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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe have made a decision
We are in our 80's.
I'm in decent shape, work out 3-5 days a week, do all the driving and errands, though I have spinal stenosis, walk with a cane. and my hips hurt if I walk more than a block.
My wife of almost 60 years (60 years at the end of July) is not as fortunate -- Type II insulin-dependent diabetic, spinal stenosis, knee replacement, balance problems (two falls in past three years requiring surgery to correct), digestive problems, heart problems, walks with a walker.
We both understand that one or both of us could die in the next 15 minutes or we may make it another 15 years.
As college students in Alabama in the 1960's, we both marched in Selma, Montgomery, and Birmingham. We were knocked down by Bull Connor's firehoses and bitten by his dogs. We have marched and marched and demonstrated and volunteered for Habitat, in food banks, in homeless shelters, and you name it.
We recently moved from our custom-designed and custom-built home in rural Virginia into a small Northern Virginia apartment and are in a new United Methodist Church. During the morning prayer, the minister starts the prayer then members of the congregation can call out the name of a person for whom they want prayers and the congregation responds "Hear our prayers." Today I called out as loudly as I could "The People of Minnesota" and our congregation roared "Hear our prayers!!!" -- and after the service, damn near 3/4 of the congregation came up to me -- some with tears in their eyes -- thanking me.
Our decision is simple: We will NOT COMPLY -- we will not comply and we will let the world know it -- vocally, publicly, at every chance we get .
Our message to ICE is simple: Shoot if you must these old grey heads.
WE ARE NOT HEROES -- NOT AT ALL. But we have to ask ourselves: WTF WOULD JESUS DO?????
spooky3
(38,321 posts)To keep on keepin on.
Scott Alan Swaggerty
(194 posts)marble falls
(71,226 posts)Scott Alan Swaggerty
(194 posts)flamingdem
(40,810 posts)Brought a tear to my eye. I wish there were more ways to show that most of us still care.
highplainsdem
(60,301 posts)or not you think the label "hero" fits, in a time like this - when our oppressors have made it clear that they're willing to shoot - that label fits.
Scott Alan Swaggerty
(194 posts)Deuxcents
(25,652 posts)Im knocking on 79 and our generation has been thru a lot of rocky times but we dealt with it and moved on, hopefully to make things better. Weve worked hard and at this point in life, gray hair, walkers or whatever were dealing with, we have not forgotten our lessons..question authority. Verify and double check. Take care of our neighbors and we donate to causes dear to our hearts and convictions. Your prayer request said it all for this current situation and your decision for non compliance seals the whole point of what youve experienced and how you will live. Im proudly in lock step with you. Thanks for your post 🙏
godsentme
(216 posts)Thanks for sharing. My heart needed it
ShazzieB
(22,259 posts)When I got to the part about the congregation roaring out their support for the people of Minnesota - SHIVERS!
Thanks for sharing this beautiful story!
3Hotdogs
(15,074 posts)Jesus, please take the motherfucker home today, into your sweet, loving arms.
Joinfortmill
(20,221 posts)AncientOfDays
(255 posts)I had pain like you describe - walk with cane, can't walk more than a block, spinal stenosis, etc. But my doctors did CAT/MRI scans and found blockages leading to the femoral arteries. I just had vascular surgery with stents installed and 80+% of the pain is gone.
Might not be your problem, but worth checking
BTW, I'm 84
3catwoman3
(28,690 posts)to my eyes. What a moving moment that must have been.
young_at_heart
(4,004 posts)You speak for us....after all these years, we can't handle what is happening to our country, especially to those of us who just happen to be Democrats! I loved your post and applaud you and your wife for all you do. Those of us born in the 1930's may be struggling with a lot of health problems but WE WILL NOT COMPLY!
BurnDoubt
(1,537 posts)I need to hear more how People of Faith are finding their conscience and I fear so much of Christianity has been co-opted by the Prosperity Hoax.
Its hard to hear the things I was taught as a child are mocked for being Woke. The only Anger I remember hearing of Jesus was vented on the Money-changers. And in our day they have perverted the whole message to take control of peoples lives and rob them of their Free Will in their desire to impose their Dominance Delirium on our Society.
So thank you for adhering to the Spirit of Christianity. I wish I knew more people like you.
lucca18
(1,448 posts)Stay strong.
Stay well.
