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Aviation Pro

(14,342 posts)
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:38 AM May 12

Let's get one thing straight about Motherfucker Krasnov's alleged win on tariffs with China

It's a reduction from 145% to 30% on nearly all goods imported from China, which means it's a 30% sales tax on all of those goods when the end user consumers buy them. So, in the simplest terms, your product that was $100 now costs $130.

And where do you think the money collected at the point of transfer goes?

Why, bless their fucking hearts, the billionaire tax cuts.

Anyone else here connecting the fucking dots?

Fuck you, Krasnov.

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Let's get one thing straight about Motherfucker Krasnov's alleged win on tariffs with China (Original Post) Aviation Pro May 12 OP
And also, the "win" is that he imposed the tariffs, and then he reduced the tariffs. Scrivener7 May 12 #1
And I don't think the "win" will be what he PatSeg May 12 #7
Yes, except for the certainty of his instability. n/t Harker May 12 #13
Yes, that's something you can bet money on PatSeg May 12 #18
That is the Orange Prick's M.O. - Lokee11 May 12 #14
Market manipulation. moondust May 12 #21
You find the same game with jewelry. Mark it up and then have a "sale" ..uff he thinks we are stupid..nt mitch96 May 12 #30
The real "win" is in his pockets and those of his family. Justice matters. May 12 #34
The blinking idiot... Blinked. Hugin May 12 #2
He only wants the headlines to say he made a deal. forgotmylogin May 12 #22
I largely concur. Hugin May 12 #24
Pellucidly clear malaise May 12 #3
Doubtful to me this is the end point, VonSchitzInPants will take offense at something NoMoreRepugs May 12 #4
and of course the MSM is making this sound that this is a f**king victory for us. It is such bullshit, but JohnSJ May 12 #5
If you expected anything different you haven't been paying attention... Wounded Bear May 12 #6
I Think Many People OhioTim May 12 #8
One quibble Old Crank May 12 #9
And in the meantime the importer had to lay off 10% of its workforce to Ol Janx Spirit May 12 #15
"the sales price would be $115" krkaufman May 12 #19
The Sorcerer's Apprentice strikes again. BurnDoubt May 12 #10
I for one think the G.O.P. tax cuts for the rich BoRaGard May 12 #11
What a UUUUUUGE win! usonian May 12 #12
The fireman who starts the fires.... spanone May 12 #16
I thought the basis for Krasnov's imposing enormous tariffs rested in his declaration of Ford_Prefect May 12 #17
The United States will NEVER quakerboy May 12 #20
Taking credit for reducing a problem you created is BS Nigrum Cattus May 12 #23
What were the tariffs originally set to? BlueTsunami2018 May 12 #25
Quick question.... essaynnc May 12 #26
It doesn't matter with Republicans. Buddyzbuddy May 12 #27
Insider trading Iamscrewed May 12 #28
It's all optics. pandr32 May 12 #29
Meanwhile, any business large or small has already LuckyLib May 12 #31
Trump kisses Xi's ass, declares victory, and MAGATs squeal for joy. 11 Bravo May 12 #32
Probably avoids recession SupportSanity May 12 #33
One more dot: Tariffs CANNOT TAX WEALTH. Festivito May 12 #35
Only cutting off part of their noses to spite their face? czarjak May 13 #36

Scrivener7

(55,807 posts)
1. And also, the "win" is that he imposed the tariffs, and then he reduced the tariffs.
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:43 AM
May 12

He created the problem and then partially mitigated it.

Without him, the problem wouldn't have existed in the first place.

PatSeg

(50,247 posts)
7. And I don't think the "win" will be what he
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:01 AM
May 12

thinks it will be. His constant unpredictability is putting everyone on edge and in the end, everyone will still be paying much higher prices for almost everything. People need periods of stability and certainty, they'll never achieve that with Trump in the White House.

Lokee11

(356 posts)
14. That is the Orange Prick's M.O. -
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:12 AM
May 12

Though I agree with many here that it is not a win -

This is his M.O. - start a fire and then take credit for putting it out

He is a fucking DOLT!

✊FDT!

moondust

(20,879 posts)
21. Market manipulation.
Mon May 12, 2025, 01:36 PM
May 12

One corrupt asshole should not have the ability to manipulate the market like this all by himself.

mitch96

(15,226 posts)
30. You find the same game with jewelry. Mark it up and then have a "sale" ..uff he thinks we are stupid..nt
Mon May 12, 2025, 05:11 PM
May 12

Justice matters.

(8,388 posts)
34. The real "win" is in his pockets and those of his family.
Mon May 12, 2025, 07:42 PM
May 12

Over $2 Billion since the never-punished convicted felon "won" the election grifted so far by that crime family.

Hugin

(36,143 posts)
2. The blinking idiot... Blinked.
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:51 AM
May 12

At a 10% loss and huge expensive ripples and loss of good will in the global economy that are going to take many cycles to stabilize, if they ever do.

Aaaand… It could all change on a dime the next time that f**ker purses his porcine pie hole.

forgotmylogin

(7,854 posts)
22. He only wants the headlines to say he made a deal.
Mon May 12, 2025, 01:49 PM
May 12

I sincerely doubt China did anything except continue not shipping anything to our ports and Donnie calls hitting the snooze button "a deal". The deal basically was kicking the can down the road.

Hugin

(36,143 posts)
24. I largely concur.
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:09 PM
May 12

He’s ceded any economic bargaining power the US had after DOGE gutted the soft diplomacy edge to China. He’s calling that a “win”.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,355 posts)
4. Doubtful to me this is the end point, VonSchitzInPants will take offense at something
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:59 AM
May 12

at some point and the cycle will repeat.

