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Pototan

(3,011 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 06:35 PM Aug 2025

Here's the deal. Re: Maxwell

I will state up front that what I'm describing here is complete conjecture with no real evidence, just what I would call an "educated guess".

Day one with inmate Ghislaine Maxwell and Todd Blanche:

TB: OK. what do you have for us?"

GM: "Plenty on your boss. I want out. He was on the plane and visited the island at least twenty times. Jeffrey and Donald were fast friends for over ten years. They did a lot of stuff together. If I don't get a pardon, I'll spill the beans. And don't think about a fake suicide, I have a letter burying your boss in a safe location. In fact, in numerous safe locations, just in case."

TB: "Your ultimatum may be difficult to fulfill but tell me what you've got and I'll see what we can do."

GM: Shows copies of her evidence.

Adjourn for day one:

Day two:

TB: "Here's the deal, right from my boss. We can give you a commutation but after the election of 2028 and before his term's end. In the meantime, we'll transfer you, as early as next week, to a 'Club Fed' facility in Texas, where you will serve your time until the commutation, in comfort. This deal is void if you speak one ill word about Donald. Deal?"

GM: "Deal."

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Here's the deal. Re: Maxwell (Original Post) Pototan Aug 2025 OP
Well, duh! WheelWalker Aug 2025 #1
Now tell us what was in the mysterious box misanthrope Aug 2025 #2
It was copies Pototan Aug 2025 #4
FCI Tallahassee is Low Security, not max TheProle Aug 2025 #6
So that means she wanted out of Florida Captain Zero Aug 2025 #27
Sounds plausible. IMO she'll press for sooner release than '28. Foolishly though as... brush Aug 2025 #3
Convicted child sex trafficker given easy treatment/favoritism by convicted sexual abuser. Norrrm Aug 2025 #5
GOP! BidenRocks Aug 2025 #13
For some reason.... FarPoint Aug 2025 #7
The fascist pig won't have to pardon her... EarthAbides Aug 2025 #8
The first half of that escape is unlikely, but possible. Her demise wont' happen InstantGratification Aug 2025 #20
If she was killed while escaping Captain Zero Aug 2025 #26
Well, i kind of agree that this is very possible bluestarone Aug 2025 #41
Either you're clairvoyant or you bugged the room. CanonRay Aug 2025 #9
Knowing the public personalities Pototan Aug 2025 #10
That's about what I was thinking, but didn't think they would wait until 2028. C Moon Aug 2025 #11
No way it can be kept secret Pototan Aug 2025 #16
He doesn't need to pardon her Cosmocat Aug 2025 #12
She will get a yes vote from Thomas and Kavanaugh, at least. nt allegorical oracle Aug 2025 #33
One of T💩p's biographers got a call from someone who said that he got a call from T💩p saying, OMGWTF Aug 2025 #14
Yep. Trueblue Texan Aug 2025 #15
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2025 #17
Thank you, H20 man Pototan Aug 2025 #18
It is what H2O Man Aug 2025 #19
I just feel as though Pototan Aug 2025 #21
She's not going to wait til 2028. Why would she? Arazi Aug 2025 #22
It is possible H2O Man Aug 2025 #23
She does not have "all the cards" Pototan Aug 2025 #24
She'll dole out pieces of incriminating evidence until he's forced to release her Arazi Aug 2025 #25
You're overlooking her lack of credibility Pototan Aug 2025 #28
I think her placement is to placate *her* atm Arazi Aug 2025 #36
Maybe that's what you see Pototan Aug 2025 #38
Agreed. Peace! Arazi Aug 2025 #42
And Trump won't be looking for the /switches/? Captain Zero Aug 2025 #30
Oh I'm sure he is looking for them Arazi Aug 2025 #37
She'll walk after the 2026 elections. CincyDem Aug 2025 #32
And if the dump croaks? Bluesaph Aug 2025 #29
Only time will tell Pototan Aug 2025 #31
Agreed. She has no reason to wait Arazi Aug 2025 #39
It's unlawful to move sex offenders to minimum security prisons. Will Dems pursue this? allegorical oracle Aug 2025 #34
Or Club Fed and pardon on 1/20/2029 for silence? Brainfodder Aug 2025 #35
That sounds right, or very close to it. MineralMan Aug 2025 #40
Maxwell's credibility has to be near zero; snot Aug 2025 #43

misanthrope

(9,390 posts)
2. Now tell us what was in the mysterious box
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 06:42 PM
Aug 2025

she carried back to lock-up in max security. How did she come into possession of it and why was she allowed to take it back with her?

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
4. It was copies
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 06:48 PM
Aug 2025

of evidence that corroborated her story. The problem for Trump was that it included him. Maxwell will not testify, either in any cases or before Congress, because if they ask about Trump, she refuses to perjure herself, as that would put her back behind bars.

She will remain silent in the meantime.

