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Can someone explain to me why the vatican broke protocol for (Original Post) niyad Apr 2025 OP
What protocol? EX500rider Apr 2025 #1
dress code Skittles Apr 2025 #2
See post 7 niyad Apr 2025 #9
Seems to be a lot of blue suits in the pics though EX500rider Apr 2025 #24
apparently this was in regards to seating arrangements Skittles Apr 2025 #32
It looks like he is sitting in the 1st row BigmanPigman Apr 2025 #40
They were seated alphabetically, other than Argentina and Italy. nt sl8 Apr 2025 #43
Damn, too bad we aren't Zaire. BigmanPigman Apr 2025 #49
If you look at the pics there were several men wearing blue suits/jackets Meowmee Apr 2025 #46
see Post 32 Skittles Apr 2025 #47
President Biden was wearing a black suit, as every picture shows. niyad Apr 2025 #53
It looks navy blue to me, and others said it was blue Meowmee Apr 2025 #57
Looked black to me, and to nearly everyone who saw it . Colour perception niyad Apr 2025 #62
See post 7 niyad Apr 2025 #8
I've heard that navy blue is acceptable, but what hasn't been explained is how he got moved TheRickles Apr 2025 #3
I'd read that as well. SheltieLover Apr 2025 #5
I read that the first row was reserved for Catholic royalty. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2025 #7
That was what some people expected, Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #22
The Vatican said it would seat all royalty together and not differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic dflprincess Apr 2025 #30
These are guide lines that a cardinal or bishop can alter. Jacson6 Apr 2025 #72
That was NOT navy blue but a bright blue. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2025 #13
This photo looks like it was color-enhanced to appear bright blue, while the photo in Comment #34 is clearly navy blue TheRickles Apr 2025 #17
The photos and video I've seen make it look bright blue, not navy. dflprincess Apr 2025 #31
Yikes, had not even thought about his ugly, too-long, red tie. niyad Apr 2025 #64
That's the "protocol" I was thinking about.. TY Cha Apr 2025 #14
And that was the protocol I meant. niyad Apr 2025 #16
"Protocol" is what is expected SCantiGOP Apr 2025 #39
see post 7 niyad Apr 2025 #44
I've been wondering as well malaise Apr 2025 #4
Maybe he requested... littlemissmartypants Apr 2025 #6
And she spent it at a funeral. .sitting next to her loving spouse. Perfect day. niyad Apr 2025 #10
I feel badly for those with functioning olfactory senses BigmanPigman Apr 2025 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2025 #11
They knew how to shut him up Red Mountain Apr 2025 #12
I did see other blue suits, but they were darker shades. niyad Apr 2025 #15
Can you really see someone telling him he can't come in? No i can't either. Srkdqltr Apr 2025 #18
See post 7 niyad Apr 2025 #19
They didn't. Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #20
From what I had read on Friday, heads of state would be seated as you indicated. . niyad Apr 2025 #23
That was the thinking in advance, by a number of people, Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #45
Dang it. sl8 Apr 2025 #25
If they did break protocol, it wasn't just for Trump. sl8 Apr 2025 #21
Maybe the slob doesn't own a black suit? nt Jit423 Apr 2025 #26
The want Satan front and center to compare. yourout Apr 2025 #27
A strong possibility! niyad Apr 2025 #51
Melania appeared to be trying to dress like Jackie Kennedy LisaM Apr 2025 #28
Good point! Cha Apr 2025 #35
Yeah, she kept reminding me of something... LisaM Apr 2025 #38
I just looked it up... she a "practicing Roman Catholic".. Cha Apr 2025 #41
Practicing for a role in the inquisition? niyad Apr 2025 #65
I believe you are correct. niyad Apr 2025 #50
I wonder, when the time comes, if they'll bury him in that stupid blue suit? red dog 1 Apr 2025 #29
Last week would be nice. niyad Apr 2025 #52
They put him in the front row so that he would be downwind of the important guests. Orrex Apr 2025 #33
But of course!!! niyad Apr 2025 #54
That's what I think. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2025 #69
Insanity Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #34
Maybe they just felt like dobleremolque Apr 2025 #36
There is that! niyad Apr 2025 #55
Maybe they were grateful he didn't send Vance Warpy Apr 2025 #37
Had not thought of that! niyad Apr 2025 #56
Do we know that they did? Meowmee Apr 2025 #48
Of all the things Trump has done I can't believe we are still talking about doc03 Apr 2025 #58
It is about messaging. niyad Apr 2025 #63
I suspected they'd tweak the arrangements as necessary Buns_of_Fire Apr 2025 #59
True. niyad Apr 2025 #67
Maybe it had something to do with getting Trump to sit down with Zelenski. N/T lapucelle Apr 2025 #60
A most interesting point. niyad Apr 2025 #68
It's the old joke: Where can a 500 pound Gorilla sit? tavernier Apr 2025 #61
Snicker. I can just see the Vatican clean-up team with gallon jugs of niyad Apr 2025 #66
Because the Church is a business and conservative Americans are its most lucrative customer. Midnight Writer Apr 2025 #70
A most interesting point. niyad Apr 2025 #71

