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BREAKING: KAMALA ROBBED OF 3,565,000 VOTES (Original Post) Galraedia Tuesday OP
Not accurate. WarGamer Tuesday #1
No, these voters were purged from the voter rolls. SnoopDog Tuesday #7
In all 7 turning point States? WarGamer Tuesday #26
Yes in the swing states... those are the critical states. Nt SnoopDog Tuesday #30
SnoopDog get it correct. rich7862 Tuesday #76
Our answer to Mike Lindell HereForTheParty 14 hrs ago #107
clarify... if you think that's incorrect... clarify. WarGamer 12 hrs ago #109
Palast must have a new book to sell. tritsofme Tuesday #2
Yep. The grift game isn't limited to conservatives. BannonsLiver Tuesday #3
Why grift because he has a book to sell and explain what happened? Did you read his book Escurumbele Tuesday #32
How many times ElementaryPenguin 15 hrs ago #102
Dunno? Probably the first time? Are you keeping count? tritsofme 15 hrs ago #104
Not this Palast chit again. Silent Type Tuesday #4
So, you don't care that the election was stolen? Nt SnoopDog Tuesday #8
It was wasn't stolen because of purged votes. Palast has been full of it for years. Silent Type Tuesday #9
It's purged voters, not purge votes. SnoopDog Tuesday #12
More accurately given he doesn't link to the data and my initial searches only turned up results that went back to him EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #14
No he has actual data. You choose to not recognize it. SnoopDog Tuesday #17
Right...data in the "Sidney Powell" sense of the term. tritsofme Tuesday #22
Then why doesn't he point to the direct source? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #24
The data he presents in his article has no links to sources. Wiz Imp Tuesday #56
Maybe you should read the article again... SnoopDog Tuesday #59
No. Maybe you should. Wiz Imp Tuesday #65
I thought every one here believed in truth and democracy. I think I was wrong unless we have trolls. rich7862 Tuesday #78
We dont just make shit up because it makes us feel good prodigitalson 21 hrs ago #85
Mike Lindell said the same thing 4 years ago Polybius Tuesday #71
I've been purged at least 4 times when I moved. Call up Palast and ask him to find one Silent Type Tuesday #15
Oh, you mentioned provisional ballots... SnoopDog Tuesday #18
Again, find one example of a REAL person showing up and being denied. Silent Type Tuesday #19
How about you doing some work here... SnoopDog Tuesday #23
The truth is we lost. These unfounded reasons make us look stupid and like liars. Silent Type Tuesday #35
Really, that is the truth? SnoopDog Tuesday #37
Nobody needs to be convinced. It's a small-time conspiracy theory tritsofme Tuesday #38
The packed and stolen Republican Supreme Court ruled that voters can be purged... SnoopDog Tuesday #39
Why do you suppose actual credible people like Marc Elias are not leading the charge or embracing these theories? tritsofme Tuesday #40
You should ask him... SnoopDog Tuesday #41
I don't have to. I know he's not gullible enough to fall for dumb conspiracy theories pushed by hucksters. tritsofme Tuesday #42
That's just it... it isn't a conspircy theory SnoopDog Tuesday #45
And yet no one with any credibility has embraced the idea that the election was stolen. tritsofme Tuesday #47
Palast is very credible... SnoopDog Tuesday #48
Sure...at knowing his audience, and making a living off of them. tritsofme Tuesday #50
Yeah he's real credible... Wiz Imp Tuesday #75
Why were Gretchen Whitmer and Jocelyn Benson complicit in disenfranchising Michigan voters? n/t MichMan Tuesday #51
Were they? Maybe provide some info on that... SnoopDog Tuesday #57
Palast said the swing states (like Michigan) illegally purged millions of voters MichMan Tuesday #60
Me too... SnoopDog Tuesday #62
You still haven't answered why Democrats like Whitmer and Benson would be involved in illegal vote suppression MichMan Tuesday #64
He has been asked. He says it's all bullshit. Wiz Imp Tuesday #58
Can you provide any links to support your post? SnoopDog Tuesday #61
Here Wiz Imp Tuesday #67
"The only way repubs win is by cheating." ForgedCrank Tuesday #49
Actually MOST Americans support Democratic policies. SnoopDog Tuesday #53
What is ForgedCrank Tuesday #70
at least in illinois orleans 20 hrs ago #87
Yes you are correct... SnoopDog 20 hrs ago #88
that's what i was saying - if they aren't told or hear about this on a liberal radio station chances are they don't kno orleans 13 hrs ago #108
Also worth noting, Illinois has same day registration so even if you were purged you could register that day questionseverything 19 hrs ago #92
