This is not fiction

[angrychair]

Reminder that right now, in the state of Georgia, we, as a society, that we are holding a dead woman as a prisoner and the government is forcing a hospital to keep a brain dead woman alive against the wishes of her family just because she died while 9 weeks pregnant and the state government will force her to breath and her heart to pump until the completion of the third trimester and they can cut the fetus from this poor family's daughter's corpse.
The kicker is they are also forcing her family to pay all the medical bills to keep her alive for the next 7 months.
All without understanding the actual impact on the fetus by forcing this poor woman to maintain this zombie state for 7 months.

This is a fucking horror show.

Reference: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-woman-brain-dead-woman-must-carry-fetus-to-birth-because-of-abortion-ban/

[get the red out]

1. It is unusual for them to do this

Usually they refuse a life-saving DNC and just watch someone bleed out and die.

[Irish_Dem]

2. If you are dead, they make you stay alive.

If you are alive, they make you get and stay dead.

[soldierant]

37. That was not an option

The cause of death was unrelated to the pregnancy. I think it was a stroke or something similar. A fuller version of the story was in The Root.

She was only 9 weeks pregnant with somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to go.

[CrispyQ]

3. Where are the attorney's arguing for her 13th Amendment right?

Why doesn't the pro-choice movement use this argument? If I know about it, why don't they?

Abortion and the 13th Amendment
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, [e-mail]

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers

snip...

I. The basic argument The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6

Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.

~more at link

Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's body?

[soldierant]

38. This is not a choice issue.

The cause of death was not related to the pregnancy, and she was dead before the government learned she was pregnant at all.

[lonely bird]

57. Irrelevant

If she was injured that traumatically in a car accident the impact is the same.

It is not about whether the pregnancy caused her condition. It is about what is happening.

Iirc, the fetus is not developing correctly as well. If determined to be do to the condition of the mother’s body then termination should be in order.

[raging moderate]

58. Yes. And she DID NOT have a FETUS inside her!

At 9 weeks, this poor woman had an EMBRYO inside her! And what is called 9 weeks is actually about 7 weeks. I remember that the pregnancies of BOTH my children were calculated from the starting dates of my menstrual bleeds. And the embryo does not really form at that point. Many women do not even know they are pregnant at the point this poor woman was forced into being a dead incubator.

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Brain dead is usually dead.

Lawyers should try having her declared dead. Dead people cannot give birth. Or at least it's not happened before.

The implications are astounding. People could be declared the product of all their ancestors. Right back to famous rich royalty!

Property and inheritance rights could be claimed!

You say oh, this can't happen! Ha! Dead parent is birthing by state decree!

[Delmette2.0]

7. Does a Viking King count as royalty?

[ChazInAz]

46. Or being an Hunyadi?

Jeeze, I could inherit the Austro-Hungarian Empire! (No idea how many are between me and the throne. Maybe I could pull a Richard III move.)

[bucolic_frolic]

59. Yes, and Charlemagne Equity Fund will have a deluge of applications ./nt

[Delmette2.0]

60. LOL.

That's perfect.

[Lovie777]

5. Forcing the family to pay the bill sounds unconstitutional.......

[rubbersole]

44. So they should be like tsf and pay nothing.

Would the hospital put her out on the street?

[lostnfound]

65. I don't think parents have legal obligations for adult children in most cases. Doesn't make sense. Nt

[DFW]

66. And if the family refuses?

Will Georgia threaten to let the dead woman die?

[KT2000]

6. It is a horror movie though

Under the laws of some states, women are not people but just incubators for the state. This is abuse of a corpse.
They have taken this woman's dignity and humanity.
Allow her the peace she deserves.

[usedtobedemgurl]

24. Not a horror movie....

More like a tv series....... Maybe something like A Hand male's Tale......since this actually happened in the show!!!!!!!

[electric_blue68]

48. Can you Spell G-I-L-E-A-D ?!!!

S6 Episode #9 in about 2 hrs EDLSV Time!

[usedtobedemgurl]

49. Exactly.

Life imitates art……more so, A Handmaid’s Tale and 1984 have become instruction manuals for some people.

