Hunter Biden says Democrats lost election because they weren't loyal to his father

[GJGCA]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5402378-hunter-biden-democrats-2024-election/
by Caroline Vakil - 07/16/25 4:00 AM ET

Hunter Biden said in a new interview that Democrats lost the November election to President Trump because they weren’t loyal to his father, former President Biden.

“You know what, we are going to fight amongst ourselves for the next three years until there’s a nominee. And then with the nominee, we better as hell get behind that nominee,” Hunter Biden said in an excerpt from an upcoming interview on former DNC Chair Jaime Harrison’s new podcast, “At Our Table.”

“And I will tell you why we lost the last election. We lost the election because we did not remain loyal to the leader of the party. That’s my position,” he told Harrison, according to the excerpt. “We had the advantage of incumbency. We had advantage of an incredibly successful administration and the Democratic Party literally melted down.”

[themaguffin]

1. He needs to sit this one out. FFS.

[customerserviceguy]

2. Yep

He's done enough damage.

[Bev54]

36. What damage would that be?

The fact that the republicans went after him for complete bullshit phony Russian made laptop and idiots fell for it?

[PatSeg]

46. I agree

It was the republicans who did the damage. Personally, I can recall how many Democrats didn't support President Biden even though his administration was extremely successful. In that sense, I think Hunter is right.

[emulatorloo]

64. +++++

[customerserviceguy]

70. Hunter's legal problems

were indeed exacerbated by the Rethugs, but he got into those problems all on his own. And let's face it, Joe Biden flying back from the other side of the world twice during Hunter's trial to give him emotional support probably tired him out just before the debate. We have other voices more relevant than Hunter's to listen to as we move forward.

[live love laugh]

84. Lie: "... he got into those problems all on his own ..." and spurious speculation at best ....

Biden flying back from the other side of the world twice during Hunter's trial to give him emotional support probably tired him out

[customerserviceguy]

90. I don't think

any Rethuglicans put coke into Hunter's nose, nor did they counsel him how to fill out an application for the purchase of a firearm. Yes, they went after him like crazy for things that would either normally not be prosecuted as heavily as they were in his case, but still, he was the one who handed them the raw material with which to torture Joe Biden.

Like I said in another post, we have more important voices to hear as we work towards taking our country back.

[live love laugh]

91. If scandal plagued felon rapist Trump can speak any fucking body can speak.

[Bev54]

96. Well be grateful you have not had anybody

In your family that has been addicted to drugs. Biden showing support and love for his son was hardly a bad thing, quite the opposite.

Hunter’s legal problems weren’t just exacerbated by republicans they were formulated by Barr and Ghouliani and the Republican dickhead prosecutors took their cues from Trump et al. Nobody else would have been put through the bullshit unless their name was Biden. Not even the Clintons. Hunter has every right to voice his opinion about his family, far more than others.

[customerserviceguy]

128. My significant other

had a brother who was addicted to drugs, and while the worst part of his behavior was in a time before I knew her, his poor choices still impacted my life after meeting her. All I'm trying to say is don't give red meat to the opposition. Yes, they knew that Joe Biden would support his son, and that's one of the reasons they pursued Hunter relentlessly. The whole will-he-or-won't-he nature of the pardon did nothing to bolster the legacy of the Biden administration.

All in all, I think Hunter should be grateful that things turned out the way they did for him, and maybe instead of calling us disloyal, he could spend a bit of time reflecting on his role in bringing about the current state of affairs.

[Bev54]

132. His addiction has nothing to do with Biden's presidency

Except that he was persecuted for being his son. His opinion on how his Dad was treated is valid and he definitely has the right to express it.

[customerserviceguy]

133. I disagree

It had an impact. There is no doubt in my mind about that. While I agree that he has the right to say anything he wishes, I maintain that we have other voices that are more qualified to assess what happened and how to avoid it in the future.

[Bev54]

134. So those other voices are allowed to be heard as well

But you can’t tell someone they don’t have a right to voice their opinion. You and I disagree but we both have the right to voice our opinions.