If you actually read the article you would know provisional ballots are rarely counted questionseverything Tuesday #27
Once again, find one person who showed up at polls and couldn't vote because they were purged. Silent Type Tuesday #36
Surely out of 3.5 million, one would think there would be hundreds of thousands of them MichMan Tuesday #52
In Atlanta in 2018, Palast started this junk. The Atlanta Journal found 4 people who couldn't vote, but turned out Silent Type Tuesday #55
You need to produce proof of that claim questionseverything 18 hrs ago #99
Post #44 has lists of articles showing what you request questionseverything Yesterday #82
Not one purged person who showed up to vote and was denied. Seems simple, but so far nothing. Silent Type 22 hrs ago #83
You keep saying that but it's simply not true questionseverything 19 hrs ago #90
Then, find of example of just one person who showed up to vote and was denied because they were purged. That is simple. Silent Type 19 hrs ago #94
If what you are mimicking was true, why would Biden be suing? questionseverything 19 hrs ago #91
How far did suits get? Just show me one person that was purged and showed up to vote. That should be simple. Silent Type 19 hrs ago #93
So you are saying president Biden had no reason to file lawsuits? questionseverything 19 hrs ago #95
I'm saying you can't produce evidence of one person showing up who was purged. If DOJ couldn't either, then Silent Type 19 hrs ago #96
The doj has proof, palast has proof, you are like an incorrect broken record questionseverything 19 hrs ago #97
Produce it. 3.7M purged votes is proof of nothing but voting rolls have a lot of dead, moved, tuned out people on rolls. Silent Type 19 hrs ago #98
And what makes you think those purged votes would have gone to Harris? Oh, Palast told you. Silent Type Tuesday #43
Come on we are better than that. Groundhawg Tuesday #28
Not sure what your post I means...? SnoopDog Tuesday #33
Yawn. Ho-hum. Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #5
We're getting into 4 Seasons Landscaping territory here. BannonsLiver Tuesday #21
But Rudy is legit famous. This is like that sidekick from ToolTime's 2nd cousin at 4Seasons Landscaping. Maru Kitteh Tuesday #69
Greg Palast investigation Alice Kramden Tuesday #6
Just because Trump once orchestrated an insurrection to overthrow Emile Tuesday #10
Is there a real source on this and not some guy on Youtube? Initech Tuesday #11
Palast isn't some guy on YouTube, and... SnoopDog Tuesday #13
Oh I didn't know it was Palast. Initech Tuesday #16
And he started... 2naSalit Tuesday #31
Voter names were purged - yes - but many of those voters re-registered and they DID vote FakeNoose Tuesday #20
No, these voters were purged because they were... SnoopDog Tuesday #25
Just as an example, in ny to vote in the general election you must be registered by October 25th questionseverything Tuesday #29
Wow, I guess all of the hub bub about purged voters Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #34
EXACTLY. I don't know what's worse, B.See Tuesday #44
Thank you, B.See for all of the supplemental Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #68
I was wondering where all the people who voted for her in 2020 went to. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #46
They voluntarily stood home Polybius Tuesday #72
So if voter purges don't help Republicans win Diraven Tuesday #54
Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report usonian Tuesday #63
Tip of the iceberg. I will guarantee a lot more than 3.5 million voters wore thrown off the voter rolls. Botany Tuesday #66
You guarantee it? I guess that means you have proof. Care to share it with us? Wiz Imp Tuesday #74
You want proof? Botany Tuesday #77
Just like I thought. You didn't like the result so Trump cheated. Thanks and Bye. Wiz Imp Tuesday #80
R you breaking up with me? How will I go on? Botany Tuesday #81
Cheaters cheat tintinvotes 15 hrs ago #101
Yeah sure Polybius Tuesday #73
This is such dangerous rhetoric. Self Esteem Tuesday #79
Its like blaming the refs for a loss Mountainguy 22 hrs ago #84
Read the Palast article... SnoopDog 20 hrs ago #89
I did. No evidence was provided that a) these were active voters b) Democratic voters and C) Harris voters. Self Esteem 15 hrs ago #100
No evidence? SnoopDog 15 hrs ago #103
Yup. No evidence. Zero. Self Esteem 14 hrs ago #105
I'm guessing that you don't understand voter purges... SnoopDog 14 hrs ago #106
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WarGamer

