THIS !!!

[uponit7771]

Link to tweet

[Jim__]

1. Yes. And they did it after Reagan dropped the tariffs at their request.

[AdamGG]

22. I think it was HW Bush who gave China Most Favored Nation trading status

shortly after the Tienanmen Square massacre. The rationale that was claimed was that open trade would be democratizing for China, but it was actually about the insane amounts of money that the wealthy could make by shifting production there.

Their theory of the US influencing a country with open borders might have actually worked with Cuba, but that wasn't the point of what they were trying to do.

[SheltieLover]

2. Absofuckingloutely! And largely caused the opioid epidemic

and contributed greatly to the wave of toxic masculinity by stripping men of their means to support their families!



The repuke partu seriously need to be deemed a domestic terrorist organization. This repuke party has done much more damage to the US & the rest of the world than any other criminal gang.

[uponit7771]

16. Dems should look at bringing manufacturing back to those economically tapped out areas

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[SheltieLover]

17. Funny how slobby has made no provisions to jump start mfg in US,

isn't it?

Obv, pootin would not like that & neither would repukes who hold cruelty near & dear to their black little shrivled up hearts.

I magats think mfg jobs will magically reappear? and pay wages sufficient that HS kuds can work very part-time & be able to afford a brand new car.

[uponit7771]

24. You know what, this is so true !!! If he wanted factories here he's should be preparing with heavy subsidies

[SheltieLover]

25. Right. But not a word about subsidies.

Ps-As always, listsn for what news sources don't say!

[SheltieLover]

36. Yup!

His plan is for the tariff money to go straight into his fucking pocket!

[Clouds Passing]

34. A couple of people I know, literally thought that they would be rich as soon as dump got installed.

Now they’re wallowing in their own downfall and they still won’t blame it on dump.

[SheltieLover]

37. Covidiots!

[Clouds Passing]

39. It is stunning the level of brainwashing that has been done to people

[SheltieLover]

40. It most certainly is, Clouds.

And how readily they buy the bs is astounding, imo.

[Clouds Passing]

44. Our language needs to evolve to create new adjectives and nouns that describe this phenomenon.

Our current words do not express the depredation being committed upon us.

It’s described most accurately by ghwb “If the American people know what we have done to them, they would chase us down the streets and lynch us”

DU trivia question: Do you remember which Duer would quote that frequently? I got that from him.

[SheltieLover]

45. Ha ha ha DU trivia

No, I don't know who quoted dubya's dad, but I wasn't here then, so...

I do agree with ghwb's sentiment, though!

[Meadowoak]

51. Voo doo economics?

[SheltieLover]

53. Yup, I remember that term

[uponit7771]

46. People are wed to being right about Trump vs looking out what's best for Middle class

[SheltieLover]

38. Covidiots!

[lostnfound]

43. No. democratic tried repeatedly,.meanwhile those same areas want to kill affirmative action and hate blue states

[erronis]

3. Easier to just quote the text rather than making us shitter-averse to look at the site.

It's odd that it's
always framed that
other countries
"stole" American
jobs, and not that the
ultra wealthy shipped
our jobs away for
a quick buck.

[KT2000]

4. How do we get this into the mainstream

because none of this would have happened if US business had not rushed to the cheapest labor they could find.

Dem leaders need to find a way to talk about this but they may be afraid of losing donor themselves.

[RandomNumbers]

18. Dem politicians are enablers of the H-1B farce

that has imported foreign indentured servants for decades. (Along with Republicans. Krasnov once gave lip service to reforms, but Eloon yanked him back into the yard.)

To be fair, there have been reform proposals by some Dems that sound good. And Biden implemented a few good tweaks. But the end result is the same: I get to be the token non-Asian among a large group of programmers from various places in or near India. I do not believe that Americans are so stupid that they can't be trained to do this work - in fact, in the few isolated cases where I've been allowed to, I've had great success up-skilling Americans to work in my area.

I'm pretty sure it comes down to campaign finance. Talk about taking away the cheap indentured servant labor pool, and see how fast your Big Tech donations dry up.

[Blue Owl]

5. K&R

[TommieMommy]

6. Exactly 👍

[ShazamIam]

7. I have been wondering when our so called news orgs would point this out, nations did not steal jobs, our own

corporations choose to send the jobs out of this country for cheap labor. They don't mention that it began way back in 1981 when the tariff rules were changed to allow low and no tariff imports to facilitate the offshoring of jobs. The tariffs were pretty much eliminated in 2001 to accelerate the movement of jobs and led directly to the economic crash of 2007/08.

