eurpoe has a giant weapon it could use against the US in an economic war

[moonshinegnomie]

Its not secret that AI is goign to play a huge role in the future.
In order to make teh chips needed for AI you need highly specialized equipment.
One key machine is an Extreme Ultraviolet lithography machine which is a must have to make teh AI chips.

Theres only 1 company that makes them. ASML,a dutch company. If the EU decided to ban the export of those machines to the US that would destroy the AI business here.

[creon]

1. make it so

[SheltieLover]

2. Oh please! Make it so!

[GreenWave]

6. Oh yes! Engage!

[UTUSN]

3. K&R

[ret5hd]

4. a very short look at these machines:

[iluvtennis]

17. Many thanks for this video!!! n/t

[liberalla]

21. Fascinating video on ASML... Thanks!

[dem4decades]

5. And that's why Generalissimo Trump will march into the Netherlands after he's done with Greenland.

[edhopper]

7. Not true

Trump is the biggest expert on AI and computer chips. Nobody knows this stuff more than him. All the heads of the Industry told him so.
He can just make those here in the US. He is already conceiving of an idea for a plan.

[SheltieLover]

9. In a flash of a scaramucci?

[The Madcap]

11. They'll be called "Trumpchips."

They will hallucinate everything, just like him.

[Hugin]

25. Those cow chips will be the mighty engines powering the goldish plated Trump fones!

John Galt told me so with tears in his eyes.

[frogstar0]

32. In the beginning was the Plan. an oldie...

The Plan

In the beginning was the Plan.

And then came the Assumptions.

And the Assumptions were without form.

And darkness was upon the face of the Workers.

And they spoke among themselves, saying, "It is a crock of shit, and it stinketh."

And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said, "It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odour thereof."

And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying, "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it."

And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying, "It is a vessel of fertiliser, and none may abide its strength."

And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another, "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."

And the Directors then went onto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them, "It promotes growth and is very powerful."

And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying unto him, "This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigour of the company; with powerful effects."

And the President looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.

And the Plan became Policy.

This is How Shit Happens.

[erronis]

36. I knew there was a Plan beneath all this crap! Excellent.

[KS Toronado]

13. Was that plan also drawn on a napkin?

[erronis]

26. And you all thought is was going to be a ballroom. Nope, it's trump's Stable Genius Chip Foundry.

[Jedi Guy]

53. The head honchos of the AI industry came to him and shook his hand, tears in their eyes.

"Sir," they said, "You've been such an inspiration to all of us. That's why our chatbots barf out nonsensical word salad and create kiddie porn images that would make a serial killer's skin crawl. We couldn't have done it without you, sir."

[bucolic_frolic]

8. That would take time.

Right now NVDA seems to be doing fine.

[F-18_AMO]

12. NVIDIA

NVIDIA has kissed the ring.

[dutch777]

10. EU would make a quick impact by just boycotting American goods. The Canadians have sobered US booze industry...

....by not buying US wine and hard liquor. Wineries suffering 10% loses, hard alcohol even more. They are closing the Jim Beam whisky distillery for a year as they don't need more stock they can't sell. And it comes when Americans were already curtailing drinking. Same pain could be spread across a host of goods and services. I like the ASML angle, but if the EU develops a spine, they could do more than strongly worded diplomatic messages.

[GB_RN]

14. Not Many High End Chips Are Made In The US.

So, a ban on export of the fabricators to the US wouldn’t have as much of an effect as you might anticipate. The majority of high end chips (those necessary for AI, for example), are predominantly made in Taiwan and South Korea (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, aka TSMC, being the largest manufacturer). It would really take an export ban from Taiwan and South Korea to hurt our AI development. And with the US’s economic heavyweight status, neither country is likely to slit its own throat.

In that proposed scenario, China might be willing to buy what the US no longer could, but there aren’t many governments (first and foremost being Taiwan itself) which want to see China utilizing those chips: A further-empowered Chinese Communist Party-run government is not a great idea…and a really bad idea from Taiwan’s perspective.

[erronis]

27. According to the video supplied above, TSMC and others get this technology from ASML

[GB_RN]

35. Right.

But the vast majority of the chips produced by TSMC, et al., are made in Taiwan and South Korea. So again, disallowing shipment of ASML’s hardware to the US would have minimal effect.

[Bev54]

15. That is the type of discussions they are having, rather than reciprocal tariffs they

are talking about certain bans on items of trade.

[SSJVegeta]

16. They should do it already for the good of humanity

Ai is the devil

[aggiesal]

18. Cymer n/t

[erronis]

37. ASML purchases Cymer for $2.5B "to get control of a light-based technology"

https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/chip-gear-maker-asml-buys-cymer-for-25-billion-idUSBRE89G08R/

https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/cymer-inc

Cymer, Inc.

17075 Thornmint Court
San Diego, California 92127
U.S.A.
Telephone: [phone]
Toll Free: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Web site: http://www.cymer.com

Public Company
Incorporated: 1986 as Cymer Laser Technologies, Inc.
Employees: 770
Sales: $418.0 million (2004)
Stock Exchanges: NASDAQ
Ticker Symbol: CYMI
NAIC: 333298 All Other Industrial Machinery Manufacturing

Cymer, Inc. is the leading supplier of excimer lasers, which are used in the manufacture of semiconductors. Excimer lasers deliver deep ultraviolet photolithography light sources in highly narrow bandwidth, enabling complex circuit designs that deliver high processing speeds. Cymer controls more than 90 percent of the worldwide market for excimer lasers, conducting its assembly, integration, and testing activities at a 265,000-square-foot facility in San Diego, California. The company also maintains a refurbishing facility in Korea. Cymer's customers include all three manufacturers of deep ultraviolet photolithography systems, ASML Holding N.V., Canon Inc., Nikon Corp., and numerous semiconductor manufacturers, including Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Intel Corp., Toshiba Corp., and Texas Instruments Inc.