(16,071 posts)
1. Not accurate.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:22 PM
Tuesday

2020 was an "asterisk" election with voting laws temporarily changed because of the COVID pandemic.

So "robbed" implies votes taken away... in reality it was a failure in GOTV.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
7. No, these voters were purged from the voter rolls.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:15 PM
Tuesday

This is how the repubs stole the 2024 election-voter suppression.

rich7862

(277 posts)
76. SnoopDog get it correct.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:46 PM
Tuesday

Even the military vote from outside the country was trashed. Dejoy, controlling the mail in voting. trump is an illegal president.

Escurumbele

(3,697 posts)
32. Why grift because he has a book to sell and explain what happened? Did you read his book
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:24 PM
Tuesday

"Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps"? Very good, very informative and factual.

This is how it works:
1. He does the investigation, sometimes using his own money, sometimes he has sponsors.
2. Works for months to do the analysis of the data, to filter it, to make sense of it.
3. He writes his findings.
4. He writes the book
5. Now he is entitled to sell it and hopefully make a profit for all the work he has done, that if you think about it? It is a service to us all.

Now...Democrats KNEW all too well these people were going to cheat, they were warned, they knew the only way trump could win was by cheating, so why didn't the DNC get ready to prevent the cheating? Why is it that Democrats always seem to be reacting instead of being proactive. And what are they doing now to prevent the chaos that has already begun?

Many of you may not agree with my previous paragraph, but these things were known that would happen. I exchanged emails with the guy who runs the DNC in my state, I asked him many times to tell me if Democrats were trying to prevent the cheating that we all knew would happen, he never answered that question.

Sometimes I think Democrats decided to do nothing to allow these crooks to create chaos, to destroy, to inflict pain on people so that next elections they can win easy, but at what cost? The cost is too great, and if my suspensions are correct, trump is taking orders from Putin, the devastation to our government and economy is going to be so immense that it will take many years to recover, and that is if these people don't change the laws to stay in power indefinitely, just like Putin has. I don't think trump will last that long but, the crooks behind him are very dangerous, when there is no patriotism, it becomes very hard to control the traitors, just look at countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
12. It's purged voters, not purge votes.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:41 PM
Tuesday

Palast has the data, but you say he’s full of it.

Maybe this is why we lose elections…

EdmondDantes_

(215 posts)
14. More accurately given he doesn't link to the data and my initial searches only turned up results that went back to him
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:48 PM
Tuesday

Palast says he has the data, but doesn't actually have it. He's been selling this same thing for decades now and has never been proven correct.

Wiz Imp

(3,102 posts)
56. The data he presents in his article has no links to sources.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:47 PM
Tuesday

He may very well have made it all up for all anyone knows. If the data is real, he needs to show where it came from. He has not done that and likely won't because it's all BS.

Wiz Imp

(3,102 posts)
65. No. Maybe you should.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:02 PM
Tuesday

I've read the article at least 5 times. So tell me where he got the number of mail-in ballots disqualified due to a minor error? You say he provides the data so you should be able to tell me.

rich7862

(277 posts)
78. I thought every one here believed in truth and democracy. I think I was wrong unless we have trolls.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:50 PM
Tuesday

Silent Type

(7,880 posts)
15. I've been purged at least 4 times when I moved. Call up Palast and ask him to find one
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:50 PM
Tuesday

person who showed up at polls and wasn’t allowed to vote at least provisionally. Palsy has nothing but knows some people will believe anything.