[electric_blue68]

50. Ikr. Ick and yikes!

[GiqueCee]

8. I would expect nothing less...

... from a bloodthirsty horde of faux-Christian Republican sociopaths. Inflicting pain on those who have done nothing wrong gives them intense, perverted pleasure.

[pandr32]

9. My babies and I bonded while they were in my womb.

There was an unmistakable back and forth. Each child was different and I got to know them while pregnant. I am sure that works both ways.

[mopinko]

12. i have to wonder if this baby will b ok.

how cd a baby develop normally like this? there’s a complex interplay w the mother and her hormones.

[Girard442]

15. Probably not.

The deceased woman's body is probably continuously deteriorating. Who knows how long it can sustain a pregnancy?

[pandr32]

17. Basically the baby is in a machine womb.

No mother's movements, emotions, or voice.

[MadLinguist]

61. Worse.

A machine womb could be programmed to provide some kind of feedback. Simulated or not, it'd be better than what this life-form is getting. This is state torture. If this process does end up delivering a child, it'll be a traumatized ghost from the moment of birth

[Dixiegrrrl]

42. I had same experience.

Had no idea if that was usual or not, it was fascinating experience. 😊

[pandr32]

56. There's changes in our brain.

We also grow an extra litre of blood and our systems connect. I don't think we know the half of it, but the two are one in a very special way.

[Cirsium]

63. Birds

Your post reminded me of an interesting article I came across a while back.

Kleindorfer decided to study bird eggs and early development, which were then neglected research topics. "Maybe this was because only females have eggs and I was a woman in science," she told me. "I don't have a better reason." Kleindorfer had noticed that mustached-warbler chicks seemed to respond to the alarm calls of adult warblers, even though the thinking at the time was that such calls were directed at other adults, or possibly at predators. "If I put a snake nearby, the parental alarm call made the chicks in the nest jump," she said. "If I put a marsh harrier"—a hawk like predatory bird—"nearby, the response to the parental alarm call was that the chicks would duck." The chicks were responding appropriately to different alarm calls—a satisfying finding.

Kleindorfer also studied the superb fairy wren, a songbird that weighs about as much as a walnut and sports a flirty, upright tail. Despite their fanciful names, fairy wrens are commonplace in Australia. They are socially monogamous but sexually promiscuous—they are essentially in open marriages—and they bring up their young collectively. Arguably, they have even more to chat about than geese do. Fairy-wren nests are about the size of cupped human hands, built to contain pale, speckled eggs that are smaller than thumbnails. Kleindorfer and her team wired up nests with cameras and microphones and soon discovered something that they hadn't known to look for. "The mothers in nests were producing an incubation call—a call to the eggs," she told me. It was like a lullaby. Why would a mother bird make any sound that could attract predators to the nest? "Songbird embryos don't have well-developed ears, so this was completely unexpected," she said. "That started a twenty-year project—why is she calling to the eggs?"

The team compared incubation calls to the begging calls of young chicks. "It was very odd," Kleindorfer recalled. "Each nest had its own distinct begging call." What's more, each begging call matched an element from the mother's incubation call. This suggested, startlingly, that birds could learn a literal mother tongue while still in ovo. (Humans do this, too; French and German babies have distinct cries.) Even "foster" chicks, who as eggs were physically moved from one nest to another, learned begging calls from their foster mothers, rather than from their genetic mothers. This was big news in the ornithology world. "The paradigm of how songbirds learn—after hatching, from their father's song—was overthrown," she said. The same process was soon documented in more songbird species.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/21/how-scientists-started-to-decode-birdsong

Sonia Kleindorfer, is a biologist and bird ecologist and director of the Konrad Lorenz Research Center for Behavior and Cognition.

The article is behind a paywall, but I have the entire text if you are interested.

[pandr32]

64. Interesting.

Than you!