JohnSJ

(98,773 posts)
5. and of course the MSM is making this sound that this is a f**king victory for us. It is such bullshit, but
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:16 AM
May 12

so obviously the media are carrying the water for this imbecile, and thinking the dumb ass American public will buy it, which they probably will.

It is the biggest con job, boon doogle right before everyone's eyes, and far too many idiots are buying it.

"The US and China will temporarily lower tariffs on each other's products, with the US reducing its levies from 145% to 30% and China dropping its duties from 125% to 10%.

Per Bloomberg.

What the OP said is absolutely correct, and it isn't permanent, just 90-days.


Wounded Bear

(62,041 posts)
6. If you expected anything different you haven't been paying attention...
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:58 AM
May 12

Worst fucking president ever.

OhioTim

(342 posts)
8. I Think Many People
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:18 AM
May 12

will think of this as a win. Probably get back the last US hostage in Gaza today. Decent chance of a Russia-Ukraine agreement in the next 60 days and some type of agreement in Gaza. These look good on paper, but don't pass the smell test. If his approval rating goes up, I believe phase 2 will be more repression of US citizens.

Old Crank

(5,694 posts)
9. One quibble
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:40 AM
May 12

It isn't a 100% tariff on list or sales price. It is on the imported cost. So if that item sell for $100 but the importer paid 50 the sales price would be $115.

Still a screw job for us. And more than we would have paid before.

Ol Janx Spirit

(239 posts)
15. And in the meantime the importer had to lay off 10% of its workforce to
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:23 AM
May 12

make up for the loss in profit that was compounded by the fact that even a slight rise in price will make many consumers reconsider their purchase. Also, somewhere out there an independent truck driver lost a good chunk of income from reduced cargo. That led to a diesel supplier losing sales and potentially laying off more people.

Disruptions in any area of a supply chain tend to have ripple effects that impact everyone whether we know it or not. Many many businesses will wonder why their sales went down even though they weren't impacted by tariffs and never raised prices....

krkaufman

(13,884 posts)
19. "the sales price would be $115"
Mon May 12, 2025, 01:06 PM
May 12

… if the importer is passing along the 30% tariff tax to the retail consumer. Of course, the sales price can be whatever the seller deems the market will bear, and if they feel that they can get away with bumping the price by more than just the tariff rate you can bet they’ll do so. (See the cost of laundry drying machines when tariffs were imposed on washers.)

Ford_Prefect

(8,385 posts)
17. I thought the basis for Krasnov's imposing enormous tariffs rested in his declaration of
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:28 AM
May 12

A national emergecy. Aren't there several legal challenges to this document filed which state that DJT's use of the tariffs exceeds his authority, much as many of his "orders" do?

IMO this us another gaslighting event because we don't deserve the truth according to Miller. Navaro, and Vance. Well hear the real costs next week at the grocery store, the dealerships, and the bank.

quakerboy

(14,363 posts)
20. The United States will NEVER
Mon May 12, 2025, 01:31 PM
May 12

again in my lifetime be as strong as it was the day before trump took office the second time.

Even if he wins a few battles here and there, he has lost the war. And even if the country manages to remove him from office and replaces him with someone excellent who also has really good luck in world affairs, the damage he has done to this nation will take generations to repair.

essaynnc

(908 posts)
26. Quick question....
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:23 PM
May 12

What was the tariff before he put it up to 100+%?

That's the new price to pay.......

Buddyzbuddy

(898 posts)
27. It doesn't matter with Republicans.
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:27 PM
May 12

It's all about appearances. It doesn't matter that he created a problem to "solve", or that consumers will pay 30% more than before he created the problem.
They will sell it as a win. We can obviously see it and they, Republicans, will try to distract from the truth in any way they can. And they will, easily.
Why would China accept looking weak? I suspect other than just trying to get back to business as usual, they have something else in mind. Like selling off American debt and negotiating better deals with other countries. They will use the next 90 days for positioning.
IMHO, the Felon has exposed his ass and made us weaker. Who wants to work with an unstable Country with a maniacal leader at the helm. Only our enemies that are working him. As a reward, he provides valuable information to them.
In the meantime our allies have been weakened by our betrayal and our rivals are swooping in to take advantage strategically, politically and economically.
So much for "we're number one, we're number one."
The titans of industry have been so busy trying to turn us into cheap worker bees that they lost site of needing consumers. The value of the US dollar is a balancing act but I'm concerned his actions have put us on a downward spiral. Just a layman's opinion. I hope I'm wrong.

pandr32

(13,027 posts)
29. It's all optics.
Mon May 12, 2025, 04:34 PM
May 12

The Felon's only gift is public relations. He can stage a circus better than Barnum and Bailey.
First he wrecks everything and then, as the showman he is, steps out of his gilt sky-palace plane with a so-called deal with China.

SupportSanity

(1,446 posts)
33. Probably avoids recession
Mon May 12, 2025, 06:57 PM
May 12

Was what they were saying on npr Marketplace.

Might also lights out a number of small businesses

Festivito

(13,717 posts)
35. One more dot: Tariffs CANNOT TAX WEALTH.
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:17 PM
May 12

No more income tax, only tariffs.

Finally, when government doesn't know what anyone makes nor how much anyone has....

the rich will stay rich, and the rest will forever be poorer and more poorer.

czarjak

(12,849 posts)
36. Only cutting off part of their noses to spite their face?
Tue May 13, 2025, 07:40 AM
May 13

Owning The Libs. Still priority#1.

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