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Why There Will Be Almost No Movie Theaters in 5 Years
by Miles Mogulescu | December 24, 2025 - 6:02am
Whether Netflix or Paramount wins the battle of mega-corporations to merge with the fabled Warner Bros. movie studio, the economics of the film industry no longer support the production of enough feature films for most movie theaters to still be viable businesses. Within a few years, the theatrical feature film will be all but dead with devastating cultural, social, political, and economic impact.
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A large portion of the public rightly figures that theres no point in rushing out to theater to see a new feature for $15 or more a ticket plus parking and popcorn when they can see it at home at in a few weeks. Most theatrical films no longer pencil out.
While there were recently six major studios (plus mini majors), after Warner Bros. is sold (following other recent anti-competitive mergers like Disney buying Fox) there will only be four left.
With the collapsed distribution windows, its no longer feasible for those four studios to produce enough theatrical features to keep movie theaters in business. In 2025 over 100 films received a major theatrical release with inflation-adjusted box office revenues of over $15 billion while in 2024 they crashed to only 62 films with box office revenues of about $8.6 billions. Over 5,000 movie theaters have already closed their doors in the last couple of years.
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Art is now called content and is treated as an asset class to be bought and sold by mega-corporations like theyre real estate towers or meme coins. Roughly 2-hour dramas in 3 acts have been inspiring communal audiences for about 2500 years since the Greeks but theyre about to largely disappear from theaters, to the detriment of the entire culture. This is ushering in an age with little originality or surprise and general cultural stagnation. The sale of Warners will only accelerate this trend.
As James Cameron, director of Titanic and Avatar recently said, it will be a disaster.
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http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/miles-mogulescu/115772/why-there-will-be-almost-no-movie-theaters-in-5-years
dalton99a
(91,859 posts)FalloutShelter
(14,144 posts)There is nothing equivalent to seeing a movie on the big screen. This is the death of not movies
content creators will continue to call them that
this is the death of Cinema.
The arts are dying.As an author and an artist this is really depressing to me.
As if I need to be more depressed.
GreatGazoo
(4,421 posts)Other things that "Ended" the theater business:
1914 - the outbreak of WW1
1922 - the beginning of free radio broadcasts
1925 - the Fatty Arbuckle scandal
1927 - the end of silent movies and many stars of that era
1929 - the Wall St take-over of Hollywood
1934 - the Depression
1942 - WW2 and the commandeering of studios
1948 - the beginning of free TV broadcasts
1955 - destruction of studio backlots
1963 - the end of MGM, "end of musicals as a genre"
1968 - beginning of MPAA ratings and porn
1969 - the failure of 'Hello Dolly' and "Star!'
1970 - death of the Western as a genre
1976 - VHS piracy
1978 - HBO and satellite TV
1979 - the failure of "Ishtar"
1984 - DVD piracy
1996 - internet piracy
2020 - Covid lockdowns
2023 - casting Rachel Zegler as Snow White
Box office for 2025 is +2% YoY from 2024:
https://deadline.com/2025/12/box-office-christmas-avatar-anaconda-marty-supreme-song-sung-blue-1236655872/
babylonsister
(172,551 posts)We went to see Nuremberg a month or so ago. They were charging $6 for tap water, the theater was freezing and the volume was ear-drum shattering. We won't be going back. I will in future wait until I can watch from the comfort of my home.
I guess we'll see.
GreatGazoo
(4,421 posts)Movie attendance in the US peaked around 1918 when people saw on average 3 films per week (!) Now under 10% of population will go to one movie in any given week. So the decline has been long and the business is not really expanding but film going is a ritual. The number of theaters will adjust to demand but we are entering a preservation phase that embraces the experience of movie going as unique and social. Directors and other enthusiasts have made big investments to keep some of the most legendary theaters going.
I hope you can find a decent theater to see films you are interested in.
aggiesal
(10,521 posts)The last time I went to the movies was in 2023 to see Killers of the Flower Moon (Excellent movie).
I've been going to more live theater than movie theaters.
Back to Nuremberg, online the tickets cost $8.99 + service fee, so I didn't order online.
When I went to the theater, there were only about a dozen cars in the lot.
