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BlueWavePsych

(3,444 posts)
Mon May 18, 2026, 07:34 AM Yesterday

Americans are leaving the U.S. in record numbers and spending hundreds to learn how to do it - CNBC

A record number of Americans are leaving the U.S.: The country saw a net negative migration of between 10,000 and 295,000 people in 2025, according to research from The Brookings Institution. The widest estimated range was among people who left voluntarily, with Brookings estimating that between 210,000 to 405,000 people did so last year.

It’s the first time in at least 50 years that more people moved out of the country than moved in. Restrictive immigration policies and deportation efforts play a role, according to Brookings. Some U.S. citizens are emigrating for school, work, raising a family, retirement and everything in between.

A majority, 89%, said they want to leave the U.S. for political reasons, according to a sampling of 218 of the weekend’s attendees, per Barnett. Others say they hope to move for adventure and growth (73%), as well as to save money (57%). Roughly two-thirds of respondents hope to move within two years, they have an average monthly budget of $3,856 to work with, and hopeful movers are split among 44% individuals, 39% couples and 17% families with kids.

Conference guests paid between roughly $500 to $1,000 for tickets to the weekend’s events, which included two days of programming from over 50 experts. Guests filtered into dozens of breakout sessions to learn the ins and outs of different visas, taxes as a foreigner, immigrant health insurance, and specifics on how to move to hot spots like Portugal, Mexico, Canada and New Zealand.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/17/americans-are-leaving-the-united-states-in-record-numbers-spending-hundreds-to-learn-how.html

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Americans are leaving the U.S. in record numbers and spending hundreds to learn how to do it - CNBC (Original Post) BlueWavePsych Yesterday OP
I think millions of others would if they could Johnny2X2X Yesterday #1
Conference guests paid between roughly $500 to $1,000 for tickets to the weekend's events RetiredParatrooper Yesterday #2
I have no use for this n/t Ziggy Beans Yesterday #3
Didn't need a conference. I did my.own research. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #4
I Have a Better Idea Mr.Bee Yesterday #5
We need to stay and fight Easterncedar Yesterday #6
History Cirsium Yesterday #23
Indeed Easterncedar Yesterday #24
We are so close to prevailing, though nuxvomica 21 hrs ago #25
Yep. mn9driver Yesterday #7
My grandparents knew when it was time to go mountain grammy Yesterday #8
my grandparents came here BonnieJW Yesterday #16
My uncle escaped Russia.. he was 6 mountain grammy Yesterday #18
"Spending hundreds" Prairie Gates Yesterday #9
Wonder what the demographics are of those leaving? Wounded Bear Yesterday #10
My daughter is leaving in August AverageOldGuy Yesterday #11
Seems like an attractive option at first SpankMe Yesterday #12
By many accounts, the US is one of the top 5 hardest places to obtain citizenship. Ms. Toad Yesterday #20
The Slow Boiling of Frogs 2na fisherman Yesterday #13
Well said misanthrope Yesterday #17
I did it already sdfernando Yesterday #14
Is the US government still letting citizens escape? Farmer-Rick Yesterday #15
That cartoon says it all..a dark time it is. Passages Yesterday #19
It is unlikely I'll leave anytime soon - Ms. Toad Yesterday #21
Keep you passport current pfitz59 Yesterday #22
Good advice Old Crank 16 hrs ago #29
My wife rambler_american 19 hrs ago #26
My mother was born in Canada. Her German parents settled there. BarbD 19 hrs ago #27
Wish I could leave I_UndergroundPanther 19 hrs ago #28
We left pre T I. Old Crank 16 hrs ago #30
For a quick overview of some country options Old Crank 16 hrs ago #31

Johnny2X2X

(24,435 posts)
1. I think millions of others would if they could
Mon May 18, 2026, 08:10 AM
Yesterday

I am in a better spot than most, but I can't leave family or my career right now. If things don't back on track with our democracy, I will retire out of country though. I'm genuinely fearful for the safety of Democrats if things don't take a turn for the better this Fall.