[customerserviceguy]

135. I'm not telling anyone not to speak

I'm just suggesting to people that some voices are more informed than others.

[jrthin]

67. What damage? Minding his own business.

[customerserviceguy]

72. See my post above

It allowed the Rethugs to claim a false equivalence that they used to deceive people.

[live love laugh]

47. No he doesn't. He's right. The fact that people want to silence him is exactly the point of his message.

[themaguffin]

59. No, he's wrong, his statement is exactly why he is wrong. He was part of the problem. He should have NEVER been an...

advisor in any way or had influence of the decision-making process. It was tragic what happened and he contributed to that tragedy.

[mountain grammy]

71. Was he ever an advisor? I don't think so..

[fujiyamasan]

93. Sadly enough, it appears Joe was taking advice from Hunter

During the post debate crisis on whether or not to continue his campaign. I’ve seen several articles indicating that during that time he was relying on (in my opinion bad) advice from his close family.

[live love laugh]

120. Specifically Hunter's advice? And if so only when he was considering stepping down?

[live love laugh]

85. Who/what are you even talking about? What advisor? What decision making process?

[themaguffin]

117. I'm referring to reporting of his input during Biden's tenure. He should have been nowhere near the WH.

[democratsruletheday]

56. Couldn't agree more....

he's entitled and has hurt his Dad more than he's helped over the years. Needs to just STFU. Dems were pushed into a corner because Joe didn't do the right thing and announce he wasn't going to run LIKE HE PROMISED he would. He went back on that promise and that's a cold, hard fact. At that point, the Democratic Party owed him nothing. He screwed them over just like Ruth Ginsburg screwed over the Dems and Obama by overstaying her welcome by YEARS. Turns out selfish, power hungry folks don't just exist on the right in this country. I LOVE and supported Biden and Ginsburg but the fact of the matter is they were both selfish and both ended up hurting their party and this country tremendously. Truth hurts.

[lucca18]

65. I agree with everything you stated!

Thank You

[mountain grammy]

74. I respectfully disagree, in fact I couldn't disagree more..

[Jack Valentino]

98. JOE BIDEN NEVER promised he would not run for re-election. EVER.

That is a falsehood that really shouldn't be repeated. THAT is a cold, hard fact.

[Torchlight]

112. I doubt truth ever really hurts,

but a litany of unsupported assertions can cause mild skin irritation.

[BannonsLiver]

125. Hard truths.

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[emulatorloo]

60. Yeah well, he's not wrong though.

[themaguffin]

62. He's incredibly wrong, selfish and oblivious for making the statements.

[emulatorloo]

63. That's yr opinion and you're entitled to it.

[live love laugh]

86. He's not wrong you are.

[fujiyamasan]

94. No, that's your opinion, and not a fact

There’s nothing to indicate that democrats “staying loyal” to Joe would have improved the election outcome. Most polls showed that had he stayed the nominee dems would have fared even worse in the election.

[choie]

92. Indeed.

[Sibelius Fan]

3. I find myself in agreement. While I fully supported Harris, donating $, voting etc

at the time Biden stepped aside I expressed concerns right here on DU that his doing so would depress turnout among Ds who were Biden loyalists.

[Johonny]

6. Yeah

I don't disagree that the party should have won or loss with the sitting president. Choosing not to gained them nothing.

[awesomerwb1]

14. He should've only run for one term

He should've made it clear so they could have primaries.

He was a great president who messed up nominating Garland. Other than that, unfortunately age caught up with him pretty quickly and by the end of his term looked (moved and walked) a lot older than he is.

[live love laugh]

48. Shoulda coulda ... 🙄

[AllyCat]

43. Yes. Dem stalwarts like my own Mark Pocan asked

Biden to step down. I was stunned.

[PatSeg]

49. There were quite a few who surprised and

seriously disappointed me. Many picked up and reinforced republican talking points about Biden.

[fujiyamasan]

97. What Biden loyalists?

This board? This board is an extreme outlier with its loyalty to Biden, almost veering on cult like reverence for him.

Sorry, every poll indicated Biden was about to lose in a landslide. Not a single poll showed him leading Trump or even competitive when he dropped out.