[BurnDoubt]

10. But... But... But...

It will make Jesus Happy!!!! Sorry, Jesus. They have to drag your name through the dirt so they feel the "Righteous!". I think this was what He would have meant when He was quoted (400 years later) as saying would make Him puke. (Lukewarm Christians) The hypocrisy is beyond Belief. And the fiduciary penalties are positively Satanic. My everlasting sorrow for every Soul enduring this. Shame, Shame, Shame.

[multigraincracker]

32. Go OT on them and quote Numbers 11: 5-13, the test for an unfaithful wife.

the Bible is clear, the soul enters the body with the First Breath Of Life. Conception is never mentioned except for Mary.

[spanone]

11. This is America 2025.

GODDAMIT.

[rickyhall]

13. Why they hate the ERA.

[Iamscrewed]

14. GOP BRAND

[pansypoo53219]

16. sorry. the bill goes to the fetus humpers, plus child support.

[pandr32]

18. It should.

[BoRaGard]

19. G.O.P. Kristo-sadism

"Crucify the mother. Then take food support from the child. Heh heh." - G.O.P.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

20. We are living through an Age of Dystopia.

It's hideous and our stupid electorate is to blame. We all knew who the candidate was. They wanted this.

Watched 60 Minutes last night speak with billionaire inventor Palmer Luckey of Oculus fame. He spoke of his support for 47 and how the president is where the people are. That was so disheartening to hear. But it does explain how we became a dystopian hellscape.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Luckey?wprov=sfla1

[WarGamer]

21. Has the family requested she be taken off of life support?

"She's pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he's born," Newkirk said. She has not said whether the family wants Smith removed from life support.

[justaprogressive]

26. They wanted her off,

In Marlise’s case a judge after 62 days allowed for Marlisa’s husband, Erick, and her family members, her parents, to receive her and prepare for dignity in her death and burial or cremation.

That was after 62 days of Marlise being tethered, two machines tethered to a shaking bed in order to prevent bed sores as much as possible. Marlise’s father said that her body had gone from being supple to being hard, like a mannequin.

https://msmagazine.com/podcast/fifteen-minutes-of-feminism-dead-pregnant-and-imprisoned-in-georgia-the-adriana-smith-case/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220324890 yesterday.

[WarGamer]

35. Then the desires of the family need to be respected.

[Joinfortmill]

22. Every horror is worst than the last one.

[Mosby]

23. The horror show is that lawyers are telling doctors how to practice medicine.

And no one seems to care, including the doctors.

[Kali]

25. Shes only 9 weeks?!!

Holy fuck. That is sickening and so wrong. OMG

[Crunchy Frog]

51. I believe she was 9 weeks when she had the incident

that caused the brain death. I think she's at 21 weeks now. They're planning to try to keep her like that on life support until 32 weeks.

Apparently the fetus is already showing signs of fluid in the brain, and could end up severely damaged.

[Kali]

54. insanity

Ghouls

[justaprogressive]

27. More Detail & Parallels

https://msmagazine.com/podcast/fifteen-minutes-of-feminism-dead-pregnant-and-imprisoned-in-georgia-the-adriana-smith-case/

[Evolve Dammit]

28. Agreed

[NNadir]

29. It is, i think, the height of depravity.

[yellow dahlia]

30. We are drowning in dystopian plot twists of horror.

[Deuxcents]

31. The powers that be have taken away her reproductive rights from the beginning and now her dignity to die peacefully

[BumRushDaShow]

33. This is not unusual - 20 years ago this year

a certain Senator from PA who we dub "Frothy" (Rick Santorum) made it a point to fight removal of the feeding tube of a woman who was born and raised in a suburban Philly township and was living in FL - Terry Schiavo - who had been declared "brain dead" and in "a persistent vegetative state".

Schiavo Case Now a Campaign Dilemma
By Alan K. Ota, CQ Staff

In 2005, Rick Santorum put himself in the center of the congressional debate over the fate of Terri Schiavo, a 41-year-old Florida woman who doctors said was in a persistent vegetative state after a brain injury suffered in 1990.

The goal of the second-term Pennsylvania Republican senator was to stop the removal of a feeding tube for someone whose cerebral cortex was largely gone, which Santorum depicted as “close to equivalent of someone with the disease cerebral palsy.”