Skittles

(169,244 posts)
32. apparently this was in regards to seating arrangements
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:10 PM
Apr 2025

whatever it is about, Trump ALWAYS makes himself the topic of conversation

BigmanPigman

(54,533 posts)
40. It looks like he is sitting in the 1st row
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:14 PM
Apr 2025

I read he would be in the 3rd row. I guess it's sort of like trying to seat all the Academy Awards celebrities....lots of egos need to be addressed in order to seat them.

sl8

(16,967 posts)
43. They were seated alphabetically, other than Argentina and Italy. nt
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:22 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:00 PM - Edit history (1)

BigmanPigman

(54,533 posts)
49. Damn, too bad we aren't Zaire.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:13 AM
Apr 2025

He shouldn't even have been given a seat unless it was at the "kiddie table" in a different room. That would match his mental maturity...a 6 hear old, maybe even a 4 year old.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
46. If you look at the pics there were several men wearing blue suits/jackets
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:12 PM
Apr 2025

Including Biden and Prince William.

niyad

(129,333 posts)
62. Looked black to me, and to nearly everyone who saw it . Colour perception
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:18 AM
Apr 2025

is individual.

TheRickles

(3,122 posts)
3. I've heard that navy blue is acceptable, but what hasn't been explained is how he got moved
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 07:26 PM
Apr 2025

From third row to first (normally reserved for royalty). Sorry that I cannot remember the source for this info.....

greatauntoftriplets

(178,590 posts)
7. I read that the first row was reserved for Catholic royalty.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 07:55 PM
Apr 2025

The second for non-Catholic royalty, and the third for other dignitaries -- presidents, prime ministers, etc.

Ms. Toad

(38,092 posts)
22. That was what some people expected,
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:37 PM
Apr 2025

Leading to speculation Trump was throwing his weight around. But that seating order was not what was used. Heads of states were in the first row, alphabetically according to their French names. I think the Catholic dignitaries may have been front row in a different side.

dflprincess

(29,135 posts)
30. The Vatican said it would seat all royalty together and not differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:02 PM
Apr 2025

still doesn't explain Trump.

Jacson6

(1,737 posts)
72. These are guide lines that a cardinal or bishop can alter.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 03:20 PM
Apr 2025

Beside Francis was all about inclusion that DJT hates.

dflprincess

(29,135 posts)
31. The photos and video I've seen make it look bright blue, not navy.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:09 PM
Apr 2025

Maybe it depended on how the light was hitting it.

At least he didn't wear a red tie.

SCantiGOP

(14,647 posts)
39. "Protocol" is what is expected
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:09 PM
Apr 2025

I can’t see anybody being turned away for a breech of the dress code.

littlemissmartypants

(31,428 posts)
6. Maybe he requested...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 07:38 PM
Apr 2025

Being closer to the toilet.
S/

OT
It's Melania's 55th birthday today. Oh, well.

