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highplainsdem

(56,282 posts)
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:49 PM May 2

For the 2025 world science fiction convention, organizers used ChatGPT to vet program participants. It backfired.

The convention is 3-1/2 months away. Mid-August in Seattle. The worldcon chair has responded to the understandable backlash with a brief apology today -https://seattlein2025.org/2025/05/02/apology-and-response-from-chair/ - and a promise of a "fuller apology" and an outline of their "next steps" - which I hope aren't being suggested by ChatGPT - by next Tuesday.

It was an insane decision to use that chatbot. Writers and artists and filmmakers mostly hate generative AI, which has been trained on stolen work, including theirs. And ChatGPT, like other genAI tools, is notorious for getting things wrong.

The organizers couldn't have been unaware of this unless they'd avoided all news on AI the last couple of years.

And yet they used ChatGPT, and the worldcon chair issued this explanation April 30:

https://seattlein2025.org/2025/04/30/statement-from-worldcon-chair-2/

We received more than 1,300 panelist applicants for Seattle Worldcon 2025. Building on the work of previous Worldcons, we chose to vet program participants before inviting them to be on our program. We communicated this intention to applicants in the instructions of our panelist interest form.

In order to enhance our process for vetting, volunteer staff also chose to test a process utilizing a script that used ChatGPT. The sole purpose of using this LLM was to automate and aggregate the usual online searches for participant vetting, which can take up to 10–30 minutes per applicant as you enter a person’s name, plus the search terms one by one. Using this script drastically shortened the search process by finding and aggregating sources to review.

Specifically, we created a query, including a requirement to provide sources, and entered no information about the applicant into the script except for their name. As generative AI can be unreliable, we built in an additional step for human review of all results with additional searches done by a human as necessary. An expert in LLMs who has been working in the field since the 1990s reviewed our process and found that privacy was protected and respected, but cautioned that, as we knew, the process might return false results.


And this process "saved literally hundreds of hours of volunteer staff time.". Well, maybe.

Buf it offended and upset nearly everyone who heard about it and responded online.

It also approved people with no real credentials and turned down peop!e with lots of professional credentials.

See the 100+ replies at the link above, and more comments here:

https://file770.com/responding-to-controversy-seattle-worldcon/

and this page of Bluesky comments using the keywords worldcon and chatgpt:

https://bsky.app/search?q=worldcon+chatgpt

I saw comments from people saying they won't attend, even withdrawing work nominated for an award.

Some people who'd wanted to be on panels want to know exactly what the ChatGPT results said about them. Otherwise, they won't know if the chatbot missed some or all of their qualifications, hallucinated things they'd supposedly done, or scrambled their identity with that of other people.

The organizers were reminded that chatbots show racist and sexist biases, in addition to hallucinating.

The main suggestion was that the worldcon organizers scrap the ChatGPT results and start over.

Or maybe resign and have a new team start over.
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For the 2025 world science fiction convention, organizers used ChatGPT to vet program participants. It backfired. (Original Post) highplainsdem May 2 OP
Not such a smart idea... I love World Con. Only been to 2 of them.... electric_blue68 May 3 #1
Hope you can go. One of the big and unanticipated worries this year is what non-US writers and fans highplainsdem May 3 #2
Ty. I would say so! (last para) electric_blue68 May 3 #4
One worldcon and a couple of smaller cons. I had friends who went to a lot more. highplainsdem May 3 #5
Good to get to some cons. electric_blue68 May 3 #6
Futurism article: "Worldcon Is Getting Eviscerated for Using AI to Select Panelists" highplainsdem May 3 #3

electric_blue68

(21,558 posts)
1. Not such a smart idea... I love World Con. Only been to 2 of them....
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:18 AM
May 3

and only for 1 day each time ($ issues).

Enough $ to pay for 1 day, and train fare! So they had to be East Coast not too far.

Baltimore. JMS (Babylon 5) was Guest Speaker but had ? Pneumonia something nasty enough to keep him away. But he did do a live phone in which was cool.

Then Phildelphia, which was extra cool because I did vote for Philadelphia at the Baltimore WC.

The sad thing was 9-11 happened fairly soon after (I'm a NYC'r who spent '80 - '81 on the 73rd flr of SouthTower 2), and I then totally forgot about Philcon until weeks waaaay later when I opened a particular draw, and found the program, and events schedule "book".

I still have stuff from both! 🩷🚀🩷

I see my next possible chance is Montreal in 2027. I doubt I can save up enough, though.

highplainsdem

(56,282 posts)
2. Hope you can go. One of the big and unanticipated worries this year is what non-US writers and fans
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:07 PM
May 3

might have to deal with because of the insane, brutal Trump regime, and that's likely to keep some away even if they'd planned on attending.

This idiocy with using ChatGPT to vet participants, though, is likely to affect almost everyone there, especially if the organizers who created this mess don't toss everything done so far and start over, with humans doing the work. And they're running out of time for people to make plans if those plans are at all dependent on how much they'll be participating.

Plus the people who thought ChatGPT use would be just fine showed a stunning lack of respect and concern for all the writers, artists and filmmakers whose work has been ripped off and exploited. Those who did make this decision and cooperated with it should be identified and should sign the "fuller apology" the worldcon chair is promising will be offered next week. Otherwise, other organizers in no way involved with this ChatGPT fiasco will be unfairly suspect and blamed.

You really can't support use of generative AI that rips off creatives, and at the same time claim - credibly, anyway - to support those creatives and the arts.

electric_blue68

(21,558 posts)
6. Good to get to some cons.
Sat May 3, 2025, 11:06 PM
May 3

Waaaay back I went to some smaller cons in Tarrytown (north of NYC). Storybook on Long island (a pretty long train ride)
One in Philadelphia.

Wished but probably will never happen having a World Con in NYC.
(blargh 👎, of course it's a money issue but, still, BAH! )

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