We lose elections because of crap like this.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
18. Oh, you mentioned provisional ballots...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:57 PM
Tuesday

A voter gets purged. S/he shows up to vote but is not on the rolls. Then given a provisional ballot. Fills it out and cast the p-ballot. It is never counted…get it?

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
23. How about you doing some work here...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:10 PM
Tuesday

Go to: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
and read...

The only way repubs win is by cheating.

And you are allowed to think anything you want... I choose the truth...

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
38. Nobody needs to be convinced. It's a small-time conspiracy theory
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:43 PM
Tuesday

on the fringes of the internet.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
39. The packed and stolen Republican Supreme Court ruled that voters can be purged...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:49 PM
Tuesday

This is not the 'fringes' of the internet. Republicans cannot win a fair election.

All they had to do is purge enough voters in the swing states and they 'win'.

It is amazing that people are so adamant that this was a fair election...

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
40. Why do you suppose actual credible people like Marc Elias are not leading the charge or embracing these theories?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:53 PM
Tuesday

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
42. I don't have to. I know he's not gullible enough to fall for dumb conspiracy theories pushed by hucksters.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:55 PM
Tuesday

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
45. That's just it... it isn't a conspircy theory
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:13 PM
Tuesday

Millions of legal voters were purged in the swing states...

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
47. And yet no one with any credibility has embraced the idea that the election was stolen.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:23 PM
Tuesday

Wiz Imp

(3,102 posts)
75. Yeah he's real credible...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:42 PM
Tuesday

In fact he was dead on with his prediction on what would happen in the 2008 election:

After Palast was invited by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to appear on his Air America talk show to discuss, among other things, election fraud, the pair teamed up to publish a report in October 2008 in Rolling Stone, concluding that the 2008 election had already been stolen. "If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat John McCain at the polls -- they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering", Palast and Kennedy summarized. To combat the extensive acts of voter suppression that Palast and Kennedy uncovered, the duo launched a campaign called Steal Back Your Vote, which features a website and free downloadable voter guide / adult comic book.


Yep. He teamed up with the very smart and reliable RFK jr and said the 2008 election was already stolen before it even happened. The election that Obama won by 10 million votes.

MichMan

(13,919 posts)
51. Why were Gretchen Whitmer and Jocelyn Benson complicit in disenfranchising Michigan voters? n/t
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:39 PM
Tuesday

MichMan

(13,919 posts)
60. Palast said the swing states (like Michigan) illegally purged millions of voters
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:49 PM
Tuesday

I am curious why Whitmer and Benson would do such a thing. Seems odd that they would be involved in a scheme to hurt Harris given they both were actively supporting her campaign.

MichMan

(13,919 posts)
64. You still haven't answered why Democrats like Whitmer and Benson would be involved in illegal vote suppression
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:59 PM
Tuesday

All I see is a lot of unfounded accusations on how the swing states all suppressed votes to get Trump elected.

ForgedCrank

(2,487 posts)
49. "The only way repubs win is by cheating."
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:33 PM
Tuesday

This manner of thinking is why we lost, not cheating.
Until we start looking at ourselves and our promoted policy, this will never change. Some may not like it, but the truth is quite often a hard pill to swallow. Most Americans rejected Democratic Party policies and operations. Illegal immigration being one of the larger factors, and I'll admit it, the real numbers are atrocious and the optics are very damaging. We can acknowledge those things and adjust, or continue with Trump=Hitler and keep losing. I choose to win.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
53. Actually MOST Americans support Democratic policies.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:45 PM
Tuesday

It is interesting that you think that 'Most Americans rejected Democratic Party policies and operations."

