For the RFK junior apologists HERE who argue with us when we say

[Eliot Rosewater]

Kennedy is going to kill millions of us, according to this expert, foremost expert his mRNA decision alone is the most dangerous public healthcare decision in history.

No, millions may not die right away from this strain of Covid but they will from the bird flu and other pandemics that he will prevent vaccines from being prepared for in fact he will prevent all vaccines like we have said for months😡😡😡

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[Starbeach]

1. Hearing?

Any chance of getting Sen. Cassidy to hold a Senate hearing on this and demand RFK show up? I of course have no faith in Cassidy, but he has criticized the RFK decision, and the backlash to the loss of mRNA tech is only growing.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. Isn't it remarkable to watch the entire Republican Party do nothing

Most of them know what this piece of shit is doing is disastrous and will eventually kill millions and yet they don’t say a word. they could stop it.

[NotHardly]

38. US under death sentence with the Rs in charge.

[Attilatheblond]

44. GOP office holders want to force women to give birth but won't protects the alread born

Typical. They seem to like people very young and ignorant.

[spanone]

10. Cassidy voted for him.

CASSIDY DELIVERS FLOOR SPEECH IN SUPPORT OF RFK, JR. TO BE HHS SECRETARY
https://www.cassidy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cassidy-delivers-floor-speech-in-support-of-rfk-jr-to-be-hhs-secretary/

[Starbeach]

13. Yes

I'm aware of that, but he still chairs the committee and has the power to open up discussion on this drastic demented move by RFK.

[MadameButterfly]

25. Yeah, he was our hope

Had the medical knowledge to know better. That was when he had a chance to make a difference. i guess he's under Trump's thumb like everyone else.

[H2O Man]

2. Who?

Where do you see RFK Jr "apologists HERE"?

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Oh shit just tried to do a link and it won't work try again

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20551259

[NNadir]

23. Oh. Why am I not surprised?

One of the features that makes DU a wonderful place is the availability of the "ignore" feature.

It's really wonderful for dealing with antiscience types who show up here.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. It's like a stand-up comedian who hears waves of laughter and see one person not laughing

And that’s all they can think about, Gilbert Gottfried used to talk about that and other stand-up comedians.

Here I pay too much attention to the few people who say things like no Donald Trump is not a traitor don’t I understand the meaning of the word, no maga won’t sign on to hurting other Americans don’t I know what I’m talking about what’s wrong with me etc. or the legal folks who assure us the Supreme Court won’t overturn Roe or give him immunity etc.

It’s not healthy for me anyway to post because I do it with probably too much passion, unfortunately I’m always predicting terrible horrible things and unfortunately they are always coming true, it’s not good for me.

[NNadir]

31. I understand. I have been at times been the same. That said...

...the "ignore" feature is my friend and I thus recommend my friend to a friend.

There is a certain amount of woo-woo that leaches through MIRT.

The overwhelming membership here knows that RFK is an ignorant slimy nutcase.

I'm proud to say I knew it long ago, way back in those halycon days when his stupidity was limited to his tenure as riverkeeper on the Hudson River.

He's a living walking demonstration that heroin is bad for you.

[Eliot Rosewater]

32. If the apologists are human being my sincere hope is the first casualties of

This horrific disgusting piece of human garbage RFK Junior are their family members or them personally.

I am sure they would have no problem with this because they expressed a certainty that there is no issue so I assume they are fine with my sincere hope.

Better them and their families than us and our families because we have done nothing wrong.

[ShazzieB]

39. For what it's worth, i think RFK Jr apologists are few and far between here.

I really believe they are greatly in the minority at DU.

There is at least one antivaxx troll who keeps popping up to defend him, but they always get banned pretty fast, because most DU members are very quick to alert on their posts. That right there says a lot about how most of us here feel about that insanity, imo.

[sheshe2]

46. Ah! LG...

Still coming here to defending the love of her life.

[ShazzieB]

54. Ah yes.

She can't stand it when anyone criticizes her precious Bobby! Which reminds me of a song...

[sheshe2]

55. Dayum, it would be great if you could post that to her!!!

Well, she does return to the scene of the crime...so maybe!!!

[ShazzieB]

57. If the opportunity ever arises, i will becmore than happy to do it! 😁

I tend to miss her brief appearances more often than not, but maybe someday...

[sheshe2]

58. Sounds like a plan.

[ShazzieB]

59. Yep!

[druidity33]

42. Well that link you posted

to reference "RFKjr apologists" on DU... just looks like someone who disagreed with your hyperbolic thread title. I haven't seen a single uterrance on this site that in any way excuses what RFKjr is doing. As the parent of an autistic child i am volcanic with rage at that brainworm riddled fucker. And i would sure as shit call anyone out who might think that brainworm riddled fucker had said or done anything to actually help Humanity.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

61. That is a disgusting thing to say

Especially since you've made very clear who you are snidely insulting and wishing for death.