RetiredParatrooper

(222 posts)
2. Conference guests paid between roughly $500 to $1,000 for tickets to the weekend's events
Mon May 18, 2026, 09:22 AM
Yesterday


I smell a grift.

nuxvomica

(14,205 posts)
25. We are so close to prevailing, though
Mon May 18, 2026, 08:49 PM
21 hrs ago

For the next few months, the state of the country will be getting worse before it gets better. But when I think of what my ancestors struggled through to achieve their dreams, guided only by a strong belief in this country and its aspirations, my challenges today don't seem nearly as great.

mn9driver

(4,856 posts)
7. Yep.
Mon May 18, 2026, 09:51 AM
Yesterday

It’s a good idea to have something in place. If you wait until the need is immediate, it might be too late.

mountain grammy

(29,211 posts)
8. My grandparents knew when it was time to go
Mon May 18, 2026, 10:05 AM
Yesterday

they emigrated to America from Poland in 1911. Anti semitism was the reason. my grandfather was a rabbi and a tailor...they saved every penny to get out. My mom was born in the USA. She always said, be aware. Don't ever think it can't happen here, it already has and still is... she learned that being stationed in the south.

I've told my granddaughters.. time to go!

BonnieJW

(3,139 posts)
16. my grandparents came here
Mon May 18, 2026, 12:27 PM
Yesterday

from Russia in 1909 for the same reason. My grandfather was a tailor too!

mountain grammy

(29,211 posts)
18. My uncle escaped Russia.. he was 6
Mon May 18, 2026, 12:51 PM
Yesterday

He and his two teenage sisters after their parents were killed in a pogrom.

It feels like our people have always been on the run.

Wounded Bear

(64,636 posts)
10. Wonder what the demographics are of those leaving?
Mon May 18, 2026, 10:22 AM
Yesterday

Dollar to a donut it's mostly the white folk the MAGAts say they want to be in the majority.

AverageOldGuy

(4,164 posts)
11. My daughter is leaving in August
Mon May 18, 2026, 10:27 AM
Yesterday

52, single, law partner, going to Great Britain, not returning.

Spent the last two years researching GB, France, Italy, Canada.

Two other partners in her firm - wife and husband - split for Italy in January, bought house there last Fall.

My wife is very ill - diabetes, heart, kidney failure. I hate to talk like this but when she’s gone and if I’m still mobile, I’m out of here, probably Europe.

SpankMe

(3,761 posts)
12. Seems like an attractive option at first
Mon May 18, 2026, 11:00 AM
Yesterday

But, leaving the US because of Trump is like moving to Mars because of overcrowding on Earth.

So much has to be done to Mars to make it livable that it's easier to try and fix our problems on Earth.

Most other countries with similar freedoms and qualities of life to the US are hard to get into for the long term. The US has (until Trump, anyway) a generally easier path to citizenship than these other countries.

When people were fleeing genicodes and literal daily threats to their lives, they could come to America. But as Americans, there's really nowhere else for us to go. This is it. This is the top. The end of the line. There is no more. At this point, we have to stay and fight.

Ms. Toad

(38,823 posts)
20. By many accounts, the US is one of the top 5 hardest places to obtain citizenship.
Mon May 18, 2026, 02:02 PM
Yesterday

That has been true since I started paying attention to immigration in the 90s.

2na fisherman

(362 posts)
13. The Slow Boiling of Frogs
Mon May 18, 2026, 11:08 AM
Yesterday

By the time full-fledged fascism in the form of MAGA becomes the law of this land, it will be too late to leave. We are just beginning to feel it heating up. So if we do not defeat the MAGA forces starting with the 2026 midterm elections, this country will be on a steady decline. And if the Dems take the House and Senate, every bit of what Trump and Trumpism has done must be repudiated and reversed and democracy restored with new legal and institutional guardrails to avoid this kind of thing from repeating. I'm too old to leave the country but a lot of very knowledgeable people have already. This includes a couple of famous professors who wrote books on fascism. It speaks volumes that they decided to leave. I once had an anthropology professor who was fond of stating a basic biological rule. It was, adapt, migrate or perish. So since I'm staying, I'm wondering what fighting back looks like in an age of AI mass surveillance. And the world's greatest military might turned against me. If there is to be another Civil War, it will not be a set piece bunch of battles but a protracted guerilla war of ongoing skirmishes with small arms and improvised weapons used against rockets, aircraft and drones. If blue states form unified militias in solidarity and form alliances with some remaining friendly foreign allies, the outcome might lead to a stalemate and the partitioning of the country like North and South Korea. I feel sorry for the young people who must deal with this bleak future. But what we do now matters so much for its avoidance. Yet, I fear the waves of apathy may defeat democracy if too many can't be bothered to care if their government controls every aspect of their lives and promises them bread and circuses or fast food and video games. They will have already adapted to their surrender without even noticing there was something worth fighting for.

misanthrope

(9,627 posts)
17. Well said
Mon May 18, 2026, 12:34 PM
Yesterday
Yet, I fear the waves of apathy may defeat democracy if too many can't be bothered to care if their government controls every aspect of their lives and promises them bread and circuses or fast food and video games. They will have already adapted to their surrender without even noticing there was something worth fighting for.