When I entered the theater, there were no ticket sellers, only ticket kiosks and it took me to the same website when ordering online. The price is $8.99 but no service fee. I expected to pay $15 - $20. And all seats were reserved seating and all were still available.
The concessions were outrageous priced, but that was expected.
When I walked into the theater I was the only one. The screen was blanked.
The movie was scheduled for 9:15 pm. At 9 pm commercials started to play
The same commercials you see on TV. Then at 9:15 pm the trailers started.
Right around that time 2 more people arrived, for a total of 3 people.
Remember the scheduled movie time was 9:15 pm.
Well for the next 30 minutes trailer after trailer ... played
After 9:30 pm, each new trailer annoyed me.
Movie started at 9:45 pm, which really p1$$ed me off.
Yes the volume was way too loud, but the movie was great.
Didn't get out of the theater until after midnight. I probably was the last person out, because I couldn't find 1.employee.
Is the theater experience dying?
I believe it is.
GreatGazoo
(4,421 posts)Just curious.
The theaters near me are regional. Three are run by one non-profit group and the closest one is owned by a millionaire and run by the same family that has a drive-in 10 miles north of here. I pay $11 for most screenings or $5 or discount day which is Tuesday at the close one or Wednesday at the three others. Beer is $6, popcorn is $4
We just restored the one in Saugerties to a version of a 1920s facade and marquis. Very vibrant film scene here. Lots of screenings with Q&A. Festivals, revivals, art house.
https://www.upstatefilms.org/film-series-2
There is an AMC complex 30 miles away and it is more like what you describe -- kiosks, too many ads, too many trailers but if you add 15 minutes to the "start" time you can miss most of that.
aggiesal
(10,521 posts)I'm betting you're small town, rural maybe.
The big money are in the "Cineplex".
Big movies on multiple screens with multiple times, almost like a cattle call.
I would consider Nuremberg a big budget movie, yet only 3 of us in the theater.
Bev54
(13,156 posts)older films and classics, the popcorn is reasonably priced and all profits go to charity. They could not compete with the new large theatre. It is now full for the films as people get to enjoy a movie on the large screen and know they are giving to charity. I thought it was a brilliant idea.
lonely bird
(2,712 posts)Collapse of competition always causes price increases and many times quality decreases
Of more impact will be increased digital tech. Think Ready Player One and its Oasis.
The techs that developed in the list you presented were part of the so-called forward movement of tech. In and of themselves they could not accomplish what is on the horizon. VR, holography, AI will all impact the circuses part of bread and circuses. For that is what entertainment is. Its existence is to keep the masses focused away from wealth transfer.
GreatGazoo
(4,421 posts)than he offers yet it is still here. It IS competing with tech developments. It is always pushed forward in order to compete. Sync sound was developed 20 years before The Jazz Singer but there was no reason to adopt it until radio started to take away film audiences. Wide screen was done in 1897. 70mm was done in 1928 but neither of those was adopted until the 1950s or so.
He sets a time limit of 5 years but theater revenue has increased recently. And more theaters are being adopted by non-profits which don't need the kind of revenue that chains do. I'm confident that movie theaters will be operating in 2030. This is our brand new "old" facade:
https://www.dailyfreeman.com/2025/11/21/doors-tribute-band-to-perform-at-orpheum-theatre-in-saugerties-on-dec-7/
hlthe2b
(112,641 posts)I only go occasionally, but when I have, crowds have noticeable dwindled (and not just during the day). That is not just Denver, but suburbs and northern Colorado.
gay texan
(3,148 posts)The remaking of "The Magnificent Seven"
ProfessorGAC
(75,712 posts)Besides, it was a remake of a remake!
Though I prefer Mag 7 over 7 Samurai.
LearnedHand
(5,227 posts)One of my favorite Larsen comics is when the guy gets to hell and the video library has only Ishtar.
Javaman
(65,055 posts)I think they will fall into the "boutique" category.
newdeal2
(4,701 posts)Most theaters around here have turned into the "luxury" or experiential type. I'm pretty sure those will survive, but no we won't be seeing new giant 30 screen theaters with cheap tickets again.
Also, the author forgets Hollywood isn't the only game in town. I see a lot of chains offering foreign films, especially from India, which is a different revenue stream.