Captain Zero

(8,759 posts)
27. So that means she wanted out of Florida
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 12:35 AM
Aug 2025

I'm not sure Texas is a better jurisdiction for he imprisonment. Airports there are flying people to El Salvador.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
3. Sounds plausible. IMO she'll press for sooner release than '28. Foolishly though as...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 06:47 PM
Aug 2025

there are other powerful men that don't want her out and demanding bribes for the info she has on them.

She might be safer keeping an extremely low profile in Club Fed...but TSF is a known liar and might get desperate to take suspicion away from himself and have her eliminated anyway.

The's playing the cards she has but TSF's in a stronger position as letting her out early is an admission of guilt.

Norrrm

(4,088 posts)
5. Convicted child sex trafficker given easy treatment/favoritism by convicted sexual abuser.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 07:26 PM
Aug 2025

Republicans are quite tolerant within their own circles.

FarPoint

(14,567 posts)
7. For some reason....
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 07:37 PM
Aug 2025

I see a pardon coming soon for Maxwell and Diddy too.... Hope I am wrong.

EarthAbides

(429 posts)
8. The fascist pig won't have to pardon her...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 07:52 PM
Aug 2025

Maxwell will escape from this prison, while the guards look away. She will get on a helicopter bound for nobody knows.... If the fascist pig was smart someone would push Maxwell out of the helicopter as it flew over the ocean.

This is what is going to happen...

20. The first half of that escape is unlikely, but possible. Her demise wont' happen
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 10:04 PM
Aug 2025

She has the goods to bury him and has made it known to him what she has. She has equally made it known that it all stays secret while she lives, but all goes public if she dies. The pardon is her way out. He hopes that it all dies out before that pardon happens because it is a serious and unexpected thorn in his side right now.

Funny thing to me is that he pushed this conspiracy to maga (especially the Qanon wing of maga) and now they want the list of democrat pedophiles from his bullshit conspiracy theory and are SERIOUSLY pissed that he won't put out the conspiracy theory list that he primed them for, but doesn't actually have.

Epstein didn't have those files to protect him because he was the CEO, she was the one that made his wishes happen, she has those files, she was the central enabler behind his crimes. She has the goods on any and everyone in those videos.

Captain Zero

(8,759 posts)
26. If she was killed while escaping
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 12:31 AM
Aug 2025

Would her info still come out?
They would definitely scoop up what she has in her quarters. Because she would look too obvious lugging that box out the door and out the prison gates.

My guess is they have already started looking for who else she gave copies to and are threatening them. Or worse.

bluestarone

(21,301 posts)
41. Well, i kind of agree that this is very possible
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:57 AM
Aug 2025

If it goes down this way, it's 100% PROOF to everyone of us that we are 100% correct about these unholy creatures in charge of our country!!

C Moon

(13,496 posts)
11. That's about what I was thinking, but didn't think they would wait until 2028.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:26 PM
Aug 2025

I think they plan to wait a little (so the public forgets) then when something huge hits the headlines, she's released in the background.

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
16. No way it can be kept secret
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:56 PM
Aug 2025

If he waits until after the election in 2028, he doesn't care who knows.

That's why she's in a glorified resort until then.

This is a great deal for her.

Cosmocat

(15,359 posts)
12. He doesn't need to pardon her
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:27 PM
Aug 2025

Her lawyer filed their appeal to the SC after the first meeting. Good chance they spring her.

OMGWTF

(5,021 posts)
14. One of T💩p's biographers got a call from someone who said that he got a call from T💩p saying,
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:36 PM
Aug 2025

"Just want you to know that I didn't kill Epstein."

The lady doth protest too much methinks.

H2O Man

(78,703 posts)
17. Recommended.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:59 PM
Aug 2025

Epstein and the felon lived a mile apart in Palm Beach. Epstein was sexually abusing underage girls while he lived there. While the island is central to a number of people associated with Epstein, it is important to focus on the felon's times at Epstein's Palm Beach home.

H2O Man

(78,703 posts)
19. It is what
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 09:26 PM
Aug 2025

we are seeing as it unfolds. She holds more cards than the felon-in-chief.

A few days back, one of our friends here asked me about some "disloyal" people on the outside that are, at least, stirring the pot. They have never respected the felon -- as young Tucker's e-mails to co-workers at Fox showed -- and want him to be kneecapped. Not fully removed, for no one likes Vance. Not that a Senate conviction on an impeachment could be anticipated. Just weaken to where he will have no influence in deciding the 2028 presidential candidate. What do you think?

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
21. I just feel as though
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 10:18 PM
Aug 2025

moving Maxwell to a country club with few, if any, restrictions is so obvious. The felon knows he can't pardon or commute before the mid-terms. If he does it before the 2028 election, Trump diminishes JD's chances.

The scenario I laid out gives Maxwell a good deal. Instead of 20 years, she does 5 or 6. The next 3+ years are really easy time.

