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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOh My God -- These New Epstein Files Are Horrifying (Paul For Equality)
What they describe is not politics.
Its systemic abuse, trafficking, threats, and dehumanization of underage girls carried out by powerful, wealthy men who believed they were untouchable.
Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, and an entire ecosystem of rich donors and political protectors are implicated not by rumor, but by sworn testimony.
Trump would burn this country to the ground before allowing full accountability.
And the Republican Party has every incentive to help him because donor money, power, and proximity to these crimes matter more to them than justice.
This isnt left vs right.
This is power vs humanity.
The women and girls named in these files deserve justice.
Silence protects predators. Exposure is the only path forward.
Blue Owl
(58,885 posts)Is anyone feeling any safer the longer these depraved monsters are still roaming free?
efhmc
(16,504 posts)slightlv
(7,729 posts)covered them is encouraging, in that it's not tongue in cheek, but actual outrage. But hea... as long as it's just "us" it doesn't mean much. We can be as outraged as possible, but what power do we have to affect actual change and accountability? Especially when trump is spending just about every available moment coming up with new ways to steal elections... or downright cancel them?
I've tried to read some of these, but I'll admit they're hard to follow with my 70 year old brain these days. Not only that, but the ones I've read have been so horrendous in what they detail, it's soul crushing. But the more redactions they added make it even harder to read. What I see that would be advantageous, is if someone were to summarize all these files without leaving out the details... but break through the redactions such that it's easier to read and understand. I say that, thinking, what is there to understand? Huge right wing evil white christian men raped, beat up, and killed girls and young women (and perhaps even some boys) for nothing more than momentary pleasure. If that's not sheer,unadulterated evil, I don't know what is.
twodogsbarking
(18,400 posts)Whip-poor-will
(127 posts)For the 20 something youngsters (male) to witness this is beyond the pale ,there has to be humiliating public punishment like the Lincoln assassination or Nuremberg Gallows.
Maybe castration, after a fair public trial 20 at a time .
He could be impeached in 2 weeks just as fast as we went to war except his jury might have so many congressmen involved with the trump/ Epstein rape club they can't make a quorum.
soldierant
(9,313 posts)After castration, a man can still get an erection and have an orgasm. The only difference is that he an; impregnate anyone. Granted that would lower the rate of child mothers and abortions, it would also lower the discovery rate - many pedophiles who prefer girls are only caught because a ten-year-old is found to be pregnant. Sad, bur true. We need to talk about what is more important.
wiggs
(8,770 posts)Epstein accountability for him? More GOPrs may have room to take him down via exposure.
Mtnmama
(149 posts)Yet Republican congressmen still support, will not impeach him. How low our country has sunk. And the idiotic "religious" nuts who think he is doing gods will are truly deplorable. In my mind, they are literally worshipping satan.
synni
(755 posts)slightlv
(7,729 posts)some years ago, like little Mike J.... boasting all over everywhere about dirty money being handed out willy nilly on the House floor. Gatz... a virtual nobody... boasting from the floor about how he "partied" the night before. And who was the paraplegic who posted videos of himself engaging in the evil? I can't even remember his name. He gets lost in the milieu of evil.
I absolutely agree with you that they are worshipping Satan. Thing is, I think every single one of them know that as well... and it not only doesn't make any difference, they're willing to make any "crossroads deal" to get more. I think the christianist's "rapture" happened sometime ago and they just didn't notice because they all got left behind. We are now in the world of the Reign of Satan, thanks to them. And they're enjoying every wicked moment of it.
Gordcanuck
(181 posts)the little blacked out words in the files` just carefully released (drip drip ) are exposed. How can a prosecution proceed without a victim and a perpetrator? Horrific, yes, but just more expressions of outrage, sound, and fury bemoaning a lack of concrete action.
ShazzieB
(22,489 posts)You're right about the little blacked out words, but I'm pretty sure those words will stay blacked out until he's no longer potus. "His" DOJ takes orders from him, and no one else, and will continue to do so as long as he's in charge. If Bondi was to leave or get fired, he'd just appoint another sycophant who would continue shielding him the way she's doing now.
soldierant
(9,313 posts)But if states can get their hands on evidence, some of them would. Jurisdiction might be an issue - but New Mexico, New York, and Florida all contain properties he used. I would put Florida low on the list were it not that they apparently did prosecute Epstein at one tome, although there was influence which impeded the prosecution.
ShazzieB
(22,489 posts)Yeah, I was thinking federally, but I'm sure there are some states that will go after them if they get the chance.
joshdawg
(2,952 posts)will be charged with anything."
And the traitor pedophile knows it.
No one is willing to stand up to him.
pandr32
(14,173 posts)And oh look!--The president is a mob guy.
LilElf70
(1,525 posts)This is power vs humanity. Nailed it.
I agree, remove the redactions, and let justice serve these ruthless people.
Joinfortmill
(20,938 posts)red dog 1
(32,883 posts)This isn't left vs right.
It's right vs wrong.
pansypoo53219
(23,009 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,734 posts)CountAllVotes
(22,189 posts)ms.pamela
(87 posts)My niece and daughter have really been reading those files and what they did to children and babies is horrific. The nazis did not even commit crimes like these, I will not put up what they imparted to me, but both these women are college educated and disgusted. My daughter says this nation needs to accept responsibility for these crimes against humanity and the justice department needs to be held accountable for failing to prosecute these monsters.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,405 posts)And apparently our "Christan" conservatives are fine with it.
raging moderate
(4,617 posts)"While some of us are slaves, then NONE of us are truly free!
We'll break the captives' bonds, and then proclaim true Liberty!
God's truth is marching on!"
Later verse of the Civil War Union song! Quoted from the Bible, written by a Union Repubican, and sung by anti-slavery people fighting for justice and democracy! Come on, my country! Let's pull together! Let's become, once more, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA1
artemisia1
(1,783 posts)untouchable". There. I fixed it
Skittles
(171,052 posts)it is somewhat satisfying to know these rich assholes, although they have yet to be held accountable, must be regularly shitting pretty heavy bricks
SergeStorms
(20,434 posts)to buy "justice."
We all know there are different tiers in our "justice" system. The poor minorities have the lowest tier, then poor whites, then middle class Americans, wealthy minorities, and finally uber-wealthy whites.
Should those tiers exist? Absolutely not! However, they do, and the wealthy seldom see the same level of justice as everyone else. It's not fair, but fairness in American culture went out with buggy whips and sad irons.
artemisia1
(1,783 posts)Bluetus
(2,654 posts)Why hasn't this been reported widely? Is this guy credible or is this some kind of trap?
Clouds Passing
(7,825 posts)judy
(1,963 posts)I believe that the day all the "Epstein Files" are made public, the level of depravity, hubris and disdain for human life might create a shift of consciousness in the world, that might turn this runaway train around. Otherwise, as Rick Wilson reminds us "Everything Trump Touches Dies", and now, it's humanity at large...thank you to all who have relentlessly looked through the files, and demanded that the DOJ follow the law...you might save us all!
snot
(11,708 posts)if the Mr. Lance had provided links to the sources and/or more info about the context. I.e., I'm not clear who it is the speaker in the texts he's reading, or who they were speaking to, etc., all of which might help establish credibility.