"If the apologists are human being my sincere hope is the first casualties of This horrific disgusting piece of human garbage RFK Junior are their family members or them personally."

You are all over this board with hair on fire dire warnings and I told you so's, and now this.

You should be ashamed.

[B.See]

56. @Eliot, Fact:

some don't believe fat meat is greasy.

[obamanut2012]

8. Oh, there are a few

[yardwork]

15. There is one at least - very vocal antivaxxer.

Loves RFK, Jr.

[KT2000]

3. Other countries

should pick up the research, I hope.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Can you imagine what a vaccine will cost you in that situation

He will rule that insurance companies don’t have to pay for it, we obviously we know that right.

Just like he’s about to do for all preventive healthcare.

So many Americans have no fucking clue what’s going on and he’s going to kill millions of us and it’s going to start right now.

[SWBTATTReg]

11. Industry gets a tax break in developing the vaccines, like all other research and development projects, perhaps

the medical field needs to move away from depending upon the Feds and solely rely on their business requirements, e.g., focus on those vaccines needed by 100s of millions over the next cycle, etc., eh, supply and demand. Get away from the Feds, tRUMP and JFKjr seem to think that they alone stir the pot. They don't.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. He decides whether a vaccine can be used in this country or not

Other entities and companies could develop 1000 fantastic vaccines to do absolutely everything and he can say that the American people cannot have them.

Do people understand this??????


What RFK Jr. Cannot Do
• Unilaterally ban vaccines or drugs
He does not have the legal authority to outright ban vaccines or medications. That would require congressional legislation or a legally defensible action by the FDA based on safety concerns. 


Read the last sentence above, who doubts he would be backed up by a Maga court to do exactly this?

And even if he wasn’t backed up, you could not afford the vaccine I could not afford it.

[SWBTATTReg]

17. Why are you asking me, if people understand this? I know that the approval process is often tedious and long.

And in your recent posts, you say he could unilaterally declare a vaccine unsafe. Seems far fetched to me. I can't believe that companies would just sit there and allow him to unilaterally reject a vaccine after it cost a company perhaps hundreds of millions to develop (or developed overseas that already had plenty of testing).

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. I wasn't necessarily asking you I was just screaming into the wind hoping people realize what's going on

What RFK Jr. Cannot Do
• Unilaterally ban vaccines or drugs
He does not have the legal authority to outright ban vaccines or medications. That would require congressional legislation or a legally defensible action by the FDA based on safety concerns. 



This is what he can do, read the last sentence, all he needs is a vile Maga or the disgusting traitor Supreme Court to back him up and say goodbye to the vaccine any vaccine, hell for that matter drugs any drugs.

[yardwork]

53. Industry loses money on vaccines.

If the government won't subsidize vaccines, industry won't make them.

Vaccines have made an amazing difference in everyone's lives, but the effort requires government assistance to promote and subsidize their development and manufacture.

[KT2000]

49. Thye are falling all over themselves

to be first in AI but the survival of the population? Nah.

[Deep State Witch]

9. There are Apologists Here?

Seriously? They must be trolls.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. When you type "GROK", do you mean that everything that follows is Musk's AI output?

If so, you're just marking the rest of your post as "Do Not Read". What we need is experts, not AI mush. Especially in a critical area like health.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Exactly, why it is allowed here I don't understand

I wonder if it is AI bot, musk and Putin are very busy with that stuff.

What I worry about is the number of people who fall for this bullshit, I’m trying to call it out but whatever.

[demmiblue]

51. Buh-bye.

[rzemanfl]

52. I hope you enjoyed your visit. n/t

[Celerity]

34. Zero Hedge is far RW CT-pushing, pro-Russian/pro-MAGA (and many of RW shitbags) lunatic fringe site. It is a BAD source.

Zero Hedge is a far-right, libertarian financial blog and news aggregator. Zero Hedge is bearish in its investmentoutlook and analysis, often deriving from a strict adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles. It has been described as a financial "permabear".

Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial political content, including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric, and has advanced radical right, alt-right, and pro-Russia positions. Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to multiple site bans by global social media platforms, although a 2019 Facebook ban and a 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.

Zero Hedge's in-house content is authored by one "Tyler Durden", the pen name of site owner Daniel Ivandjiiski.The motto of the site is posted in the masthead of every page: "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero". The quote is from the book and film Fight Club, which is in turn a paraphrase of economist John Maynard Keynes who said "In the long run we are all dead".

snip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

[markodochartaigh]

48. I remember Zero Hedge

from after the 2008 financial crisis. The blog seemed to really get that the crisis was far worse than was generally admitted. I thought that after the banksters showed up on Capitol Hill to force immediate passage of the $700 billion bailout and the incredible stock market volatility that even the average American could intuitively understand that we were at the edge of a precipice, but that wasn't the case.
Zero Hedge had the level of alarm that Calculated Risk and Naked Capitalism showed.