Maxwell doesn't really need a pardon; a commutation will serve her purpose. However, I wouldn't put a pardon past Trump, especially on the way out the door.

As for who the Republican candidate is in 2028, I can't even hazard a guess. I really can't figure out the Trump Cultists. I'm good at politics, but pretty bad at evaluating cults.

Who knows why Jim Jones' followers did what they did.

Arazi

(8,727 posts)
22. She's not going to wait til 2028. Why would she?
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 10:44 PM
Aug 2025

She has allllllll the cards.

She’s telling him what she wants and I presume he’ll give it to her. He doesn’t care what it looks like - his cult will believe any story his team concocts.

H2O Man

(78,703 posts)
23. It is possible
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 11:27 PM
Aug 2025

that the felon's attorney at the #2 DOJ spot would propose she wait until the mid-terms are over. I don't think Maxwell or her brother, who controls their family's evidence such as the 50th birthday card he shared with the WSJ, are that patient. And we know of zero evidence that the felon has a speck of loyalty to anyone, including his vice presidents.

I agree that she holds the stronger hand. She was smarter than Epstein, and she is smarter than the president. She understands the game.

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
24. She does not have "all the cards"
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 11:44 PM
Aug 2025

Maxwell cannot pardon herself. Her only play is to threaten to rat out Trump. Once she does that, she has played her best card. After that, she is at the mercy of the Trump justice department and correction department.

My scenario is her best play. She stays in "Club Fed" for 3 years or so and gets a pardon as Trump finishes his term. Nice and easy.

If she calls Trump's bluff, she may end up like Jeffrey. If she goes along with the plan, she does easy time and gets out after serving just 25% of her sentence.

Maxwell's greatest danger is after Trump is out of office and she is out of jail. That's what she really has to plan out.

People die every day from car accidents, swimming accidents, overdoses, plane crashes, etc.

You get my point.

Arazi

(8,727 posts)
25. She'll dole out pieces of incriminating evidence until he's forced to release her
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 12:22 AM
Aug 2025

She absolutely has the upper hand. I presume she has many items to select from after 15 years of friendship between Trump, Epstein and herself.

And he dares not kill her - she certainly has evidence parked with lawyers and family that will be released as a “dead man’s switch” that will destroy him if she’s killed.

I doubt she’s in the same level of danger now or later, in prison or out. Her deal is the same when she’s released - leave her alone and the evidence she has against all of the pedos stays buried. Keep her alive and it’s the same deal - the evidence stays hidden.

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
28. You're overlooking her lack of credibility
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 12:36 AM
Aug 2025

Trump controls so much of the media, he can discredit her and it becomes a pissing contest.

But here's the fact that makes my theory more plausible, "Why would Trump move Maxwell to the cushiest prison in the whole system if they were still negotiating?". It's obvious to me the deal is done, and her placement is part of the deal.

Arazi

(8,727 posts)
36. I think her placement is to placate *her* atm
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:26 AM
Aug 2025

Traitor’s all but said he’s going to pardon her and rightwing news is already starting reputation washing her.

Rightwing news anchors are already positioning Maxwell as a victim!

His cult will believe anything he tells them but I guarantee you he’s absolutely not going to antagonize her. Ever.

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
38. Maybe that's what you see
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:32 AM
Aug 2025

I don't see that at all.

Sorry, as they say, agree to disagree".

Arazi

(8,727 posts)
37. Oh I'm sure he is looking for them
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:29 AM
Aug 2025

She’s Robert Maxwell’s daughter so I’m sure the info is located in multiple places and even if Traitor (or anyone else in her “files”) locates one stash, you’d never know you got it all.

I presume the word is going out to leave her alone and she’ll leave her pedo-clients alone.

CincyDem

(7,320 posts)
32. She'll walk after the 2026 elections.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 05:13 AM
Aug 2025

After that, he’s got no political risk to a pardon. Republican may, but not him.

Pototan

(3,011 posts)
31. Only time will tell
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 01:19 AM
Aug 2025

I put up my theory. Explained my reasoning. In time I'll be proven either right or wrong.

Arazi

(8,727 posts)
39. Agreed. She has no reason to wait
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:33 AM
Aug 2025

She doesn’t care if Republicans lose seats in the midterms.

Even the idea that she’d give a shit about that is unbelievable.

In fact I bet she’s threatened to release incriminating info in bits over the next 18 months unless she’s released asap.

Keep the story alive and fresh in everyone’s minds.

It’s what I’d do (and I’m not an evil criminal pedophile with sketchy ties to international intelligence agencies)

snot

(11,528 posts)
43. Maxwell's credibility has to be near zero;
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 06:34 PM
Aug 2025

the videos confiscated by the FBI would be better proof.

That said, if no one ever bothered to interview her before now, that seems beyond odd.

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