ForgedCrank

(2,487 posts)
70. What is
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:21 PM
Tuesday

so "interesting" about it? Is that the over-used and tired veiled accusation I am so used to for telling the truth around here?
Yes, most Americans. In case you didn't notice, $%^*% Donald Trump is in office now, Not Kamala Harris, and the Republicans own both houses. That means we lost, because "most Americans" rejected us. It's a math thing.

orleans

(35,512 posts)
87. at least in illinois
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:55 PM
20 hrs ago

i think people who do provisional have to take ids in to the county within a period of time otherwise those provisionals don't get counted. if people are not told this or are unaware, then their vote isn't counted



Additional information
If you have any information, identification or documents (e.g. receipt from the Secretary of State’s Office, copy from a deputy registration form) to show that you are a registered voter or eligible to vote, please:

Provide it to the election judges on Election Day.
Bring it to the Election Authority’s office.
The Election Authority’s office must receive all supporting information before the close of business on the Thursday following Election Day.


(bold is mine)
https://eslelections.illinois.gov/provisional-voting/




SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
88. Yes you are correct...
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 01:05 PM
20 hrs ago

A provisional ballot voter must go to their county and provide id info and once authenticated, their ballot is counted.

Problem is that most voters don't know to do this...

orleans

(35,512 posts)
108. that's what i was saying - if they aren't told or hear about this on a liberal radio station chances are they don't kno
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 08:01 PM
13 hrs ago

know to do this

if there are a lot of prov. ballots it could make a real difference

questionseverything

(10,379 posts)
92. Also worth noting, Illinois has same day registration so even if you were purged you could register that day
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 01:43 PM
19 hrs ago

Most states people don’t have that option

Silent Type

(7,880 posts)
55. In Atlanta in 2018, Palast started this junk. The Atlanta Journal found 4 people who couldn't vote, but turned out
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:46 PM
Tuesday

all 4 went to wrong precinct from where they were registered. The wrong precinct still let them file provisional ballots.

In Georgia, you get purged after not voting for like 5 years, then they send one or two mailings, but they still let you vote provisional for a year or two. It takes like 7 years to get purged and it’s almost always due to moving or just not voting. People can reregister on-line.

questionseverything

(10,379 posts)
82. Post #44 has lists of articles showing what you request
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:41 AM
Yesterday

Including about Biden’s justice department suing states for it

Silent Type

(7,880 posts)
94. Then, find of example of just one person who showed up to vote and was denied because they were purged. That is simple.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 01:51 PM
19 hrs ago

Silent Type

(7,880 posts)
93. How far did suits get? Just show me one person that was purged and showed up to vote. That should be simple.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 01:50 PM
19 hrs ago

questionseverything

(10,379 posts)
95. So you are saying president Biden had no reason to file lawsuits?
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 02:09 PM
19 hrs ago

Repubs have built entire organizations like, true vote just to take people off the voters rolls but here on du you are saying that isnt true and our last democratic administration wasted time filing lawsuits about it?

Silent Type

(7,880 posts)
96. I'm saying you can't produce evidence of one person showing up who was purged. If DOJ couldn't either, then
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 02:15 PM
19 hrs ago

the suit was a waste of time. Maybe if we had spent more time focusing on real issues -- and not Greg Palast type BS -- we wouldn't have trump now.

Silent Type

(7,880 posts)
98. Produce it. 3.7M purged votes is proof of nothing but voting rolls have a lot of dead, moved, tuned out people on rolls.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 02:33 PM
19 hrs ago

Maru Kitteh

(29,449 posts)
69. But Rudy is legit famous. This is like that sidekick from ToolTime's 2nd cousin at 4Seasons Landscaping.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:15 PM
Tuesday

Alice Kramden

(2,488 posts)
6. Greg Palast investigation
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:28 PM
Tuesday

Claims Kamala really would've gotten 286 electoral votes, but voter suppression and "Leon's" computers robbed her of it

Emile

(31,840 posts)
10. Just because Trump once orchestrated an insurrection to overthrow
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:34 PM
Tuesday

an election, you really think he would try and steal another election? Yeah, I do too.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
13. Palast isn't some guy on YouTube, and...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:44 PM
Tuesday

He is an investigative journalist with in-depth knowledge on voter purges.

2naSalit

(94,642 posts)
31. And he started...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:09 PM
Tuesday

Way back in 2000 when W was selected. He actually lost but nobody wanted to do anything about it. It's a pattern if it isn't an actual secret policy we don't know about.