ON THE SCENE: Santorum attends a vigil outside Schiavo's hospice in Florida two days before her death. (DAVID ADAME / EPA / NEWSCOM)

Proclaiming the issue to be the sanctity of life, he spoke with passion when he took the floor March 17, 2005, to plead for federal intervention to save an innocent woman “sentenced to death” by the Florida courts.

In the end, the controversy turned out very badly for congressional Republicans. Polls showed that most Americans, including a majority of Republicans, disapproved of Congress’ role in the case, a rebuke that contributed to Santorum’s 18-point defeat in the 2006 elections.

(snip)

When he ran for another term a year later, we sent him packing. He attempted to run for President in 2012 and that didn't go well.

The GOPers had battled including Jebby (who was governor) but she was finally laid to rest. This is what they do.

[angrychair]

40. Yep

I thought about referencing that case in my OP as well because some of the concepts are similar but in that case, at least, the husband and the courts were on the side of doctors and the hospital. Here the hospital is actually facilitating this nightmare and state government and the state courts have decided to torture this woman and her unborn fetus. What is happening to Adriana Smith's body and her family, is absolutely horrifying and it should be nightmare fuel for every woman, young or old, that lives in Georgia.

[SheltieLover]

34. Kick

[Hotler]

36. Christian Taliban. nt.

[Autumn]

39. The fetus may not survive according to docters. This is so fucking cruel.

[angrychair]

43. I have zero doubts

The fetus will not survive. That it's lived this long is a miracle.
Perfectly healthy and livingwoman can have unexpected complications. This is a dead person that is being forced to breath and have a heartbeat only through extraordinary means, which is not meant to keep a person's body functioning during a pregnancy.
What they are doing is desecrating a corpse and torturing that unborn fetus.

[BidenRocks]

41. Dear Pope Leo. If you get a minute.

What do you think of this? Could you straighten this up?

Amicus curiae means “friend of the court.” An amicus curiae brief is not filed by a party to an appeal. Rather, someone outside the case with an interest in its outcome will file one. An amicus curiae brief can be filed in both state and federal appellate courts.

Religion continues to be used for people control.
Anything you do is appreciated.

[Hekate]

55. The Catholic Church ruled that terminally ill people could in good conscience refuse "extraordinary measures"

This came out years ago. Families could invoke this on their loved one’s behalf. As an American, tho, you have to make certain you put your wishes in writing. Personally I think a brain dead woman in her first trimester of pregnancy counts as someone for whom extraordinary measures should be waived. Too bad she was too young to have thought of making a will or giving someone her Durable Power of Attorney.

The mother of a friend of mine was a devout Catholic, and when she went into a nursing home had already made clear in writing that in the event of total incapacitation she wanted no feeding tubes, nothing but palliative hospice care. And so it was.

The Pope only has influence over his own flock, not the noxious American Evangelicals and their legislators. They don’t listen to women — I doubt they’d listen to any Pope.

[Figarosmom]

45. I predict someone will take the hit

And unplug her. Too bad it's come to this and I can't believe it's gone on this long ready. 9 weeks...that's a loose mass of fluffy tissue.

[area51]

47. The family shouldn't have to pay one penny of the medical debt;

send the bill to the GA legislature.

[Shipwack]

52. A living woman has fewer rights than a corpse.

When I die, they can't harvest any organs or study any part of my body unless I have given consent.

Even if it's a life-or-death situation for someone that needs my kidney if I say "no" they're not getting it.

A woman, on the other hand...

[Hekate]

53. Are there prayer groups outside the hospital? Has anyone brought a life-size crucifix on a trailer hitch?

Honestly, it’s not the real deal of pro-life fanaticism until Jesus Christ shows up on a trailer hitch.

Pardon my sarcasm. I truly feel for that poor dead woman and her family. This situation is hideous.

[Martin68]

62. Conservatives are degenerate ghouls. Shades of Karen Ann Quinlan in the 70s during the Ford administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Ann_Quinlan

[Meowmee]

67. Her family can sue the hospital and the people doing this..

Make them pay at least.