I see more accepted bashing on this board of Clinton and Obama than Biden, which is incredible since they were both very successful politically and well, actually popular.

[tman]

4. Sadly delusional..and costly beyond belief.

but I know many here still agree with him.

[samsingh]

5. anyone remember that first debate?

[mountain grammy]

10. you mean the one when trump lied a hundred times?

That debate or the second one when he also lied a hundred times? His election shows the debates meant nothing!

[themaguffin]

13. I remember Biden "walking" on stage and my heart sinking. Everything that happened after that was irrelevant.

Trump is evil. Trump has lied beyond anyone that I can think of. He's morally bankrupt and has done immeasurable damage to the country.

and it's knowing that on debate night and every night for the last decade that really made me feel disaster when Biden came on the stage.

[samsingh]

22. a thousand times. perhaps they could have been called out louder and clearer

the rest is our unfortunate history

[DENVERPOPS]

35. Trump

"Gish Galloped" Biden.............old debate tactic to overwhelm your debate contestant...

Google it..............

[mountain grammy]

69. You are exactly correct and I did look it up

and it's what republicans have been doing for years.. in debates, on talk shows and interviews.

Just talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah.. spew it out, like they all do.

Honestly I never knew it had a name or was a known technique.. I just thought it was republicans being republicans.

Thank you, DenverPops... Time for Democrats to drown out the nonsense with simple words like "you're lying!"

[DENVERPOPS]

124. The Saddest thing is, MG,

that the dems that prepared Biden for the Debate didn't prepare Biden for the GG and how to defend himself against it......

[mountain grammy]

127. totally agree!

and why? We've watched them do this for years..

[DENVERPOPS]

130. My favorite saying:

"They were all walking down the Jungle Path, swatting at mosquitoes, and were oblivious to the herd of charging elephants".......Pun Intended....

Many of us here were constantly screaming our heads off since HW and his CABAL committed Treason to get Reagan installed in office.

And WE all were described as far left, radical fanatics by the Dems, especially by those known as "Reagan Democrats".............

As a side note, it was imperative that the Republicans got HW installed as President after Reagan, , because over a hundred of Reagan's CABAL were indicted for Felony Crimes, and were awaiting trial. HW, as elected President, pardoned them all his first day in office.........

[EdmondDantes_]

95. So he went with the same thing he's done?

Sorry but Biden bested him easily in the 2020 debate, and just didn't have the same energy in 2024. Trump spewing lies is all he's ever done. Not having a plan for that, or not being able to present that plan due to his voice and appearance wasn't okay.

[fujiyamasan]

99. Trump has lied a million time in every debate he's been in

He doesn’t even keep his own lies straight. He lies about his own lies. And every person debating him should be very well prepared for dealing with that.

I’d argue he has been beaten in every single debate he participated in except that one, because Biden should not have been on that stage. What’s worse is Biden’s team wanted that debate so early and badly because he was already trailing so badly.

[Jose Garcia]

129. The first debate is the reason there wasn't a second debate

[getagrip_already]

7. He is Absolutely CORRECT!!!!

Dems, lead by the squad and others, spend 3 years tearing down Biden because they didn't get their pony's.

Dem influencers likewise took shot after shot at the administration over petty issues.

We tore down not only Biden, but the party. We created disaffected voters who just stayed away. We coddled the propals and poisoned the electorate.

Yes. We did ALL of that.

[AloeVera]

15. "Coddled the propals"...

(Assuming you mean pro-Palestinians)

[getagrip_already]

115. I mean RADICAL supporters of terrorists.....

The palestinians are not a group im opposed to. People who are opposed to netanyahu (which has always included me) are not who i am referring to.

Im referring to supporters of terrorists. People who supported the october attacks. People who attacked and harrassed jews just because they were jewish.

These people as a group advocated for dems to not vote in protest. They had impact, especially in muslim communities.

[AZProgressive]

16. The squad or the progressive caucus wanted Biden to stay in the race

It was moderate House Dems that wanted Biden to drop out because they were worried about losing their house seats.