But reading Zero Hedge would quickly turn up libertarian nonsense that only a reich-winger or trust fund bro could believe. Other financial realist blogs like Automatic Earth eventually devolved to that level, but Zero Hedge was there from the beginning.

[Initech]

20. I've been saying this the last four years now!

It will be like India during COVID but somehow worse.

[Eliot Rosewater]

21. I think I'm done anyway, the majority of the people here

Understand what is going on, they don’t need me yelling about it, they know about it and there’s nothing they can do about it.

There is a percentage of people as you can see right now who are going to go after any thread about this and apologize defend Etc. or just attack me because they say I’m too passionate about things, predicting everything that happens is not fun, but unfortunately I do in about 98% of the time I’m right but only because I predict that they will do the worst possible thing human being can do and they do it 98% of the time, not because I’m smart.

[twodogsbarking]

22. Did he have guns during the time that he admitted abusing hard drugs? You betcha.

[BannonsLiver]

28. The same folks couldn't care less about what Trump is doing to the country.

It's all Gaza, all the time in their world.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. Oh hell yes, Gaza. Or how dare you Hillary not guarantee Medicare for all

For those who have bad intentions it is not me expressing anger at Hillary Clinton it is me pointing out that the people on the left who trashed her is exactly how we got here, if they don’t do that convincing millions not to vote at all we never get here.

[Skittles]

60. THANK YOU

too much, well, BS here

[Torchlight]

30. It's the Podcast University grads who really get under my skin.

Plain ignorance I can tolerate if it just sits there, quietly doing nothing. Even apathy and laziness by definition, rarely cause much trouble. But the bad actors out there hurling random words into the public square, deliberately muddying the waters, are a different breed. As a coworker aptly dubbed them, they’re the “sovereign citizens of medicine”

[Eliot Rosewater]

33. Yes thank you, let me add if you defend RFK Junior at all you are guilty of murder

I am not saying this to you of course I am saying this to the obvious people, couldn’t hate them more if I tried.

I hate them because they’re gonna get my grandkids killed and at this point I can’t stop them I wish they would fucking die

[Kaleva]

47. Climate change is probably going to get your grandkids

10s, more likely hundreds ,of millions around the world will die from the effects of climate change.

Your grandchildren are facing a very bleak future even if Trump never existed.

[thought crime]

62. Yes, very true. But Trump's existence is making climate change worse

Trump does just about everything he can think of to make climate change worse. That could be his greatest crime. Noam Chomsky has called it the greatest crime in history.

[Kaleva]

64. China produces about as much greenhouse gases as all the other industrialized nations combined

And that includes the US.

[UTUSN]

35. K&R

[Eliot Rosewater]

36. Just wanted to tell you that every time I see you you make my day

[UTUSN]

37. Wow, I find myself Reccing almost all your posts I run across!

[SCantiGOP]

40. How about 26 million?

That is the estimate of how many lives have been saved by the global anti-AIDS program the US has operated since the GWH Bush Administration.
Trump tried to shut the program down when he started the second term, and it was halted for a while and will now continue on a reduced basis.
There is no doubt that Trump, or any MAGA President, would never have initiated the program.
There is no real ceiling to how many deaths could occur from a new pathogen with RFK in charge.

[Mblaze]

41. So hurry up and get your "study" done Junior.

mRNA is an important leap in the science of disease control and prevention. Lead, follow or get outta the way.

[Hornedfrog2000]

43. Im terrified they wont let us have a covid vaccine

I work in a hospital, and covid messed me up so bad that I wont be able to work there if they take the vaccine away. I had a really bad immune response. I couldnt work for a month, and I had hives for SIX MONTHS and im talking hives head to toe, working 12 hour shifts with a mask on.

Not to mention, covid attacks highly vascular areas you might not even know would be damaged until you become older. I have seen it attack kidneys, brains, lungs, hearts, etc. People will die down the line from some of these things. Your lungs can handle the scar tissue now, but when you are older and get pneumonia it might end up killing you, because you didnt get vaccinated when were in your 20s. Also, kidneys dont tell you they are dead, until they are dead. We probably have a ton of people with damaged kidneys and we wont know for 20 or 30 years when they start to fail.

It is making me want to leave the country.

[nowforever]

45. The numbers are very clear

You had a 10x greater chance of dying from Covid if you were an unvaccinated person in USA and odds of you developing long Covid were 2x greater if you were not vaccinated. Those numbers are valid as of 1/24. But statistics like these mean nothing when you are made to believe science is part of some master plan to take control of everyone. Crazy thing is it's the conspiracy theories that turn you into the brainwashed zombies not science.

[flvegan]

63. Hold up. We have RFKJr apologists here?

Like here, on DU?

News to me, but thanks for...the heads up, I guess?