ChazInAz
(2,992 posts)We have a co-op cinema: The Loft, right on Speedway, our main drag. It's a great place that shows foreign films, art films, festivals, etc.. Tickets are just a little pricey for non-members, but I can count on them not wasting our time on superhero dreck.
Auggie
(32,821 posts)I remember milk delivery, gas station attendants, green stamps, typewriters, rotary phones, rabbit ears, a morning newspaper ...
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Pluvious
(5,200 posts)KS Toronado
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Bev54
(13,156 posts)in the summer. I loved going to the drive-in and took my grandchildren to the one in my old home town so they could experience it at least once.
KS Toronado
(22,928 posts)Ours was only open spring, summer, & fall.
IbogaProject
(5,566 posts)And some theatres are starting to offer a subscription, fixed monthly fee for ~3 movies per week. And a new emergent theatre type are E-Sports venues. Piracy hasn't been the cause of theatre and music sales declines rather the growth of video game expendatures is where those "lost revenues" have gone. Total media sales are still increasing.
DinahMoeHum
(23,325 posts). . .but that's because they are also restaurants/bars featuring movies.
Other movie theaters that will survive will be the small "arty" picture houses that will also serve as panel discussion forums for the films or as fundraisers for the topics involved.
PM me for further info on several good ones in my area.
Hugin
(37,324 posts)Its the only way that statement shows a decline.
Ol Janx Spirit
(614 posts)I checked the article and it does actually say, "in 2025 over 100 films received a major theatrical release with inflation-adjusted box office revenues of over $15 billion while in 2024 they crashed to only 62 films with box office revenues of about $8.6 billions."
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/
It looks like it peaked in 2018 at just under $12 billion (not inflation adjusted,) but other than that the numbers would not suggest that anything has really "crashed."
I don't know how to pull major theatrical releases, but overall releases are only slightly down.
It only takes one or two big franchises to drive revenue over a several year period, and as long as theatres continue to offer what you can't get at home--a very large screen, immersive sound, etc.--I really do not see them going away.
Theatres in my area are still upgrading and new ones are being built. That does not suggest that they will be gone in five years.
And the obvious flaw in that citation of data suggests to me that the author, Miles Mogulescu, does not pay enough attention to what he says to be taken seriously.
Maybe that's why his profile page says simply, "Page not found."
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/profile/miles-mogulescu
Hugin
(37,324 posts)I smell AI.
*insert screenshot from Blade Runner*
Theres no doubt that the entire structure of entertainment has and is shifting. I have to wonder if one measure, Box Office, is adequate to make broad assertions about the health of the industry any longer.
Thanks for linking to some actual stats.
hunter
(40,329 posts)maybe here:
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/will-movie-theaters-survive
His writing is all over the place.
Crowman2009
(3,394 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 25, 2025, 11:44 AM - Edit history (1)
We have an independent theater here in town named Capri which not only shows movies, but has concerts, lectures and virtual art exhibits as well. It helps theaters to have different types of entertainment in these venues. The same way they did up to the 1920's before movies were the only attraction.
milestogo
(22,454 posts)I'd rather watch a good movie in the theater than at home. But the theatres are putting themselves out of business. The price of tickets and of refreshments is just too much.
PJMcK
(24,659 posts)We will see how technology continues to change entertainment and how audiences consume it.
In fact, there are more options for entertainment than ever before. Business models change but the desire for diversions never ceases.
Back when Napster assaulted the music business, it was predicted that it was the end of music yet today there are far more choices for listeners. Certainly the digital evolution has caused tremendous changes but the art form and its business is still thriving. Its just different than it was.
Coping with change is hard but accurately predicting the future is harder. One amazing thing about humans is our ability to adapt to change. Its part of how evolution works.
All my opinion, of course. For reference, Ive enjoyed a nearly 50 year career in music and its been good to me and Ive been good to it, Id like to think.
hunter
(40,329 posts)Increasingly sophisticated Computer Generated Imagery and AI isn't making things any better.
It's obvious that many movies start as a "concept" for some "product" and start rolling before they have any story to tell. Sometimes these movies can be saved in production, more often they cannot.