There was that divide & conquer BBB & BIF but moderates were just as bad like Manchin & Sinema who only wanted the BIF but they whittled down the BBB down to the Inflation Reduction Act. I don't think it helped the Dems win in 2024 mainly because they called the legislation "bipartisan" so Republicans got equal credit for that one. Don't worry that was used to unseat Progressives in safe blue districts who were accused ironically of not being loyal enough to Biden.

[LiberalLovinLug]

37. AOC was one of the last holdouts for Biden

It was Pelosi and others who told him he had to go.
And it wasn't three years of tearing him down. It was only in 2024 there were rumblings after each time he had a senior moment in public. Building up to the inevitable push to have him leave...by the upper brass of D's.

And I get why Hunter is defending his dad. But he's way off base. Biden would have been demolished. Kamala was leading in the polls. (I am still not convinced 100% that he won) No other Dem could have done better with that amount of time. Joe should have hung up his jersey half ways into his term to give a replacement time to build consent.

[thought crime]

52. We didn't force Biden to run for a second term, or to "coddle" Netanyahu.

Biden did fine his first two years, but many expected him to decline a run for a second term. This wasn't just hindsight.

If he had announced he wasn't running after the 2022 midterm, then Kamala Harris or someone else might have had a chance. After the debate performance and the assassination attempt on Trump, the odds were really stacked up against us. I was amazed how hard Kamala worked and I hope she runs again. Her debate with Trump was a triumph.

[krawhitham]

78. Well "coddling" Netanyahu had better results than whatever you want to call trump's current "plan"

[Hassin Bin Sober]

118. Lol. Pelosi is a member of the squad now?

[dsc]

8. While he may not be the greatest messenger for this

he may well be right. Biden was the most successful President of my lifetime and he was old when he ran and shock of shocks didn't get younger. Yet we threw him off the bus and ran him over and over. Why on earth did we think voters would trust we would be loyal to them after that? I don't blame Harris for this. I think she ran the best campaign she possibly could have given the circumstances. The only part I disagree with here, is that we might well have lost anyway given that incumbents everywhere lost ground and we didn't exactly have a bunch of ground to lose. But, as I said at the time, it was a horrible idea to get rid of him.

[PatSeg]

50. Lawrence O'Donnell covered this issue night after night

but unfortunately, it often fell on deaf ears. He made some predictions that sadly turned out to be right.

[Joinfortmill]

103. Well said.

[JustAnotherGen]

9. I agree

That means people are going to have to put themselves, their familiies, and their friends first. Laser focus on Americans and those who live here. It's that simple.

And I hope folks are willing to do that next year.

[Ritabert]

11. I don't need to hear Monday morning quarterbacking from Hunter

[tritsofme]

12. Let's call this what it is, self-serving nonsense.

After that debate, Trump may have run up a near landslide.

Kamala did the best she was able, and made it a close race.

After the midterms, Biden said he was ready and many of us closed ranks behind him, that turned out to be a colossal error.

Had there been an open and competitive Democratic primary in 2024, we might have had a chance

[samsingh]

24. exactly

we needed time to prepare for the election, and decisions should have been made a year earlier. The stakes were so high, and we are seeing the obliteration of democracy as a result.

[UTUSN]

17. My loyalty was to bite my tongue, defer to Joe's decisions, and focus fire on KRASNOV.

Hunter and the inner circle are not showing loyalty to us at this point.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. No matter what you might think of Hunter, on this point I think he is correct.

[samsingh]

25. so you think after the 1st debate, voters would have rallied around us?

not the people i spoke to, even the ones who were well aware that trump was lying about everything.

too bad garland didn't charge him sooner in the mandate. Look at the devastation trump has caused in a mere 6 months with the power of his office.

[fujiyamasan]

100. No, we don't have to believe this self serving revisionist nonsense from him

I understand he is Joe’s loyal son, and I’m glad Joe has a loyal family as he’s battling cancer, but the party and the nation are dealing with an absolute tyrant in office now possibly due to Joe deciding to run again.

[PJMcK]

19. Who cares?

He’s not an elected official.

He’s not a seasoned political operative.

