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Breaking - Gov Walz to deploy National Guard in (Original Post) malaise 18 hrs ago OP
Good.............. Lovie777 18 hrs ago #1
Good. Horse with no Name 18 hrs ago #2
Not if TACO Federalizes them. marble falls 17 hrs ago #8
Good 👍 MustLoveBeagles 18 hrs ago #3
to do what? drray23 18 hrs ago #4
to stop trump from doing what The Guardian says he and Noem are doing -- ancianita 17 hrs ago #5
TACO can "trump" him by Federalizing the Guard. marble falls 17 hrs ago #7
NOT so. Check the law on this. ancianita 15 hrs ago #35
National Guard AzTired64 15 hrs ago #37
You don't have to have a J.D. to read. Here's some info... ancianita 14 hrs ago #45
The Feds trumps the States. marble falls 17 hrs ago #10
Not under the Second Amendment, there's a reason it was enacted n/t AntiFascist 16 hrs ago #18
Nope. ancianita 15 hrs ago #36
That is my take also. It is a preemptive strike to block Trump. Bluetus 17 hrs ago #13
Unlike our previous minor disagreement, I'm with you 100% on this, friend! (n/t) AZJonnie 16 hrs ago #14
We learn from sharing different points of view Bluetus 15 hrs ago #40
Hear hear!!! AZJonnie 11 hrs ago #50
They literally have the guys name and could probably track down where he lives easily. SSJVegeta 15 hrs ago #31
Yes, they should do that ASAP Bluetus 15 hrs ago #41
In Gov Walz presser he said the guard would be activated to protect ppl from ice. PortTack 16 hrs ago #21
To fight back crimycarny 15 hrs ago #44
What if Washington DC Federalizes them? ... marble falls 17 hrs ago #6
TACO INVOKES INSURRECTION ACT, FEDERALIZES MINNESOTA NG!!!!! marble falls 16 hrs ago #16
He'll try but the felon's already lost too many cases on that. ancianita 15 hrs ago #38
Because Trump and Noem are sending in more CBP agents ancianita 17 hrs ago #9
Trump's CABAL popsdenver 15 hrs ago #33
This is progressoid 17 hrs ago #11
Well, buckle up folks, this is gonna get interesting real fast ashredux 17 hrs ago #12
Sure enough did, TACO just Federalized the Minnesota NG. marble falls 16 hrs ago #17
Link? Igel 16 hrs ago #25
It was a flash on my news feed. Give it a little time. marble falls 16 hrs ago #27
Get a better newsfeed. Yours has been produced by idiots. ancianita 14 hrs ago #46
The governor, waltz, did so.... ashredux 15 hrs ago #29
NO! STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION! THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED! ancianita 15 hrs ago #39
I'm still not seeing anything on that.You know where you saw it Tribetime 14 hrs ago #48
Are they going to be armed with live rounds? NickB79 16 hrs ago #15
Good, it will help keep the peace and keep the feds out mysteryowl 16 hrs ago #19
Maybe some can be on high school grounds womanofthehills 15 hrs ago #34
TACO just invoked the Insurrection Act. He Federalized the MNG. marble falls 16 hrs ago #20
Where do you see that? drray23 16 hrs ago #24
Nowhere. ancianita 15 hrs ago #43
Link, please? EuterpeThelo 15 hrs ago #30
DISINFORMATION. STOP IT. ancianita 15 hrs ago #42
Message auto-removed Name removed 3 hrs ago #52
"protecting critical infrastructure and maintaining public safety" flvegan 16 hrs ago #22
Remember what Masha Gesson (sp?) said, based on her russian experience? SamuelTheThird 15 hrs ago #32
Here we go. nt wiggs 16 hrs ago #23
I'm curious... Maj. Dude 16 hrs ago #26
Here's some reading for you on ICE. This stuff can be found in five minutes online. If you're on a phone, maybe not. ancianita 14 hrs ago #47
To What End? OC375 16 hrs ago #28
So I'll only have to walk it back once ... marble falls 12 hrs ago #49
Maybe you should delete the many posts where you spread disinformation with absolute authority MorbidButterflyTat 10 hrs ago #51

drray23

(8,584 posts)
4. to do what?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 05:16 PM
18 hrs ago

Unless he explicitly instructs them to kick ICE out (which is not realistic), they are not going to do anything.
The only advantage I see is that maybe this will stop Trump from trying to activate them himself, since they already will be deployed by the Governor.