He does the homework and digs into the data. It's almost like election fraud is all he investigates. I am sure he did the real research.

FakeNoose

(36,394 posts)
20. Voter names were purged - yes - but many of those voters re-registered and they DID vote
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:06 PM
Tuesday

This guy cannot announce the number of purged voters in total and then claim they weren't allowed to vote. It isn't true. Names were purged in almost every state, because the voter registration rolls were matched against the Drivers License rolls. Whenever the state found a discrepancy, they assumed the drivers license rolls were up-to-date and the voter registration rolls were incorrect.

Names were dropped because
1. people move
2. people get married and change their names
3. people die, or become unable to vote (or drive)
4. people sometimes register to vote under a different name, example "Bob Jones" instead of "Robert Jones"

Were city dwellers more likely than rural folks to be purged? Yes because they move more often, they tend to be younger and change jobs and residences more often. Were more Democrats purged than Republicans? Probably, and for the above reasons.

However every voter who discovered they were dropped was able to re-register AND vote. They needed to show a photo ID, and they needed to show proof of their address, just as they did when they qualified for a Drivers License. It's not brain surgery.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
25. No, these voters were purged because they were...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:13 PM
Tuesday

Because they were Black, Democrats, and Hispanics.

questionseverything

(10,379 posts)
29. Just as an example, in ny to vote in the general election you must be registered by October 25th
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:51 PM
Tuesday

That’s hard to do if you didn’t know you were purged

The only places that a person could be purged and actually vote is a state with same day registration…. Please don’t say no they could get a provisional ballot because they practically never get counted


I don’t understand democrats that cant or won’t admit that tptb makes it difficult for poor people to vote

Buddyzbuddy

(254 posts)
34. Wow, I guess all of the hub bub about purged voters
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:30 PM
Tuesday

has all been b.s.. Nothing to see here.
I'm curious what is the all important purpose of purging votes in typically red states if, as you state they're just people who've moved to another state. Where is the "proof" that they're double voting or somebody is impersonating them to vote in the state they moved from.
It is a strategy that works, that's why it's utilized. The only question is the numbers. But if only 1 voter is intentionally prevented from voting, we as Americans should be really pissed off and motivated to recognize, challenge and eliminate this strategy.
If you're sincerely a Democrat, your efforts would be better utilized working positively towards more of us voting instead of negatively attacking our own for no better reason than "I'm right and you're wrong". Ask yourself, what if. What if Palast is right? Even if half the numbers are correct. On the other hand, if it's not true and it's just to sell books, how does that affect you? Or us as Democrats.

B.See

(4,210 posts)
44. EXACTLY. I don't know what's worse,
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:09 PM
Tuesday

denialism, glittering generalities, or willful ignorance. Yeah, I guess "most" people who are purged from rolls can go about re-registering IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE PURGED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

But the simple fact is that when voter "purges" erroneously remove people from rolls, including states that engage in secret removals via QUIETLY dropping voters from rolls for being "inactive" then it is in essence VOTER SUPPRESSION.

And it's NO COINCIDENCE that the people who are hard at work depriving others of their right to VOTE are Republicans. And MOST of us know why.

So I, for one, am not as inclined to make excuses for THAT kind of shit.

Swing states are quietly purging thousands from voter rolls, and legitimate citizens keep getting removed - Fortune

Eligible voters are being swept up in conservative activists' efforts to purge voter rolls - CBS

10 States Purged Over 19 Million Voters Between 2020 and 2022 Electoral Cycles - Truthout This amounts to 8.5 percent of the registered U.S. electorate being prevented from exercising their right to vote.


Protecting Voter Registration: An Assessment of Voter Purge Policies in Ten States - Demos.org

Voter Purges - Brennen Center for Justice

OHIO THEN:

Why Ohio has purged at least 200,000 from the voter rolls - PBS News Hour


AND NOW:

Ohio has purged thousands of voters. Watchdog says it has the worst safeguards - News 5 Cleveland





Kid Berwyn

(18,899 posts)
46. I was wondering where all the people who voted for her in 2020 went to.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:17 PM
Tuesday

Greg Palast rocks.