[Attilatheblond]

8. Some corporations also outsource jobs because they can pollute and abuse workers without worry in some countries

[AdamGG]

23. Trump aims to make them able to

pollute and abuse workers without worry in this country.

[usonian]

9. Through some good fortune, I block Twitter/X, so here it is.

No Musk are fed by viewing this image.

[dchill]

10. Simple conservative principles.

" It wasn't us that did what we did."

[AllaN01Bear]

11. modernize china, send them our factories , the rich outsourced everything and now we are paying for it.

[Stargleamer]

12. Another way to say essentially the same thing. . .

[BurnDoubt]

13. This IS how Capitalism works, right...

Imaginary Hands
Invisible Friends
Alternative Facts
Magical Thinking

This should be American Democracy's epitaph.

[Meowmee]

14. Yes

We have seen this happen with so many companies. Dexcom, which was first started with the idea of helping type 1 D, at least by some, said they wanted to help people and bring their prices down. Instead they never brought them down, did not improve the product that much, got fda approval for something they should not have, and turned themselves into a billion $ company by the above and focusing more on type 2 who are much more numerous.

All people with d should have access to low cost cgm if they want/need it. Now there is some competition but the competition is still not as good for those who need real continuous cgm. Another thing they did was to keep their tech under raps for a long time, I can't find info on it now but they may still be doing this.

In addition, relevant to this post, when they expanded, they outsourced their customer service overseas to save money- firing many employees here. The employees here were much better and were largely people who had diabetes etc.

[poozwah]

15. not odd.

if americans paid attention, this would not be odd. we are ignorant which allows the unscrupulous among us to exploit us. if, as they say, ignorance is bliss, we are the happiest people on this planet.

[ToxMarz]

19. Thank you

The world economy is the way it is, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE WANTED IT TO BE! It didn't happen to us, we made this on purpose,

[Vinca]

20. I continue to hope one lousy reporter asks Trump why he outsourced all his products if he was so

committed to manufacturing in America. He could have built his own factory if he had to.

[Initech]

21. Another problem that was the direct cause of - wait for it - republicans.

They're selling us the problem and the solution. It's a MAGA circle jerk.

[love_katz]

26. I can remember my Dad, back in the Sixties, or early Seventies saying that people should " buy American".

Unfortunately, many people in our country couldn't afford to do that, even back then. The wealthy and the corporations have artificially held wages down for decades. The wealthy also engaged in union busting, to prevent employees from being paid higher wages. We can see where this ended up going: a downward spiral in the economy, because now many people couldn't afford to buy American made products.
At first, a lot of off shoring of jobs was to Japan. A lot of the products were cheaper, but were low quality and poorly made. Eventually, foreign manufacturers figured out how to make better stuff, particularly in the case of cars and electronics. So, people started buying more foreign made stuff.
However, the policies that favored the rich and the corporations turned out to be short sighted. The wealthy got fiendishly rich by stiffing American workers and by exploiting workers abroad through low wages and no regulations for safety or exposure to environmental toxins.
Now $hitler and his henchmen are pretending that they are going to turn around a trend that has been in motion for over 50 years. And they are lying about how swiftly it will happen: Bigly! HUGE!! 11. The bestest ever 11!! 11.
What they aren't telling the rubes is that these miraculous factories will be automated, with most of the work being done by robots, so there will be very few people actually working in them.
Gee, I wonder who's working on making robots? I think his name is Eloon Muskrat. Guess who is in position to scoop up the contracts to build those robots?
So, those high paying manufacturing jobs that Dump is touting? They will benefit very few people, certainly not enough to help out the many unemployed people in former areas of manufacturing. SOS: it's all a scam, to stuff more money into pockets that have been overflowing for decades. Whatever manufacturing is brought back, it will be done at the pollution of our air, water and soil, and the sale and rape of our public lands.

[Grins]

49. One company that only sold Made in USA products: WALMART!

When the old man was in charge. He stepped down and his family took charge. And made changes.

They had to sell offshored products - or they’d have nothing to sell!!

[LudwigPastorius]

27. !