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
5. to stop trump from doing what The Guardian says he and Noem are doing --
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 05:28 PM
17 hrs ago
the New York Times reported on Thursday that the Trump administration will deploy more than 100 US Customs and Border Protection agents and officers to Minnesota following the fatal shooting of Good.

The agents will be redirected from operations in Chicago and New Orleans. The deployment is expected to last until Sunday, the newspaper reported, citing documents it obtained.

Noem also stated that ICE operations would continue in Minneapolis, which saw a surge of about 2,000 federal agents this week to target immigrant populations.


Walz likely intends to head them off and turn them back at the state entry points, if that's possible.

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
35. NOT so. Check the law on this.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:49 PM
15 hrs ago

Recent court rulings have established that federal courts can block a president from federalizing a state's National Guard if the specific legal criteria for federal intervention are not met.
A governor can challenge the federalization in court, and courts can support the governor's objection.

2025 cases):
In several cases involving the Trump administration's attempts to deploy the National Guard in California, Oregon, and Illinois, federal courts and an appellate court ruled against the administration.
A federal judge in Oregon ruled that the President "did not have a lawful basis to federalize the National Guard" for the purposes intended.
Courts determined that the circumstances in these cases (protests and immigration enforcement) did not meet the stringent criteria of an "insurrection, rebellion, or obstruction of federal law" as required by the relevant statute (10 U.S.C. § 12406).

The U.S. Supreme Court denied an emergency request by the Trump administration to keep troops in Illinois, upholding a lower court's block on the deployment.

Posse Comitatus Act: Courts note that when federalized, the Guard becomes subject to the Posse Comitatus Act, which generally prohibits the use of federal military forces for domestic law enforcement unless an exception (like the Insurrection Act) is lawfully invoked.

Governor's Authority: These rulings reinforced the principles of federalism, confirming that state governors retain significant authority over their National Guard units when they are not lawfully federalized.

AzTired64

(37 posts)
37. National Guard
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:50 PM
15 hrs ago

Although I consider myself well read person who can hold is own in most conversations, I only have a high school diploma. With that being said, those here who have their J.D. Please answer these questions for me 1) Governor Walz has no authority to stop Federal Officers from entering his state due to the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution? 2) The interstate road system technically falls Federal jurisdiction, yes or no? I am curious.

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
45. You don't have to have a J.D. to read. Here's some info...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:18 PM
14 hrs ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20922124

As for roads, states are under interstate commerce law, so yes, the feds can travel across the country.
I don't know about interstate highway law, but I do know that state roads and state highway patrols are jurisdictionally under state governors.

Bluetus

(2,300 posts)
13. That is my take also. It is a preemptive strike to block Trump.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:12 PM
17 hrs ago

And that's fine.

But we also need to hear from Keith Ellison. It is bullshit for them to say (paraphrasing) "Golly, we can't do anything about prosecuting because the FBI is taking over and not letting us play."

Complete, unadulterated bullshit, and that has to stop.

This manslaughter or murder (it obviously was one of the two) broke state law and must be prosecuted by the state. In many murder cases, they couldn't get very far if the FBI confiscated all the forensics. But you don't need any damn forensics in this case. There are videos that show everything there is to see. This case could literally go to court tomorrow if Jonathan Ross was in custody. There is nothing to investigate. It is all right there on video.

And there are plenty of eyewitnesses that the state can easily interview because they live in the area. They don't need the freaking FBI, and the FBI cannot stop MN from moving ahead with prosecution.

So please, Ellison, Walz, and Mayor Frey, stop this bullshit right now. Do your damned job.

