Why doesn't ICE have to show identification but Citizens do?

[tavernier]

Any homicidal maniac can make and wear a printed shirt.

Apparently the ICE gangsters told the Massachusetts citizens that they didn’t have to show ID to those they questioned.

I think this would make an excellent poster for the next protest day.

[gab13by13]

1. Anyone notice the guy who arrested the mayor yesterday?

He had a plaid shirt under his "government" jacket. His insignia wasn't ICE it was HSI, Homeland Security Investigator.

I would not put it past Krasnov/Miller to be using Erik Prince people.

[2naSalit]

12. And a few...

J6 wannabes who were deputized.

I am so over it with this shit.

[bluestarone]

37. Maybe more than a few?

We WILL find out sometime!

[2naSalit]

38. I was being genreous...

But you're probably right, it's probably more than a few.

[ananda]

13. My question is: why is our country so full of psychopaths...

such horrible people willing to kill and harm others at will
without repercussions?

I know they are driven by greed and the lust for power,
but it's the lack of conscience and consequences that
really bother me and interests me.

I mean, what is it about our country that produces so
many of these kinds of people?

[Joinfortmill]

17. Sadly, the world is full of them. Trump has set ours free to wreak havov.

[ananda]

23. Even sadder, non-psychopaths voted Republican too.

I guess that's the real question.

Why would anyone with even half a conscience vote
for a Republican?

[flamingdem]

24. Greed. Wall Street gets big tax breaks

And the wealthy overall.

[Glaisne]

21. Fox News

and fascist talk radio. The entire conservative media ecosystem these freaks live in, stew in, and marinate in. It pulls them in further and further and rots their brain and makes them insane sociopaths.

[flying_wahini]

26. I think it is most Definitely Prince.

He probably still has a contract with the T admin. Probably helped Gov Hot Wheels get that piece of land for the new “detention “ center.

[sop]

2. 'ICE Ruses'

"When Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents go to homes and the community to arrest non-citizens, it’s common for them to lie about who they are and what they want from the individuals they encounter. The lies are called 'ruses.'"

"Ruses are an officially-sanctioned ICE policy, taught to new agents at the ICE Training Academy, and are subject to almost no restrictions. The Immigrant Defense Project’s lawsuit, Immigrant Defense Project, et al. v. ICE, et al., has made internal ICE training documents and memos, including those on ruses, publicly available. From the results of this Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit, IDP produced the Defend Against ICE Raids and Community Arrests Toolkit, available in English and Spanish."

"Ruses are a tactic used frequently by ICE in investigating and arresting non-citizens. Since 2013, IDP has monitored ICE arrests, tactics, and trends, and has verified hundreds of reported raids, including those involving ICE’s use of ruses."

"Though ICE’s tactics regularly evolve, ICE’s use of ruses has escalated since 2017. Familiarity with ICE tactics, like ruses, could help prevent an ICE arrest and protect loved ones. Read on to learn more about what kinds of ruses ICE uses, why they use them, and what you can do to protect yourself or loved ones. IDP has additional Know Your Rights materials here, including a flyer on the ways that ICE pretends to be local police. Find the flyer here, available in both English and Spanish."

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/ice-ruses/

Long read, but a lot of valuable information...

[tavernier]

3. Wow

Things I never knew.

Great info. Thanks!

[TommyT139]

4. So valuable - thank you!

[Celerity]

5. Please OP this. Vital information. TIA.

[sop]

6. Ok. Posted in General Discussion

[Celerity]

7. Already K&R'd.

[azureblue]

14. so who's to know

if they are who they say they are? They could be gangsters, robbers, kidnappers, pedos, etc., claiming to be agents.So, the person inside can yell back "I'm a cop", using the same logic. Or simply yell, "I am defending my home against criminals, and you sound like a criminal. I am going to shoot through the door, if you do not show proper ID."

There are cases of robbers yelling "police" to get a person to open their doors, so no one should take any chances by opening their doors to un identified people.

[Gore1FL]

8. Citizens (or residents) do not unless law enforcement can come up with Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a crime.

No RAS, No ID.

[tavernier]

9. True, but apparently they are asked to "show their papers"

We all need to polish up on knowing our rights. Thanks!

[Javaman]

10. Because nazis nt

[FBaggins]

11. Who says they don't have to show ID?

They do - though displaying a badge counts.

[Arazi]

15. Iirc, you can demand to see an ID *and* their badge

But IANAL, just going by a “Know Your Rights” flyer I saw

[bottomofthehill]

35. You can demand anything you want.

In most states there is no law that requires L/E to show ID. In some states (California) there are laws that require identification, but there is no overarching federal law and few states require.

[Arazi]

36. Oh I realize "demands" is an utterly futile word in this context

It may be a point for the lawyers in the mayor’s case (although it appears everyone involved acknowledges/knew these were law enforcement officers)

[travelingthrulife]

19. They say it. ICE says it and the local cops apparently agree.

[Joinfortmill]

16. They do, they're just not doing it.

My guess is they don't want the media investigating them or lawyers suing them.

[travelingthrulife]

18. THESE are the people that need to be doxxed.

They need to be identified along with their handlers. They are kidnapping people for no reason.

[Trust_Reality]

22. Right. No ID tells me they are kidnappers.

Observers need to have cameras rolling - from all angles. Get the people, from head to toe, their vehicles, etc. Any clue.

[paleotn]

20. I'll say it again....

One of these jackasses is going to capped. In a country downing in a seas of firearms, it's inevitable.

[jalan48]

25. Because they have the power to make it so.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. I suspect that in regards to the Mayor Baraka arrest

Those might not have been ICE Officers. They might be employees of the private contractor corporation The GEO Group, Inc.

The extreme intolerable act was their kidnapping of Mayor Bar aka on a public sidewalk.

[CrispyQ]

28. As a woman, this is beyond concerning that masked men can approach you without ID & whisk you away. -nt

[DBoon]

29. NYT: In Florida, Criminals Pose as Police More Frequently and for More Violent Ends

MIAMI — A black BMW flashing red and blue lights suddenly filled Alexandria Armeley’s rearview mirror one evening last month. At a stoplight, the BMW’s driver pulled up next to her, waved a gold badge and told her “I’m a cop.”

But Ms. Armeley was suspicious. Before she pulled over, she called her stepfather, Alex Hernandez, a police detective in Biscayne Park, Fla., who warned her that the man was probably not a police officer. Speed away, he told her.

A terrified Ms. Armeley took off and was chased by the BMW for several miles through southern Miami-Dade County. Detective Hernandez had jumped in his car to help and eventually caught up to them.

So the real officer arrested the fake officer, whose name is Daniel A. Barros. Asked why he had tried to pull over Ms. Armeley, a 23-year-old college student, Mr. Barros, 22, told officers, “She was speeding.”

We will start seeing this with ICE

[Midnight Writer]

30. Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be ICE agents.

They will be taught and trained to lie, to manhandle peaceful men, women and children, to hate.

They will grab people, people not convicted of any crime, and send them to concentration camps in foreign countries.

Is that who you want your kids to grow up to be?

[mymomwasright]

31. It's all part of the chaos/fear intention

Legitimate local police, different fed agencies, and imposters are all becoming harder to identify. The regime doesn't mind this at all.

[4th]

32. In fact they must by law show a badge or other official ID if requested. As with any law enforcement officer.

But do they?

[tavernier]

33. Nope.

Their words, “We don’t have to.” (according to witnesses, and I think some of the video clips where people are being arrested)