❤️
Randomthought
(1,002 posts)Who lives in Minneapolis
Cha
(317,228 posts)Mahalo for you and your Wife's Dedication to Our Democracy.. ☮️🌺🌻🌸🕯️🕊️💜
dflprincess
(29,192 posts)Uncle Joe
(64,337 posts)CTyankee
(67,842 posts)market on anything to do with their Lord and Savior.
hoosierspud
(216 posts)With fellow members of my UMC church.
utherpendragon
(19 posts)
and give us this day our daily dread,
and may we find the composure
to bear witness without becoming brittle.
For thine is the kingdom
even now,
especially now.
malaise
(293,287 posts)Rec
Loryn
(1,041 posts)Timeflyer
(3,706 posts)Wounded Bear
(63,903 posts)bleedingulcers
(79 posts)dies like a dog! March on!" he said.
You touched an almost dead part of my brain (and my heart) with your post...
From the poem Barbara Frietchie by John Greenleaf Whittier. If you went to school in Maryland in the 60s and 70s, you very well may have memorized this!
Irish_Dem
(80,110 posts)Everyone has to do what is right for them
riversedge
(79,688 posts)I lived and worked in Mpls for decades. Loved the city and still have a few friends there.
One was out last week with the protestors.
fantase56
(489 posts)I really needed that this morning. You lifted my spirits
PatrickforB
(15,355 posts)hamsterjill
(17,103 posts)I'm so happy to hear that a congregation understands compassion, and the need for it. I am a believer, and it has been horrid the last decade watching what I consider to be the basic tenets of Christianity twisted and contorted into something that has nothing to do with what I believe it truly is. So many of the MAGA that I live around in Texas became that way BECAUSE OF their mega churches, etc.
I am happy to know that some are coming back and embracing the love, the compassion, the grace, the forgiveness and the actual teachings.
And I will not comply. I couldn't live with myself.
Kid Berwyn
(23,254 posts)You are a good man.
And thank you for putting the situation into words of action.
c-rational
(3,139 posts)VTderry
(83 posts)And there is true heroism in speaking up and refusing to bow down.
Americanme
(391 posts)We are blessed to have you. Thank you.
ret5hd
(22,248 posts)I learned several things over my years:
1) the fear of getting kicked/punched is generally worse than the actuality
2) jail (short stints anyway) isn't as bad as you think
3) however, tear gas is pretty f'n bad...but survivable
Evolve Dammit
(21,534 posts)Response to AverageOldGuy (Original post)
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OldBaldy1701E
(10,351 posts)As I recall, he went into the temple and destroyed the moneylenders.
Can we expect that from everyone? Because that surely needs to happen around here. The corruption I speak of is a direct cause of where we are now. Greed and Envy. Seems I have heard of those things mentioned in Christian doctrine.
Matthew 21:1213, King James Version
This is what has happened to our country. It is overrun with moneylenders and merchants. They have turned our once amazing society into a den of thieves. And, their thievery and corruption has created our current regime.
So, who is going to toss the first table?
Fla Dem
(27,443 posts)llmart
(17,364 posts)I'm with you. I WILL NOT COMPLY! Don't know if I'll ever find myself in that position with regards to ICE but there are other ways I will not comply.
Thank you and your wife for standing strong. I'm closing in on 80 myself and my attitude is that I've done everything I wanted to do in this life, and I'd rather leave it fighting for what I know to be right, just, compassionate and kind than sit back and let everyone else fight to save our democracy.
Quanto Magnus
(1,305 posts)would put on armor, pull out his AK and go 'hunting'....
samplegirl
(13,760 posts)both we are in our sixties and never thought retirement would be with such fraught.
I would like to wake up one morning without outrageous news and go to bed without such heaviness.
❤️
La Coliniere
(1,772 posts)Thank you for the emotional uplift your post is providing. You and your wife are extraordinary Americans and I hope you live to see this tide turn back to sanity. Bless you!
Bluewonder
(5 posts)Your post is very moving and inspires me to do something more to fight against this evil administration.
Thank you for all the volunteering you and your wife have done. You should be proud of all you have contributed.
Best wishes to you and your wife.
LNM
(1,228 posts)That brought tears to this atheist Minnesotan.
Scott Alan Swaggerty
(194 posts)AllaN01Bear
(28,688 posts)i agreee 100% said horton the elephant. nor will i lower my head for this thing .