He’s not a journalist.

Hunter needs to sit down and shut up. He shouldn’t be blaming anyone for anything.

What kind of reporter would think this is news?

[Sogo]

20. That would all be true if it weren't for Joe's disastrous debate performance.

Maybe they don't realize just how badly he came across in that debate. The ads would have written themselves, and the GOP would have been relentless. I don't know how we (the Democratic Party) could have recovered from that debate. It was highly cringeworthy....(and I'm saying this as one of the die-hard supporters of Joe).

[LymphocyteLover]

31. No, it wasn't THAT bad. The media blew it ALL OUT OF PROPORTION and clearly wanted Joe out. They did not like Joe.

Dems never promoted Biden as much as they should have, even though he did so many great things.

But the media was a bigger problem.

[Shrek]

66. GOP ads would have played "we finally beat Medicare" over and over

Same playbook as the "they/them" ads against Harris, and probably as effective.

[LymphocyteLover]

113. Why? That phrase doesn't mean anything by itself and it's not like Biden cut medicaid.

More likely they would show him faltering and looking lost at the debate but even more likely is they would bash him over inflation and a bunch of rightwing BS.

IMO the one major mistake Dems made is not attacking the orange shit super hard in ads. God knows they had enough material.

[Shrek]

116. "That phrase doesn't mean anything by itself" -- exactly my point

Nobody has any idea what he was talking about, and it plays into the GOP frame of Biden as too mentally addled to serve effectively.

[LymphocyteLover]

131. you could literally take a million nonsensical things trump said and make a commercial out of it. Doesn't mean it would

sway voters.

The #1 reason trump won in 2025 was the media downplaying all his scandals and normalizing him and at the same time not telling voters the good things that Biden did.

[Sogo]

121. I watched it. It was that bad....

nt

[emulatorloo]

61. Lots of tv focus groups said he won. People said they were reminded of how insane Trump was.

Biden was tired and had a cold. He was fine the next day and at every appearance afterwards, including a press conference on foreign policy,

But media (who wanted the ‘excitement’ of Trump) were relentless. Pretty much completely poisoned the well. And then they started on Kamala

[JanMichael]

68. That's interesting. I suppose I could look it up but...

...can you post these focus group results?

[fujiyamasan]

109. Even if a few focus groups claimed Biden won

That doesn’t mean the debate didn’t hurt his standing. People keep forgetting that he was trailing prior to the debate, and it was the Biden teams’s push to have the debates so much earlier than usual. Many here claimed Trump wouldn’t even show up to the debate.

The big problem was the perception of age. Biden also hadn’t been seen doing many public events, especially those that were unscripted. That debate was the first appearance of Biden many had seen in years. And it wasn’t pretty, and reinforced prior perceptions that Joe was too old for the job.

[live love laugh]

119. "They" who?

[Sogo]

122. As cited in the OP, Hunter Biden, Jamie Harrison, and I suspect Joe, himself. It was also reported at the time

that Jill Biden was really upset by the lack of support for Joe.

[Kingofalldems]

21. Bad Things About Democrats.

[appmanga]

23. The Joe Biden who showed up for the debate...

...with his ghostly pallor, and looks alternating between surprise and befuddlement, was a killer. There are times when the genie can't be put back in the bottle, and that was one of them. Biden looked old and came across as old, and there's no one more disposable in American life than old people who seem old. And it wasn't The Squad or a bunch of progressives who brought out the long knives in secret; it was fellow seniors like Nancy Pelosi, Jim Clyburn, and Steny Hoyer who fed whispers to the media while refusing to throw water on the flames.

After that debate, Biden was cooked, and no degree of loyalty was going to save him. And having a black lady waiting in the wings wasn't helping.

I continue to be amazed at the degree of disregard so many have about Biden being damaged by the presence of the Kamala Harris as his running mate. We seem thoroughly committed to the prospect that the better angels will influence an overwhelming amount of people to go against their long held worldview. Somehow, the whole "price of eggs" trope continues to make more sense than the rejection of a black woman as a president. From this quarter, the discussion surrounding "loyalty" is ironic and rich.