This part is already achieved. People need to wake up.

sdfernando

(6,108 posts)
14. I did it already
Mon May 18, 2026, 11:17 AM
Yesterday

Took early retirement and moved to Spain. It wasn't as easy as you might think......and the spanish consulate in LA "misplaced" my application. Once I got a Spanish immigration lawyer involved, who got the consul general involved I had my visa within two weeks .....but the whole thing caused a 4 month delay in me getting here.

Farmer-Rick

(12,786 posts)
15. Is the US government still letting citizens escape?
Mon May 18, 2026, 12:18 PM
Yesterday

The Soviet Union, Putin's Russia and China, especially in the Tibet region learned early that when you institute a brutal fascist dictatorship, you have to put the breaks on emigration. You may hate your own citizens but that doesn't mean you can let them get away from the psychotic abuse you want to inflict.

Ms. Toad

(38,823 posts)
21. It is unlikely I'll leave anytime soon -
Mon May 18, 2026, 02:08 PM
Yesterday

I have to elderly parents and a spouse to care for. But my daughter and I are in the process of having our Canadian citizenship by descent recognized. (Great grandfather on one side and great& great- grandfather on the other side quality me for citizenship be. Descent under the new supreme Court decision - and Bill C-3.). So once I no longer have to obligations here, I may well move with my daughter.

pfitz59

(12,922 posts)
22. Keep you passport current
Mon May 18, 2026, 03:27 PM
Yesterday

have a stash. get dual citizenship, if eligible. invest in a small apartment or home in your country of choice. learn the language if rusty or illiterate.

Old Crank

(7,266 posts)
29. Good advice
Tue May 19, 2026, 01:58 AM
16 hrs ago

If you are near or retired the rules usually change.
Research the tax system. The country and the US will have a tax treaty. That determines how your income will be taxed. In Europe, generally, the tax rate is higher and goes up faster. If you can withdraw savings from a US tax advantaged account without penalty, it may be in your best interests to do so. Part or all of your stash.
If you can get a headstart on the country's language, do it. If you can, find a country American group. Many will speak the language and might help. Perhaps able to give tips on the culture also.

rambler_american

(938 posts)
26. My wife
Mon May 18, 2026, 10:30 PM
19 hrs ago

has been working for over a year to get Canadian citizenship based on her parents having been Canadian citizens. We have not decided just what we will do with it once she gets it. We're both in our 80's and starting over in another country is a little daunting. Still, it's good to have options.

BarbD

(1,496 posts)
27. My mother was born in Canada. Her German parents settled there.
Mon May 18, 2026, 10:32 PM
19 hrs ago

If I weren't 88, I'd seriously consider moving to Montreal. I'm suggesting to my grandchildren they should check out Canadian options.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,386 posts)
28. Wish I could leave
Mon May 18, 2026, 10:59 PM
19 hrs ago

I’m disabled , trans,pagan, leftist, and anti authoritarian to my core ,furry,and even worse I am a big cat lover.

Fascist fuckwads look for people like me to kill off first.

However I am poor. SSI gives you existance money. Passports cost money
I have been disabled since I was 18.
Besides other countries do not welcome disabled people who can’t work.

Old Crank

(7,266 posts)
30. We left pre T I.
Tue May 19, 2026, 02:05 AM
16 hrs ago

Not for political reasons. We didn't have any real expectations of staying. Then along came Trump. The door to returning opened a bit with Biden but was slammed shut by Trump again. I also hold Canadian citizenship. The chances of returning to the US are dwindling.

Old Crank

(7,266 posts)
31. For a quick overview of some country options
Tue May 19, 2026, 02:15 AM
16 hrs ago

You might look into the magazine, International living. They used to have reasonable information in their articles. I did a 6 month trial and that was enough to give you a starting base to look further. Another source of information is from the county's website. You can see if there are expat groups in the countries of interest, they may be of some use.

If anyone is interested in Germany or just our experiences PM.
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