❤️

niyad

(129,333 posts)
10. And she spent it at a funeral. .sitting next to her loving spouse. Perfect day.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:02 PM
Apr 2025

oh, and she has to fly back and forth with him.

BigmanPigman

(54,533 posts)
42. I feel badly for those with functioning olfactory senses
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:22 PM
Apr 2025

being forced to sit near Mr. Farts A. Lot. PU!

I hope they had many scented tissues in their possession beforehand.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Red Mountain

(2,247 posts)
12. They knew how to shut him up
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:16 PM
Apr 2025

and wanted the day to be about the funeral, not $trump and his ego.

He wore a blue suit. Not a terrible slight but noticeable where he was seated. Unique where he was seated, even.

Broader crowd view shows more blue suits.

They didn't do him any favors. Made him look like an asshole outlier.

Ms. Toad

(38,092 posts)
20. They didn't.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:33 PM
Apr 2025

State leaders were seated in the first row, with Argentina first, and Italy second (for obvious reasons). After that, they were seated alphabetically, using their French names. In French, the United States begins with an E. Pretty close to the beginning of the alphabet.

niyad

(129,333 posts)
23. From what I had read on Friday, heads of state would be seated as you indicated. .
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:37 PM
Apr 2025

but in the third row. Crowned heads, etc, first and second rows.

Ms. Toad

(38,092 posts)
45. That was the thinking in advance, by a number of people,
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:59 PM
Apr 2025

But it turned out to be incorrect.

sl8

(16,967 posts)
25. Dang it.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:42 PM
Apr 2025

I was writing essentially the same thing, but a few minutes behind you.

Curses - foiled again.

sl8

(16,967 posts)
21. If they did break protocol, it wasn't just for Trump.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:36 PM
Apr 2025

There were plenty of other presidents in the front row other than Trump. They were arranged alphabetically (except for Argentina and Italy), by their country's French names ( e.g., "États-Unis", not "United States" ). Trump was seated with Estonia and Spain (Espagne) on one side of him and Finland and France on the other. The Spanish head (heads?) of state is royalty, the other three I mentioned are presidents.

LisaM

(29,465 posts)
28. Melania appeared to be trying to dress like Jackie Kennedy
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:55 PM
Apr 2025

at JFK's funeral. She looked as if she were wearing widow's weeds, which seems wildly inappropriate.

LisaM

(29,465 posts)
38. Yeah, she kept reminding me of something...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:06 PM
Apr 2025

then it hit me. Surprised she didn't bring along a small child to salute the coffin.

Cha

(316,437 posts)
41. I just looked it up... she a "practicing Roman Catholic"..
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:17 PM
Apr 2025

but she's heartless and soulless so that makes her a freaking world class Hypocrite

Iamscrewed

(486 posts)
34. Insanity
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:14 PM
Apr 2025

Or just us. The rest of the world went nuts unfortunately we're along for the ride.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
48. Do we know that they did?
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:15 PM
Apr 2025

I saw one article mentioned here that said he would be in the third row, but was that coming from the Vatican?

doc03

(38,785 posts)
58. Of all the things Trump has done I can't believe we are still talking about
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 05:52 AM
Apr 2025

a blue suit. It is not like he showed up dressed like Kid Rock. If he wore a black suit, he would still an asshole.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,975 posts)
59. I suspected they'd tweak the arrangements as necessary
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:14 AM
Apr 2025

to ensure that this remained Pope Francis' day, not "American Shitstain Starts Riot at Pope's Funeral" day.

tavernier

(14,209 posts)
61. It's the old joke: Where can a 500 pound Gorilla sit?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:03 AM
Apr 2025

Answer: Anywhere he wants.

Rump is an easily triggered lunatic with a grenade in his pocket. Best to keep him calm while around other humans and sprinkle the room with Holy Water once he leaves.

niyad

(129,333 posts)
66. Snicker. I can just see the Vatican clean-up team with gallon jugs of
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:28 AM
Apr 2025

holy water spraying everything he came in contact with down.

Midnight Writer

(25,120 posts)
70. Because the Church is a business and conservative Americans are its most lucrative customer.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 01:57 PM
Apr 2025
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