The Truth Buried Alive

—By Greg Palast, From The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (Penguin/Plume, 2003)

Source: UTNE Reader
April 2003 Issue

EXCERPT...

Bad news. In July 2001, in the middle of trying to get out the word of the theft of the election in Florida, I was about to become the guinea pig, the test case, for an attempt by a multinational corporation to suppress free speech in the USA using British libel law. I have a U.S.-based Web site for Americans who can’t otherwise read my columns or view my BBC television reports. The gold-mining company held my English newspaper liable for aggravated damages for my publishing the story in the USA. If I did not pull the Bush-Barrick story off my U.S. Web site, my paper would face a ruinously costly fight.(1)

Panicked, the Guardian legal department begged me to delete not just the English versions of the story but also my Spanish translation, printed in Bolivia. (Caramba!)

The Goldfingers didn’t stop there. [font color="green"]Barrick’s lawyers told our papers that I personally would be sued in the United Kingdom over Web publications of my story in America, because the Web could be accessed in Britain. The success of this legal strategy would effectively annul the U.S. Bill of Rights.[/font color] Speak freely in the USA, but if your words are carried on a U.S. Web site, you may be sued in Britain. The Declaration of Independence would be null and void, at least for libel law. Suddenly, instead of the Internet becoming a means of spreading press freedom, the means to break through censorship, it would become the electronic highway for delivering repression.

And repression was winning. InterPress Services (IPS) of Washington, DC, sent a reporter to Tanzania with Lissu. They received a note from Barrick that said if the wire service ran a story that repeated the allegations, the company would sue. IPS did not run the story.

I was worried about Lissu. On July 19, 2001, a group of Tanzanian police interest lawyers wrote the nation’s president asking for an investigation–instead, Lissu’s law partner in Dar es Salaam was arrested. The police were hunting for Lissu. They broke into his home and office and turned them upside down looking for the names of Lissu’s sources, his whereabouts and the evidence he gathered on the mine site clearance. This was more than a legal skirmish. Over the next months, demonstrations by vicims’ families were broken up by police thugs. A member of Parliament joining protesters was beaten and hospitalized. I had to raise cash quick to get Lissu out, and with him, his copies of police files with more evidence of the killings. I called Maude Barlow, the “Ralph Nader of Canada”, head of the Council of Canadians. Without hesitation, she teamed up with Friends of the Earth in Holland, raised funds and prepared a press conference–and in August tipped the story to the Globe & Mail, Canada’s national paper.

CONTINUED...

Original link busted: http://www.mapcruzin.com/palast-2.htm

Waybac: https://web.archive.org/web/20030627103036/http://www.mapcruzin.com/palast-2.htm


Polybius

(18,930 posts)
72. They voluntarily stood home
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:46 PM
Tuesday

2020 was different, it was never ever going to be replicated. Mail-in was urged. So many people that never voted gave it a try. Many never voted again because it was "too much work."

Diraven

(1,141 posts)
54. So if voter purges don't help Republicans win
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:46 PM
Tuesday

How come their the only party obsessed with doing them?

usonian

(15,378 posts)
63. Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:57 PM
Tuesday

Posted at: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219947040

copy

by Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report January 24, 2025

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won.

Hartmann:
https://hartmannreport.com/p/0ef5118a-d23b-4842-8ebc-da9b578f73fc

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

But if you’re expecting a sexy story about Elon Musk messing with vote-counting software from outer space, sorry, you won’t get that here. As in Bush v. Gore in 2000, and in too many other miscarriages of Democracy, this election was determined by good old “vote suppression,” the polite term we use for shafting people of color out of their ballot. We used to call it Jim Crow.


They're not original thinkers. Jim Crow must go.




Botany

(72,923 posts)
66. Tip of the iceberg. I will guarantee a lot more than 3.5 million voters wore thrown off the voter rolls.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:05 PM
Tuesday

This was on the front end of the steal and Musk & the GRU were in the back end being into
what Trump called, those vote counting computers aka central tabulation units looking @ the
voting data as Musk is there with his ready made tranche of Republican votes from the d-base
of votes that he had data mined with shit like paying $100 to get somebody to register to vote.