I don't think cinema will go away entirely, it will however begin to resemble live theater in it's distribution, everything from high school productions to big city movie houses; stories that are heavier than the usual "casual viewing" and "how to" content of YouTube and similar sites.
Here in the twenty first century anyone with a decent camera and computer can make a movie. The ability to tell a compelling story is rare.
gulliver
(13,699 posts)The last time I went to a movie was last year. About thirty minutes in, a group of about five teen girls seated themselves about 20 feet away. There were only a few other people in the audience. The teen girls immediately pulled out their phones. They were also talking and laughing. They weren't watching the movie at all.
I turned toward them and made eye contact, letting them know they were spoiling the movie. They paid no attention. Theater staff made no attempt to enforce the rules that had been plainly shown before the movie. "No phones. No talking." I walked out. Down about $40.
SMH. I blame the theater management. But they're probably under such financial pressure that they don't feel they can kick out poorly raised teens and yahoos. The teens probably buy a ticket to another movie and then switch around to whatever movie has low attendance to live it up.
Wonder Why
(6,520 posts)Overpriced movies.
Even more overpriced junk food
Terrible movies that are just hyped to death that you can wait to see until they are on Tubi for free.
Lots of promos and ads while you wait to see the main feature
Zackzzzz
(247 posts)The one I remember was a visual of being the driver in a car.
It started down a country road and what appeared over the road
was the opening crawl, the name of the writer, the producer, the driver, the.........
and as you went down the road the names never ended.
This was before Star Wars.
Wonder Why
(6,520 posts)When you got 2 full movies - the main feature plus a "B" picture
When you got Movietone News + main picture
When you got a bunch of cartoons + main picture
wolfie001
(6,965 posts)And that happened quite a few years ago.
Omaha Steve
(108,324 posts)I enjoy going to the theater.
OS
Zackzzzz
(247 posts)Some man with a very long spine sat in front of me, I'm 5'1".
And someone behind me coughed and sneezed through the whole movie.
I saw the periphery of the movie and came down with something quite nasty.
But on the good side, because I was sick for two weeks, I lost 6 pounds.
moonshinegnomie
(3,827 posts)No real desire to go again. Ill wait till I can stream it. The cost of going to a theater between tickets and snacks just isnt worth it
bucolic_frolic
(53,820 posts)The public can no longer determine the difference between fantasy and reality. Hence the situation we are in today.
Sneederbunk
(17,218 posts)ret5hd
(22,133 posts)all the cots would roll down towards the screen and be all jammed together.
Initech
(107,248 posts)I went to one of the restaurants nearby it and saw a guy wearing a shirt from the church and a "Make America Great Again" hat, that told me everything that I needed to know.
Aristus
(71,558 posts)The film was "1917'; a very good film, which I enjoyed very much. I would have enjoyed it more if it weren't for the couple (of paralyzingly brainless, subhuman wastes of protoplasm) sitting next to me in a sold-out theater.
They talked out loud the entire time; they had nothing to say, and chose to say it as loud and for as prolonged a period as they could. Their fortress-thick skulls were impervious to dirty looks, shh-ing, and more than a few whispered "Could you please be quiet?"'s. I would have walked out except for the riveting narrative of "1917". I couldn't believe these two festering turds with vocal cords had bothered to slither out of their tar-paper shack in order to come watch a new-fangled moving-picture show. When they could have just stayed home and talked to the moldy, rotting walls.
As you can probably tell, this was not the kind of experience I will choose to pay for again. If the obnoxious, rude, empty-headed blitherers won't stay home for their entertainment, I sure as hell will. The more I see of squalid, substandard humanity, the more I understand hermits and mountain men. Who wants to pay to spend time around these jerkwads?
Farewell, movie theaters; no way but this...
Initech
(107,248 posts)The movie is amazing, it should be nominated for Best Picture. Daniel Craig gave a Best Actor worthy performance, and Josh Brolin did as Best Supporting Actor, and Rian Johnson should get Best Director. But I can't help but wonder what it would be like if it was released to theaters and had actual audiences lining up instead of being on Netflix.
It will be absolutely wild when the DBO numbers are no longer a measure for the success of a movie.
babylonsister
(172,551 posts)thought it was kind of boring.