[fujiyamasan]

102. Harris actually started consolidating support when she took over the campaign

And made the race competitive again. As we saw from the election results, it was still fairly close in most
swing states.

As this report shows, it was a systemic shift across the board that won it for Trump. The most shocking results in my opinion was New Jersey where she won by around 5-6 points.

[LymphocyteLover]

26. I agree to a point. Really it was the corporate media who destroyed Biden and who clearly wanted Trump

[BigmanPigman]

104. Hear, hear!!!!,

You hit that one on the head.

[LymphocyteLover]

111. Thank you. For all the gnashing of teeth about Dems not running a perfect campaign, and Biden being old,

there isn't nearly enough attention paid to how the media screwed this country over by bashing a great POTUS and helping a pure psychopathic criminal.

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Yeah, that's the ticket

Millions of Biden loyalists stayed home or voted for Trump rather than vote for Harris, out of respect and dedication to Joe Biden.

Oh brother…

[Wounded Bear]

28. I'm sure it is heartfelt, but it isn't helpful...nt

[KentuckyWoman]

29. Standing by his Dad.

Hunter has put his family through a lot. Dad stuck by him. Returning the loyalty is a good thing. It is nice to see.

As for the election, I am no strategist. Everyone has theories. Me included. Probably all wrong.

[Fiendish Thingy]

30. Indeed, Dems lost because of loyalty issues

It was the blind loyalty of Biden’s inner circle and family, including Hunter, that set the stage for a doomed Quixotic run for a second term, rather than advocating for him to choose to be a one term president, which would have ensured Biden’s legacy as the most progressive president since LBJ would be assured.

They put their loyalty to Joe over loyalty to the party and loyalty to the country.

I can understand it, but it was still the wrong thing to do.

[flamingdem]

32. I mostly agree with him

Look what we had compared to what they offered.

There's an obvious choice.

He had a good team and could have made it work even with his age and related issues.

We don't get in line like they do to our detriment.

[larwdem]

33. I agree

with Hunter 100%.

[Gingermolly]

34. I completely disagree with Hunter.

If Biden had not dropped out, the ads that Trump would have made with cuts from that debate performance would have been disastrous. Dems would have lost way more seats than they did.

[Escape]

38. I partially agree with Hunter..

In order to unite the Party, his dad should have stepped out of the way months earlier and offered his full support to the best possible candidate.

[RobinA]

39. The Less Heard

from Mr. Hunter Biden the better.

[twodogsbarking]

40. It was the votes.

[mcar]

41. He's not wrong

Joe Biden was a great president who saved us from Covid and economic collapse. He also restored our reputation around the world.

His reward was to be vilified and humiliated by many of his fellow Democrats because...he had a bad debate.

We see how the right rallies around their addled sociopath leader. We could have at least supported Biden. Instead, we tossed him out with no regard for his accomplishments and statesmanship.

[PatSeg]

51. Exactly

Democrats had so many successes to run on, but they got all wrapped up in the ageism narrative instead of bragging about what Biden and the Democrats had accomplished.

[thought crime]

53. Biden was one of the Democrats who was not bragging enough.

I believe Biden deserved more credit for his accomplishments, but to get credit he had to demand it. How many press conferences or interviews did he give in his last two years? A once-a-year performance at the State of the Union was never going to be enough against the constant noise machine the republicans have created.

[W_HAMILTON]

42. He's not wrong.

[madville]

44. Did he account for all the help he provided?

I won’t specifically point out all the “help” he provided but it’s a long list.

[themaguffin]

45. He's absolutely wrong. He was part of the problem. FFS.

[tman]

54. Not being "loyal" to a politician is the most patriotic thing a citizen can do.

The Biden campaign was leading us to a 400+ electoral vote defeat and a wipeout in the House and Senate. Worse still, most this damage could have been averted.

It wasn't just the unforgivably disastrous debate and the almost equally bad 'clean up' interviews that followed. His decision to run for reelection was single biggest political mistake in modern American history.

That President Biden did lot's of good work and was therefore deserving of a second term nomination is asinine.