Bluetus

(2,300 posts)
40. We learn from sharing different points of view
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:58 PM
15 hrs ago

I believe DU makes a good effort to maintain an atmosphere where we can have honest exchanges, and that is so much better than living in a Fox bubble.

And it is that selfsame bubble that is killing our society now, literally killing as of yesterday. We learned from Noem's own Botox lips that this guy has a history of excessive force.

There is strong tendency among elected Dems and their consultants to "play it safe, don't take the bait, don't take a strong position, don't let them pin you down. Lay low and we'll get through this. The system will right itself. Clearer heads will prevail." That might be good advice in normal times.

These are not normal times. We must think of this as if we are at war for the very existence of our democracy, because we are -- and we are losing it.

We can't just lash out randomly. We have to be smart about it. But this is a clear case where powerful action is needed and available to us. Being "Minnesota nice" is not the answer this time.

Here is Ellison on CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-attorney-general-fbi-ellison-digvid

He ever-so-gently says he can do his own investigation. That is a baby step in the right direction,, but I would have preferred if he had come in with:

Look, we have all seen at least some of the videos. There are a bunch of them, and they all tell the same story. There is no question what happened here. There is literally nothing that needs investigation at the crime scene. We can and will look into the victim's actions at the scene. And we will dig into the killer's background as much as we can -- that would be much better if the FBI joined with us. But if they aren't interested in investigating then we will proceed without them. In the end, it appears this case will boil down to whether the victim posed any serious threat to anyone on the scene. Every indication from the video is that she was unarmed and attempting to remove herself from the confrontation when she was shot 3 times in the head at point-blank range. And let us be 100% clear. There is no legal basis for an officer or anyone else shooting into a vehicle in order to stop the movement of the vehicle or to prevent the driver from leaving unless there was a clear indication that the driver posed a mortal, immediate danger to others. That's the law. It looks very clear cut here, but we'll investigate before charging. I call on the FBI to join us in this investigation immediately and surrender the shooter to state authorities without delay.


SSJVegeta

(2,322 posts)
31. They literally have the guys name and could probably track down where he lives easily.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:36 PM
15 hrs ago

Use the footage to get a warrant and he’s officially a fugitive.

Bluetus

(2,300 posts)
41. Yes, they should do that ASAP
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:02 PM
15 hrs ago

He probably has fled to Texas or Florida where he thinks he will not be surrendered for extradition.

But that is tomorrow's problem. One step at a time. A murderer is on the loose and it should be pursued like any other murderer-at-large case.

crimycarny

(2,003 posts)
44. To fight back
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:16 PM
15 hrs ago

I think a lot of us are frustrated, I know I am, with so many of the Democratic leadership doing nothing to fight back, versus getting on TV and saying how "disappointed" they are (Schumer). At least Walz isn't giving up without a fight, which it appears so many in the Democratic leadership are.

Trump is your typical bully who often backs down when he is pushed back on by someone he senses he can't push around. Gavin Newsom is a perfect example of that.

Trump has lost in court on this issue several times now; maybe he won't want another loss, as narcissists can't stand that.

I guess we'll see. I certainly hope Walz wins this battle.

marble falls

(71,104 posts)
6. What if Washington DC Federalizes them? ...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 05:28 PM
17 hrs ago
https://www.nationalguard.mil/Portals/31/Documents/FEDERALIZATION-OF-GUARD-UP-TO-2025.pdf

On at least ten occasions since World War II, the President has mobilized National Guard troops for
missions within the borders of the U.S. and retained them under federal authority. All these instances would fall
within the broad confines of the Constitution, which authorizes the President to call up the militia "to execute the
Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." (Article I, Section 8, Clause 15)
Three earlier mobilizations, (Whiskey Rebellion, Dorr's Rebellion, and Mexican Border) also demonstrate
federal use of troops for these purposes and are discussed here.

-snip-

1967 Detroit Riots -23 July to 2 August 1967. Authorized by Executive Order 11364. 10,253 Michigan Army National Guard
federally mobilized.

