Beyond a Constitutional Crisis

[orangecrush]

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[Ollie Garkie]

1. Coup. Nt

[Baron2024]

2. It Is A Coup

It is a coup and someone in the Federal government that is loyal to their oath to the Constitution and not to the Dictator Trump needs to arrest Musk and his criminal DOGE agents immediately. Dems in Congress need to get on TV ASAP and demand Musk's arrest.

[elleng]

3. Treasury documents 'handed over' to doge by Treasury Secretary may be #1 violation.

Handed

[Morbius]

4. In fairness...

We know for certain that Musk has access to all our information and to the government levers which control payments. We may suspect but we do not yet know that he is directing payments according to his preferences. Let's watch him very carefully and see. But we don't yet have evidence to support the claim.

[TurboDem]

5. WTF?

I know for certain the slasher has a knife to my throat. I suspect, but do not yet know that he is going to thrust the tip of it into my jugular vein and rip my throat open. I'm going to watch him very carefully and see what he is going to do. But I don't yet have evidence to support the claim.

[Morbius]

6. Okay.

I am not saying we don't have reason to be concerned. There is no justification for Musk to have this access or this information. It's wrong. But it is also true that he hasn't YET used it. We should stick to the truth, the facts, because ONE SIDE AT LEAST SHOULD BE TRUTHFUL.

Okay?

[Baron2024]

8. Waiting For Verification

If you wait for something to be verified by journalists it has already happened and it is too late to do anything about it. The horse is out of the barn and we are just reactive. We have to anticipate what the enemy is trying to do if we are going to stop them. That requires some speculation. In chess you have to think several moves ahead if you are to have any chance to win. I know that we have to understand what is true but speculating is not lying. We have to stop playing catch up with these people and we need to get ahead of them. I understand your point but we have to stop playing checkers with these people and start playing chess. And play to win.

[Morbius]

12. We have received enough.

It has been reported that Musk has access to everyone's social security number, name, date of birth and so on. It has been reported that the department which handles disbursement of federal dollars is under his control. The fact that he CAN do evil things is quite enough reason to try and stop him, and we should do all we can. All I'm saying is, if we want to maintain any credibility (which I see as essential in a battle of ideas), we need to stick to the facts. If we claim he is capriciously withholding federal funds from anyone without any evidence, no one will believe us when we get the evidence - most likely quite soon.

"Waiting for evidence" is not what I'm calling for. There's lot of evidence that a breach of protocol has occurred. Let's talk about that.

[Think. Again.]

9. There's a gasoline soaked rag burning in my garage...

...it's just the rag though, the house isn't factually burning, so I'm just gonna watch it until I can truthfully say it is a danger to my house.

I wouldn't want to be untruthful.

[returnee]

19. He should be stopped immediately.

Anything else is just plain naively silly.

[Scrivener7]

13. I can't believe this kind of toxic complacency is STILL showing up here.

"Patience grasshopper" is the asinine attitude that got us here in the first place.

[OldBaldy1701E]

14. Hear Hear!

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[Morbius]

16. If you actually read what I wrote

You would realize I am not advocating for patience. I am advocating against claiming things that we don't know are true - yet. Read what's there before criticizing me.

[Scrivener7]

18. Read what's happening before telling us we aren't seeing what is happening.

[orangecrush]

17. See ya

[Pachamama]

7. A cyber-coup...

Bloodless….so far…

[Mike 03]

10. Yup. We've moved from "Constitutional Crisis" to plot of the next

James Bond movie. Or next Batman movie, if you prefer. "Revenge of the Dipshits"

[Meowmee]

11. Treachery

[tishaLA]

15. It makes the doom scrolling during COVID

seem positively quaint.

What a fucking mess.