ORIGINS

At one point, when Robert P. Akins and Richard L. Sandstrom reached a crossroads in their careers, they thought about running a hamburger outlet together. It would have been an odd choice for two physicists with Ph.D.s who had just abandoned work on the Strategic Defense Initiative, but for a brief period, while mulling their future over beers at a beach bar named Belly Up, the pair thought about buying a hamburger franchise instead of continuing their development of excimer lasers. Had their discussion reached a different conclusion, Cymer would not have been formed, advances in computer processing power likely would have been stunted, and the Wendy's restaurant chain, having just opened its 3,000th unit, would have gained one more outlet.

[aggiesal]

39. I know. I used to work at that company and ASML was the main competitor. ...

I have a funny story from my time at Cymer, concerning a retired Navy Vet. who I'm sure he is a Trumper now days, but back then he supported GW McIdiot.

[AZ8theist]

42. Small world

I worked for Cymer for about 11 years and then ASML after the purchase. I was at Intel in Chandler.
How about you?

[aggiesal]

44. I worked directly out of the Cymer in San Diego at the HQ on Thornmint Court. n/t

[AZ8theist]

48. Huh!

I trained there several times!
I still have that 25th Anniversary book and cd!!
We probably know some if the same people.

[haele]

19. Pharmaceuticals. Danish (and other European) companies make a lot of

popular and critical drugs that US citizens overpay for.
Like insulin. Ozempic. Heart and hypertension medication. Alzheimer's medication...

Let's just say, there's a potential for a lot of hurting, if not dying or dead, US citizens that are "less wealthy", should there be a conflict lasting longer than a few months.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

20. ASML EUV machines are dependent on the US

The light source technology and components come from a US based company, Cymer, that is based in California. ASML acquired them a while back, but the components still come from here. The machines do not work without these components. The US already exerts control over ASML by barring them from selling EUV machines to China due to the integration of these US components and tech into the machines. This is why China is working on developing their own machine. ASML could stop supplying machines to the US(which there isnt as much of demand anyway since Taiwan and South Korea are the primary fabrication points), and the US could bar export of Cymer's tech and components and shutdown ASML EUV production entirely until an alternative is developed and integrated into their machines. So ASML isnt going to do it.

[aggiesal]

40. Look at my comment #18 n/t

[Alice B.]

22. I'd cheer for that.

[LiberalArkie]

23. China just developed a 4nm machine, but they do not have an inventory of them yet.

[maliaSmith]

24. Dear Europe

Please ban the export of this machine. AI is destroying our lives.

[DownriverDem]

28. How to eliminate AI when using Google

Put in your search. Then leave a space & put -AI. Your results with be without AI.

[littlemissmartypants]

30. Cool pro tip! I love pro tips! TY! ❤️

How to eliminate AI when using Google
Put in your search. Then leave a space & put -AI. Your results with be without AI.

[aggiesal]

41. Is there anyway to make that the default settings so I don't have to keep entering -AI? n/t

[relayerbob]

29. Nope

Most of the most powerful chips (ie NVidia) are made by TSMC in Taiwan. It would hobble Intel, and slow the fab being built here, but "destroy" US business here? Nope. Take this from someone with decades in the semiconductor business.

[Progressive dog]

31. machines cannot be exported

to China because some of the technology is under US control. This is according to Wikipedia.

[Norrrm]

33. It is a small country with little military power. Trump will threaten to invade and conquer.

Acting President of the Netherlands

[Mme. Defarge]

34. It' TACO time!

[AllaN01Bear]

38. ding. this. :)

[OldBaldy1701E]

43. Now now... don't tease me with a good time! (n/t)

[not fooled]

45. Isn't the biggest weapon dumping US bonds?

If krasnov tries to blow up NATO by military action in Greenland, other countries could start dumping US Treasuries. Talk about hurting the US!

[Scalded Nun]

46. Please, oh please! Do not try to negotiate. Just pull the pin and make this happen.

You cannot trust we would honor any agreement we make. This country is currently governed by leadershit that has or knows no honor. It is in their DNA and they will not change.

[BradBo]

47. If the world got together and drooped the dollar it would crash our economy.

And you can blame Trump and the SCOTUS with help from Garland.

[vapor2]

49. DO IT!

If trump wants to play games and bully countries, then Europe should do it

[PurgedVoter]

50. Sell US currency, Move resources and credit out of the USA, tell citizens to come home. Freeze US money in banks,

Freeze US oligarch money, the oligarchs is where this all originated.
Insist that any banks with Trump or Epstein data hand it over to the EU or lose connections.
Then Sanction our Oligarchs.
If our Oligarchs can't visit, use their Yachts, and fear the loss of their properties, they might decide that their maneuvers and support for evil are maybe a bit higher risk than they want.

[OAITW r.2.0]

51. Cool.

Still want Greenland, Don?

[Blue Owl]

52. Proceed.