Btw Botany =

Botany

(72,923 posts)
77. You want proof?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:49 PM
Tuesday

Look who is in the White House. End of story.

The Fix was in. I know my stuff. I’m not your
trick pony dancing 4 you. I have done election protection work for 20 years.

Do you want to have a Romper Room “sharing circle?”



That election was as dirty as if you ate two McDonald’s
Filet of Fish Sandwiches and your body was like, “get that crap out of me,” underwear. True story
that happened to me. both my shit filled underwear story and seeing/hearing election dirt up front
of me. The GOP cheats.

tintinvotes

(52 posts)
101. Cheaters cheat
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 06:18 PM
15 hrs ago

He cheated on all 3 wives, golf, his taxes and the last election. He was headed to jail if he didn't win, but sure no cheating this time
Btw, the dotard admitted to his followers the night before the inauguration that eloon's fancy vote counting machines are the reason he "won"

Polybius

(18,930 posts)
73. Yeah sure
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:47 PM
Tuesday

It figures that a lunatic like Kyle Kulinski would promote a conspiracy like this.

Self Esteem

(1,885 posts)
79. This is such dangerous rhetoric.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:53 PM
Tuesday

But it's funny watching our side make the same baseless accusations that the right spent four years making - and all of us calling out because of how dangerous it was. I guess in the end, neither side has a monopoly on election denialism.

Where does he get these numbers? How can you state with such certainty that 3.5 million of these voters were Harris voters? Did he go and interview every single person to get their intent?

People are purged from voter rolls all the time - yes, even in Blue States. In 2019, California purged 1.5 million voters leading up to the 2020 presidential election.

Plenty of valid voters are removed when they're deemed inactive. How many of the 3.5 million cited here fit that?

This is actually federal law as dictated by the National Voter Registration Act. Guess which president signed that into law?

It starts with a Bill and ends with a Clinton.

Thee are real concerns about voter purging but it does no one any good to spread misinformation and deception. This is how people tune these concerns out. Unless this person has indisputable proof that 3.5 million voters went to the polls on election day with the intent to vote for Harris, but were denied a provisional ballot and were unable to vote - then sensationalizing election security does no one any good.

To quote Joe Biden, "you can't just accept the election results when you win...".

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
89. Read the Palast article...
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 01:28 PM
20 hrs ago
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Democratic voters were singled out for voter suppression via voter purges. Black, brown, and younger Democrats were identified and removed. Palast is an investigative reporter who analyzed the data.

This isn't misinformation. Millions of eligible Dem voters were purged.

And get this: the Supreme Court ruled that these purges are 'legal'. There is zero oversight in these purges.

So, not this isn't dangerous rhetoric. We need to scream that these purges are anti-democratic and needs to be heavily regulated.

Self Esteem

(1,885 posts)
100. I did. No evidence was provided that a) these were active voters b) Democratic voters and C) Harris voters.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 05:57 PM
15 hrs ago

Nothing in this article suggests these people even attempted to vote.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
103. No evidence?
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 06:31 PM
15 hrs ago

So, if you were purged from the voter rolls, how could there be evidence that you tried to vote?

And why are so many here fighting and demanding there was no voter purges and everything was above board? Interesting…

Self Esteem

(1,885 posts)
105. Yup. No evidence. Zero.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:15 PM
14 hrs ago

The claim is that Harris was robbed of these voters. The onus is on the person making the claim. To prove that is the case, you would have to find the intent of every single one of these voters. Nowhere in this article is that done. We don't know whether these people are inactive voters, who haven't voted in multiple presidential elections, relocated voters whose information wasn't updated correctly - or if they even planned on voting. Or maybe they did vote but got a provisional ballot.

The post is making massive assumptions with that number.

SnoopDog

(2,524 posts)
106. I'm guessing that you don't understand voter purges...
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:24 PM
14 hrs ago

If I may, read up on Republican Voter Purges...

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