1968 -King Assassination Riots -1,854 DC Guard, 5-16 April 68 (Executive Order 11403 of April 5, 1968). 7,174
Illinois Guard in Chicago, 7-11 April 68 (Executive Order 11404 of April 7, 1968). 5,783 Maryland National Guard in
Baltimore, 7-12 April 68 (Executive Order 11405 of April 7, 1968). Total 14,811 federalized.

1970 -New York City Postal Strike -24 March 70 -?? April 70. Authorized by Executive Order 11519 of 23 March
70. 28,100 total Active and Reserve (26,273 reserve, of which 10,845 ARNG and 1,876 ANG). More than 1,000
troops delivered mail in NYC's financial district; the rest sorted mail and kept strikers from interfering with delivery.

1989 -Virgin Islands (Hurricane Hugo) -Initially, beginning on 16 Sept, a Territorial mobilization. On Sept. 20, 1989, via
Executive Order 12690, President Bush invoked the Insurrection Act to federalize the National Guard to impose order
following violence and looting in the wake of Hurricane Hugo. Virgin Islands reported 954 Army National Guard and 29 Air
National Guard personnel mobilized for Fiscal Year 1989.

1992 -LA (Rodney King) Riots -11,398 California Guard. At first a state active duty call up, but after two days, President
Bush invoked the Insurrection Act and called the Guard into federal service: Executive Order 12804, May 1, 1992. Virtually
the entire 40 th Infantry Division was mobilized.


2025 - Los Angeles (Immigration & Customs Enforcement protests) - President Donald Trump invokes an Executive
Order and cites 12406 Title 10 USC, on 7 June 2025, placing 2,000 of the California National Guard under federal service.
First invocation of this provion.

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
9. Because Trump and Noem are sending in more CBP agents
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 05:31 PM
17 hrs ago
the New York Times reported on Thursday that the Trump administration will deploy more than 100 US Customs and Border Protection agents and officers to Minnesota following the fatal shooting of Good.

The agents will be redirected from operations in Chicago and New Orleans. The deployment is expected to last until Sunday, the newspaper reported, citing documents it obtained.

Noem also stated that ICE operations would continue in Minneapolis, which saw a surge of about 2,000 federal agents this week to target immigrant populations.

popsdenver

(1,561 posts)
33. Trump's CABAL
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:41 PM
15 hrs ago

is doing this intentionally to aggravate the citizens to exhibit violence so he can use the insurrection act and declare martial law, therefore using the U.S. Military against it's citizens by also repealing the Posse Commatatus Act......

It will be interesting to see what is going on in Portland.....coincidentally another BLUE State.......

They will escalate this increasingly until the MAGA's take to the streets with their weapons to help the feds out...

It pleases me greatly that the FBI has taken over the Minneapolis shooting.......SARCASM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bimbo Bondi and Krusty Noem.........what a pair of *****...................

Igel

(37,369 posts)
25. Link?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:51 PM
16 hrs ago

Because a searches on various sites with either general or specific search terms pulls up goose eggs. Not the kind you could scramble and eat (assuming they're palatable--haven't tried).

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
39. NO! STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION! THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:56 PM
15 hrs ago
No, President Trump has not federalized the Minnesota National Guard. Control of the state's National Guard remains with Governor Tim Walz.

Recent updates on the situation:
1.
Governor Walz issued a "warning order" on January 7, 2026, to prepare the Minnesota National Guard for potential deployment, an action under his state authority. He explicitly stated that Minnesota does not need federal help from President Trump or Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.


2.
Federal immigration enforcement operations are currently active in Minneapolis and the wider Twin Cities area, with the Department of Homeland Security launching a major operation on January 6, 2026. These operations involve federal agents, not the federalized Minnesota National Guard.

3.
The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled against the Trump administration's efforts to deploy federalized National Guard troops in other cities like Chicago without the state governor's consent, finding a lack of legal authority for such actions under the circumstances presented.

4.
President Trump has backed off pushes to federalize the Guard in Los Angeles, Chicago, and Portland following various legal setbacks.