[Torchlight]

55. Seems everybody knows exactly why we lost

it's just that every answer is different.

[ecstatic]

57. I'm glad your dad pardoned you but

please sit down. Nobody asked for your take on things, but since you want to go there--it began with a broken promise. No need to rehash. We all know what happened. Also, Kamala would have won were it not for all the voter purging.

Anyway, have a great day!

[Melon]

58. Says the guy who damaged his father for years.

Pictures of hookers and drugs. Discarding a pistol. Leaving his laptop at a center with incriminating photos for not paying. Hunter did so much damage in making Joe defend him constantly. It all adds up.

[Blasphemer]

73. He would have lost and the hand wringers would have said we should have gone with Harris. nt

[krawhitham]

75. He's right

[Tribetime]

76. Staying in till July 21 after the Disastrous debate

Did not help either

[CentralMass]

77. He may be right, we will never know.

[Ocelot II]

79. Meh, I'll cut him some slack on this. I don't agree, but it's his dad he's talking about.

He's not going to be able to be objective.

[elleng]

80. "We had the advantage of incumbency. We had advantage of an incredibly successful administration

and the Democratic Party literally melted down.”

[Honey25]

81. Election anomalies

No democrat would have won a rigged election! For instance, in Rockland County New York, Harris received 0 votes in a heavily Democratic district. In North Carolina, Democratic won nearly every major statewide race including governor, attorney General, secretary of state, and state Supreme Court. It's inconceivable that hundreds of thousands of voters chose Trump for president but voted Democrat for other offices. This drop-off Phenomenon happened in only swing states. This election was decided before one vote was cast. Trump, convicted felon, could not afford to lose this election.

[kentuck]

82. I remember thinking during the debate....

OMG! It's a disaster!

And wishing that Jill or someone had talked him out of running again, even though he had done a very good job under the circumstances.

But he was old, and it showed. And his whispers I found not very re-assuring.

Sometimes, you have to know when it is time to step off the stage.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

83. lol

[MerryBlooms]

107. Best comment. Rec

[B.See]

87. Well, considering MAGATS

stuck with TSFk, a convicted felon, rapist, accused pedophile, and coup attempting Insurrectionist who certainly didn't mind if his VP were HUNG, the promiser of mass deportations, dictatorship, Putin sympathizing authoritarian who said, you'll never have to vote again, who accused immigrants of "eating the cats and the dogs"...

in light of all the above and MORE, yeah, I'd be hard pressed to disagree with Hunter.

Melted down? Some might hold, melting down still.

[markodochartaigh]

88. I hate to stand in the middle of a circular firing squad...

But in my opinion the blame goes to the electorate.

Sure, the Republicans gerrymandered and disenfranchised enough to throw the election their way. But they were only able to do that because one third of the electorate is too apathetic to vote, and one third actually does prefer an authoritarian state as long as they are in control.

The Democratic party should have been able to win running Joe Biden's great-grandfather against Trump. But ignorance and apathy are the embodiment of the US electorate.

Until we have an electorate in which at least half of the voters are engaged and informed and who prefer democracy to the rule of an authoritarian Strong Leader we are unlikely to get our democracy back.

[Bluestocking]

89. Hunter is correct

The party did turn on Joe. Joe was a great President and tried to do great things for our country. Joe does not have a selfish bone in his body, just like Jimmy Carter. If I was not such a staunch Democratic supporter and Trump was not the candidate I probably would have not voted

[tulipsandroses]

101. Eh, I'll give him a pass. It was a very traumatic time for him and his family

As family members, things hurt differently.

[Justice Brandeis]

105. That would not have helped

The media was determined to take Biden down.
And they did.

[MerryBlooms]

106. Omgosh, this whole thread! 😂😂😂

Folks, this is why we can't have nice things. Crazy! 🤣🤣🤣

[Raine]

108. Its always someone else's fault where politics are concerned 🙄 ...

that sounds familiar.

[In It to Win It]

114. We lost because we were too fucking loyal. The party should have told him from the start not to run again.

[BannonsLiver]

126. Hunter is totally delulu.

And he’s not alone, either.