[dalton99a]

28. China didn't 'steal' our manufacturing capability. It was GIVEN to them by our corporate CEOs over the years

who couldn't wait to move their products to China along with all the engineering expertise to set up and run the factories

Apple alone sent THOUSANDS of engineers to China (product quality is excellent because of the on-site presence of these engineers)

In China, Apple is the Great Teacher. For a quarter-century, the tech giant has made massive investments in equipment and sent thousands of its top engineers to hundreds of factories across the country, training China’s workers how to meet near-impossible engineering standards and then scale production to enormous volumes.

https://www.thefp.com/p/china-apple-manufacturing-trump-tariffs

[Grins]

32. Yes!!! And Wall Street incentivized those actions...

…to increase shareholder value.

And with CEO’s now compensated with HUGE grants of stock instead of competent management performance - look out!

The business case? Sunbeam, managed by Al “Hacksaw” Dunlap.

Jobs left America because of Capitalism!

[dalton99a]

33. +1. It is the same mentality across the board - software development, technical support, customer service, etc.

The bean counters always want to move jobs OUT of the United States to where costs are lower

[Linda ladeewolf]

41. I can attest to this.

I worked for Sunbeam at the time. I warned the people in charge what Dunlap would do, they laughed at me because I worked on machinery, but I also watched the PBS documentary on him and what he’d done to the paper company, he’d taken over. They wouldn’t listen, then they merged with another company that was all set to kill them and it did. They got rid of the competition by merging with it. Products have gone downhill since then. Sunbeam was a decent company to work for, with decent pay and benefits, but it’s not that company anymore.

[uponit7771]

47. Yep, joint ventures (JVs) allowed more IP to pass than what was stolen

[niyad]

29. "not found" " this page does not exist"

[TommyT139]

30. See comment 9, above

Usonian did us the favor of de-muskifying it.

[no_hypocrisy]

31. My friend was solicited by an acquaintance to join him

in persuading American manufacturers to move their operations to China 20+ years ago. Tax incentives, wage incentives, profit incentives. He refused.

My Point: Nobody made American businesses move to China. Either their greed or enhancement of shareholder returns made them do it.

[Kid Berwyn]

35. When six companies own most of what Americans "know"...

…you get a corporate-fueled and misinformed electorate and one stupid as all hell populace.

[love_katz]

52. Plus a gazillion.

Heritage Foundation began plotting their take-over of our country back in the beginning of the 1970's. They really ramped up their efforts to get a monopoly on mainstream media by 1980, after Ronnie Raygun ( deliberately misspelled) was elected.
I realized what was going on after his reelection in 1984. I was so angry that I barely restrained myself from kicking in the television screen. I went looking for an explanation of why this had happened. Someone recommended a book by a guy named Jerry Mander: Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television. I had found mainstream media irritating for years, going back to the Sixties, but that book was a huge eye opener. I quit watching television and have never regretted it.
I realize that the Democratic party has their problems, but too many people don't realize that a big piece of our trouble is that we don't have a gigantic megaphone to blast our views into the public sphere. No wealthy people have stepped up to buy us our own media so we can extend our reach and have even a tiny chance to counter the fire hose of Reich wing lies and propaganda.
The internet should have made things better, but the lack of regulation has made it a tool of loudmouth disinformation and, sadly, too many people don't seem to have the reading and critical thinking skills to be able to reject the crap that is spewed by hateful bigots and imbeciles. Combined with the disgusting beliefs spewed by the evangelical churches, the result is that too many people are so badly misinformed that they can't be reached. At this late date in history, it appears that the only way for this to change is through FAFO. The worst of the Cult is a lost cause, but maybe the disaffected who didn't bother to vote will finally begin to get the fact that they need to participate, whether they want to or not.

[Emile]

42. If they did bring the jobs back, robots would do the work.

[uponit7771]

48. Yep!!! They shipped the jobs when automation was more expensive now it's cheaper and more precise

[Johonny]

50. Many outsourced jobs for no reason at all

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It didn't save money. And it added cost to building new factories, shipping, longer time tables
Why did they do it?

Because it was the fad and CEOs are mostly morons that do with consultants tell them to do. And upping stock prices matter more to job reviews than anything else.

[uponit7771]

55. "and CEOs are mostly morons"👈🏿👈🏿👈🏿 THIS !! There's no competition at CEO levels due to lack of diversity it's ...

... mostly one type of person and group think is more normalized.

There should be a whole thread on the fact that the money savings from these some of shoring moves were literally in margins and not worth it.

[womanofthehills]

54. Another problem is - the factories will probably go in poor communities

Because most people do not want a factory (especially if it pollutes) in their community. When Intel first moved to NM - they had to buy out blocks of houses around their buildings as people were complaining about headaches, sickness , etc from stacks. Hopefully - discharge filters have improved since then.