5.
The authority to activate the National Guard under state command for domestic crises rests with the state governor. The President can only federalize the guard under specific circumstances like an insurrection or foreign invasion, typically after invoking the Insurrection Act, which has not happened for the situation in Minnesota.

womanofthehills

(10,715 posts)
34. Maybe some can be on high school grounds
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:41 PM
15 hrs ago

Some schools were closed the rest of this week as ICE went to a high school for some teachers and ended up spraying some of the kids.

“Minneapolis schools cancel classes after Border Patrol clash disrupts dismissal at Roosevelt”

The move came after officials at Roosevelt High School said armed U.S. Border Patrol officers came on school property during dismissal Wednesday and began tackling people, handcuffed two staff members and released chemical weapons on bystanders.


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EuterpeThelo

(178 posts)
30. Link, please?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:30 PM
15 hrs ago

As if the murder of Renee Nicole Good (and let's not forget, many before her as well - but, fair or not, her death has been an inflection point more for the media than the previous ones because wh!te woman) - wasn't beyond enough, now with the breaking reports out of Portland, I am really really scared right now.

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
42. DISINFORMATION. STOP IT.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:07 PM
15 hrs ago

No, Donald Trump has not recently invoked the Insurrection Act as of today, January 8, 2026.
While President Trump has repeatedly threatened and "floated" the possibility, HE HAS NOT DONE THIS.

Response to ancianita (Reply #42)

flvegan

(65,776 posts)
22. "protecting critical infrastructure and maintaining public safety"
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:35 PM
16 hrs ago

Nowhere does it say anything about doing Jack Shit about ICE gunning down the citizenry. Anyone who thinks the National Guard is going to do anything to ICE except clear a road or make protestors stay conveniently out of the way is completely delusional.

Hate repeating myself.

SamuelTheThird

(591 posts)
32. Remember what Masha Gesson (sp?) said, based on her russian experience?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:39 PM
15 hrs ago

Institutions won't save you

Maj. Dude

(34 posts)
26. I'm curious...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:53 PM
16 hrs ago

To know how they (ice) travel. Fly, crew bus, U-haul or personal vehicle?
Because what I see on TV in a 5 second clip makes it difficult to stop them at a state line.

ancianita

(42,900 posts)
47. Here's some reading for you on ICE. This stuff can be found in five minutes online. If you're on a phone, maybe not.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:31 PM
14 hrs ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement

ICE themselves don't travel. They have offices and operations centers all over the country.
But this is how they generally transport detained folks...

Detainees might be bused between facilities or to airports for flights.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) transports people primarily through its Air Operations (IAO) division, using chartered aircraft (like Boeing 737s) and commercial airlines for domestic transfers to detention facilities and international removals to countries of origin, often coordinating with foreign governments and using brokers like CSI Aviation to manage flights, while also employing other methods like tracking vehicles via ALPRs.

ICE uses Automatic License Plate Readers (ALPRs) to track vehicles and gather data on where people live, work, or travel, as explained in this handout.

OC375

(446 posts)
28. To What End?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:56 PM
16 hrs ago

There isn't much they can do, is there? If the intent is to have them shoot back at ICE in MSP, I don't think that's going to happen. If the intent is to have them physically fight/block/rumble with ICE Agents in MSP, I really don't see that happening either. They aren't cops, at least not beat cops in the traditional sense either, so I'm not sure they'll be saying "Hands up, let that guy go, you're under arrest!" to ICE agents, nor "You can't be here, you're under arrest" except maybe on state property? I don't see them renditioning ICE agents either.

marble falls

(71,104 posts)
49. So I'll only have to walk it back once ...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:20 PM
12 hrs ago

... My newsfeed gave me a partial head line

"Trump invoking "insurrection act"... "

I finally found it:

Trump Invoking ‘Insurrection Act’ Speculation Grows After ICE Shooting

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-insurrection-act-ice-shooting-walz-11328894

My apologies for any confusion.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,189 posts)
51. Maybe you should delete the many posts where you spread disinformation with absolute authority
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 12:36 AM
10 hrs ago

based on a bogus partial "news" feed.

That is NOT cool.

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