J_William_Ryan
(3,290 posts)Nonsense.
Creative originality will simply move from the big screen to the small its already been happening for years. Some of the best offerings where created for streaming services.
Hey Joe
(378 posts)Has just about ruined everything in this country.
Private equity, venture capitalism, mergers and acquisitions, monopolies and oligopolies.
Vulture capitalism is ruining the character of this nation and limiting the freedom of choice for all people.
AllyCat
(18,467 posts)I thought I was the only one until my family started asking if I had extras.
Popcorn and 2 sodas as a special are nearing $30.
Idiot theatergoers on their phones.
Have to bring a blanket even in summer because its so cold in there.
We go maybe once a year.
flvegan
(65,685 posts)I know, but many from the last thread on this topic, the typical prices were just...stupid.
MichMan
(16,546 posts)Hollywood seems to have lost its creative originality, after seeing remake after remake of either previous movies or iconic television shows. We haven't been into a movie theater in decades.
.
Jack Valentino
(4,265 posts)"Fahrenheit 9/11", later also saw a special limited viewing of 'Cool Hand Luke'
because my father invited me to attend it with him...
Now of course I had heard of 'Cool Hand Luke' but had never seen it or heard anything else--
I imagined it to be a cowboy-gunslinger movie....
so imagine my shock to be viewing a 'prison movie'!
I was like, "Dad, you invited me to see a prison movie?"
I never got a satisfactory response, possibly he had no idea either. LOL
I WAS just recently realizing that movies are practically never advertised on
regular broadcast channels anymore, or at least I hardly ever see any ads for them---
not like the old days.... There is precisely ONE movie which I recall being
"showing on Christmas Day" but I can't remember what it is...
Since I don't get a local newspaper anymore, I don't even know what is playing.
Seems only the top prospects get any media exposure,
or at least the media that I view,
and I rarely see advertisements for movies on the internet either
(or they pass under my radar)....
Possibly I would have a better idea if I were 'dating',
but I haven't been dating for many years,
and was conditioned not to go to the movies by myself, except at home....
(and to wait for them to come out on video)
so from my personal perspective, the supposition of the OP's article is likely quite correct!
Intractable
(1,576 posts)... no pause button. I gotta pea!
Next, no rewind button. What? What he say?
People making noise. People checking their phones. What the f*ck are they doing in the last row?
Paying $20 for a movie and being shown commercials.
It's too loud or not loud enough.
I have a big 4K TV. I subscribe to a different streamer each month.
Just finished a month of HBO Max. There was nothing else I wanted to see.
Now it's a free month of Paramount. They offered it to me if only I'd come back.
I recently upgraded my six year old LG TV by fronting it with an Apple TV box. The picture quality via the Apple box is outstandingly excellent. The apps in the LG (e.g., for HBO Max are not nearly as good).
DFW
(59,694 posts)Im not sure the Trumpanzees understood how critical it was of them.
The last really cool movie theater experience I had was seeing Avatar in 3D in New York. That was (I think) in 2009. Since then, I occasionally go out to a theater with Dallas friends. They have a decidedly different taste from my own. It was some film with constant explosions and fast vehicles of some sort. You could order food brought to your seat. The guy who organized the outing used to be worth almost $100 millionnow $20 million less (still plenty to a peon like me), but hes not a cheapskate, and he insists on paying for everything, so I dont recall what the food cost. Im sure it was neither fresh nor cheap. There was room in the theater for hundreds of people. I dont think there were fifty in there. After the food, I think I slept through half of the rest. I woke up on occasion when the explosions stopped, and some dialog occurred.
fujiyamasan
(1,135 posts)The medium changes. The industry adapts.
The big difference is the audiences are more fragmented than ever. The economics dont support a theater to screen a film with like five people in it so the ticket prices are jacked up. Of course its concessions where the margins are anyways. In the end, for two people youre out around 50-75 bucks in a major metro if youre lucky.
And if youre already paying for streaming services its impossible to justify the additional cost. At home, I can watch with subtitles, adjust the volume as I like, grab myself a beer at anytime, pause to take a piss, and ultimately can watch in the privacy of my own home.