this and this gets posted on Memorial Day! Double shame!

FoxNewsSucks

(11,945 posts)
9. Where does it say to give up and walk away?
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:10 PM
23 hrs ago

I read the opposite, the problem is those who have power but done nothing.

Easterncedar

(6,501 posts)
4. I won't be celebrating the 250th
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:42 PM
23 hrs ago

Democracy died here already. But acknowledging that isn't being defeatist. It doesn't mean we should stop fighting against the fascist authoritarian regime. We have to build a better government and society. We have to keep fighting, together, with all we have in every way we can.

bucolic_frolic

(55,924 posts)
5. Cheer up and take the opportunity that is offered
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:47 PM
23 hrs ago

The collapse of the financial and economic system loom. AI debt will level everything. We build anew from the ashes.

CousinIT

(12,784 posts)
12. Men have little ground to stand on when claiming that women..
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:28 PM
22 hrs ago

...are not leaders or are "too emotional" to do so, or whatever. Not after Trump. Not before either, but Trump just put the cap on their invalid arguments.

Phoenix61

(18,897 posts)
10. Is it being challenged? Absolutely!
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:11 PM
23 hrs ago

But it's been challenged in the past and we're still here. The Civil War, the Great Depression, the anti-war demonstrations during the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights movement and the atrocities that were committed during it. We will get through this the same way we got through those, determination and hard work because failure is not an option.

harumph

(3,427 posts)
11. I think the US can have a real democracy - but it needs a real constitution first.
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:18 PM
23 hrs ago

Anything else we do is just building a temporary dam. Article V. Maybe the only thing that will provide the motivation to fundamentally amend (more than just bandaid) the constitution will be when we hit rock bottom - and I mean rock bottom. One, private money needs to be banned
from elections. Two, bodily autonomy. Three, right to privacy - which means inter alia, no surveillance state. Four, right to basic healthcare. Five, right to a standardized world class education for all children K-12. Six, absolute separation of church and state. Seven, curtail presidential pardon power. Firewalls between the president and the DOJ. Create and fund virtually untouchable independent agencies charged with ferreting out accounting fraud and corruption. National secrecy cannot extend to more than 20 years before public disclosure ( accountability for those involved before they die). Representatives and senators must put their money in a blind trust. Penalties for defrauding the public include inability to run for election or to even serve in government - forever.

sinkingfeeling

(58,079 posts)
13. I agree it's over. It will take a hundred years to rebuild, if ever. Our
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:36 PM
22 hrs ago

leadership in science, education, medicine, engineering, and foreign relations is gone. The America I knew and loved died in November 2025.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,776 posts)
18. Happy to report this guy's damning post mortem of America didn't keep him from hyping his podcast
Mon May 25, 2026, 08:04 PM
16 hrs ago

And he publishes on the evil, dreaded Amazon!!


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Mark T. Sneed (@marktsneed.bsky.social) 2026-05-25T21:36:56.268Z



FakeNoose

(42,516 posts)
23. Somebody posts something on social media ... so who is this guy anyway
Mon May 25, 2026, 10:02 PM
14 hrs ago

They all have their own opinions, but I don't have to waste my time reading them.

betsuni

(29,323 posts)
25. "This is OUR government. Yes, we can change our government whenever we want. Don't ever
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:36 AM
7 hrs ago

forget that we get to choose."

Heather Cox Richardson

BH liberal

(176 posts)
28. There is an irrefutable Step One that has to happen this year...
Tue May 26, 2026, 08:11 AM
4 hrs ago

Those who are stating the obvious are spot-on. The first step in turning this mess around is to turn out for the midterms in numbers so high that the GOP redistricting, their dirty tricks, and their voter suppression tactics will not work. If we can't even manage that, we deserve what we get. No excuses!

delisen

(7,430 posts)
26. Sneed is a click master. Peddle despair, make a buck.
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:33 AM
5 hrs ago

He is mini-Bezos.
Bezos sells us Fascism with a fake smile; Sneed is selling Despair with a fake frown.

Know this: all marketing is lies

Scrivener7

(60,100 posts)
29. Yes. As we have known it, it is indeed over. But there is an opportunity here to build something different.
Tue May 26, 2026, 08:33 AM
3 hrs ago

We can all see it is over, and those violently denying it in this thread just seem to me to be simply showing their understandable reluctance to look at the fact that it is obviously over.

BUT. This disaster has shown us the unworkable parts of our system that need to go. These show us the road to build a better system if we have the will. Whether we have the will is the unanswered question.

The biggest fissure is that our system depends on its participants having a modicum of decency. We have learned that at least a third of our countrywomen and men don't have that decency. So depending on that decency just won't work anymore. That's done.

We can build something different when we regain power by first addressing those areas this third have exploited. The areas where they have been able to pillage the country for their own ends. That includes corporations and politicians. This requires a concerted effort to PROSECUTE the offenders without mercy. Our mistake in the Biden years was not doing that. Inevitably, I will be accused of trashing Biden for saying that. It's not trashing. Some of us saw his mistake in real time. A lot more can see it in retrospect. He made a mistake. People do. But the appointment of a "go along to get along" prosecutor has had disastrous consequences. This time, if "Just move ahead" is the road taken, it will truly be the end of anything resembling a Democracy.

But also, somewhere down the line when things settle into the new system - because it WILL be a new system, for better or worse depending on what WE do - we need to look at WHY so many of our countrywomen and men are such shits. Why there is no honesty, no character on the right. Bring back civics classes and make them mandatory in high school. Address the income inequality that makes the weaker among us create enemies of their neighbors. This is a lot more elusive than the goal of prosecution, and it's beyond my psychological understandings, but it is something smarter heads than mine need to address.

The same group that will accuse me of trashing Biden will take issue with my saying that WE have to fix this. They will say republicans broke it and therefore should fix it. Which is asinine. Of course they should. But that's not how the world works. They won't. We all know they won't. So if we want it fixed, we have to do it ourselves.

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