Pssst - the new pope has dual citizenship - corrected

[malaise]

Link to tweet

[JustAnotherGen]

1. What do you mean?

My husband is a dual citizen. At no time did he have to renounce his Italian citizenship.

[malaise]

2. Looks like That only applies to some countries

and Perunis one of them
https://imin-caribbean.com/blog/us-dual-citizenship/

[RJ-MacReady]

3. Yes we do

[malaise]

4. Corrected

Posted the link

[DFW]

5. Your had better not try to convince my children or grandchildren of that.

From birth, our daughters have been citizens of Germany and the USA. All four of our grandchildren are dual citizens as well. My brother's sons were dual citizens of the USA and Japan, but neither of them have done anything, such as passport renewal, to support their Japanese citizenship in recent decades, so I don't even know if Japan would recognize them as citizens any longer. My daughters actively renew their passports from both countries, and never let them expire before a renewal has been applied for. Both countries are aware of their status, and neither Germany nor the USA has indicated that they have a problem with his.

[malaise]

7. LOL

I realized I was wrong because I do have some relatives with dual citizenship.
Some countries don’t allow it.

[bamagal62]

9. The Czech Republic

Does not allow it and neither does (did) Hong Kong. My kids have always been pretty bummed about that.

[Ilsa]

16. China does not allow it. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

11. I have two nieces in Frieburg

My brother in law is US Citizen by birth, to Italian parents, and now a citizen in Germany.

He has multiple - and pays property and local.taxes in NY City on the property my in-laws bought for he and my younger SIL (DUPLEX) before they left.

Younger sister in law's sons both registered for selective service and to vote in the USA - even though born in Italy.

I guess our family doesn't color in the lines.

[DFW]

12. I'm guessing you meant Freiburg

If there's a "Frieburg" somewhere, I don't know where it is.

Multi-culti is really not unusual these days. It takes less time to fly from Kansas to France than it takes to drive from Kansas to California. I was appalled when Sherrod Brown guessed there were 250,000 to 300,000 American citizens living overseas. There are probably that many just from Ohio. We are NINE MILLION Americans Abroad, with exactly zero representation in DC, and only a scattered few who care (half of them, because I know them and harass them about it!).

It is well known that the U.S. passport is often the most expensive passport in the world to own. There are only two countries in the world that do not recognize Residence-Based Taxation (RBT). They are: Eritrea in Africa and the USA. Those two countries tax their citizens wherever they live. All others do not. The USA does have Double Taxation Treaties with most countries. These are supposed to eliminate any citizen getting taxed at more than the higher of the two countries in case of a residence abroad. The trouble is that these things were written decades ago, and do not take into account more recent things like a Roth IRA, or S-Corp income. Due to this, plus the fact that I have a German residence but US-based income, between Germany and the USA, I am expected to pay about 73% in income taxes. Heil Honecker! You don't know how often my Swiss friends have been telling me I'm insane not to move down there, but my wife has her 98 year old mom to take care of, and all her friends nearby (i.e. Düsseldorf), and I can't ask her to just uproot her life at age 73 for the sole reason of alleviating my financial woes. My daughter in New York gets no problems from the Germans, because her legal New York residence is good enough for the Germans to leave her alone. My other daughter in Germany makes scads of money (several multiples of what I do), but she works for a top international law firm. Her income comes from all over the world, and they know how to structure that so that she never pays more than 50%, even after the USA gets whatever cut they want from her.

In election years, I keep getting requests from candidates in places I never heard of, asking me to "step up" with a contribution. I tell them, "look, to send you a non-deductible $100, I have to earn $400. How am I supposed to keep that up if my tax bracket isn't brought down to 50%?" So, they all say, oh yes, if I'm elected, I will get on that, and introduce a bill for RBT. Well, plenty of them HAVE been elected, and I'm still waiting to hear about a bill introducing RBT. The right will probably say, "but we need the money to patrol the border!" (yeah, and fund your "fact-finding" trips to play golf at Trump's resorts) Then the left can counter, "but there are two American billionayahs living tax-free on yachts harbored off of Monte Carlo!" I'm sure there are. The 9 million others of us don't count, of course.

So, best of luck to your multi-national family. I hope they manage to navigate the land mine of international taxation. The number of us with US income and foreign residence that manage to navigate it free of scars are few and far between!

[JustAnotherGen]

13. Correct

I can't even spell Wiesbaden correctly most of the time - and I was born there.

My in laws deliberately bought that property so their two American children would have a sense of "place".

My two American/Italian nephews registered for selective service - because of a snafu my husband had when leading up to obtaining citizenship in 2020. He held a green card since 1973, and they made their three Italian children followed the rules to keep them. He had mandatory service in Italy, then stayed well beyond that.

You can't serve in two militaries at the same time. Since mandatory military service has been abolished in Italy - Cris and Nic made certain to register.

I could seriously see this Admin seizing that now very high value property in the city because the American Dual citizen who had sons didn't register.

I put nothing past this cabal.

Italy thank God only taxes us on income earned in Italy. The property taxes on our home are miniscule compared to what we pay for half the house in the US.

[DFW]

14. If Italy taxes you on income earned in Italy

The question then becomes whether or not the Americans want to tax that income again.

That is what I’m facing. Much if not most of my income is taxed in the USA before I see a Cent of it, and I paid 100% of the taxes due on my Roth IRA when I converted. That’s how the Roth IRA works. But the Germans don’t care about US law or the treaty. They want to tax everything again. If the IRS takes 39.6% and the Germans take 50%, who am I working for, anyway?

[JustAnotherGen]

15. No easy answers

The way things are looking with Social Security for Gen X? I might not ever come back to the USA when we leave. I think I'm going to set up a Trade Comolia

[a kennedy]

6. He left Chicago after High School........so what was he about 13. - 14???

Last edited Fri May 9, 2025, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Sorry, he left Chicago after grade school….so he would have been 13 - 14. So sorry.

[malaise]

8. Isn't High school closer to 17/18?

[Renew Deal]

10. From what I heard, he went to a seminary in Michigan during or after 8th grade

Pretty crazy