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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust waiting for the outrage when ICE goes into meat and chicken
packing facilities. If not from the corporations, but from consumers when ground beef becomes scarce and costs $12.99 a pound in the supermarkets.
Lovie777
(15,950 posts)prices are going upward, and the eggs are higher.
Oneear
(309 posts)The problem is there is No one with the Skills to take these Jobs
Maraya1969
(23,103 posts)Swede
(35,142 posts)All jobs need skills.
BoRaGard
(3,725 posts)Like every trade, it requires education and skill to do it right.
Itchinjim
(3,127 posts)And yes skills and no they're not being sarcastic.
Nice way to win over the working class.
Maraya1969
(23,103 posts)are cutting lawns. But it is not like you need to spends years or get a PHD for them. And that is not a judgement on anyone who works them.
I could never be a butcher or work in a meat packing plant. I can't even cut up a chicken because raw meat makes me gag. I know these people do hard jobs that many other people would not or could not do.
Mysterian
(5,265 posts)and stop denigrating them.
lapfog_1
(30,413 posts)without cutting your own fingers off?
I haven't.
But when I was a teen, my father had me do all kinds of "menial" jobs like bailing hay, cutting weeds from soybeans before harvest, picking strawberries, and as a installer of iron fencing ( welder's assistant ).
They all require skill, some were dangerous.
He had me do these jobs to both respect the people that do them and to motivate me to complete my education so I could work a desk job instead.
ajmstpete
(26 posts)Working in a beef packing plant is not at all like working at a grocery store or butcher. They are working side by side others handling knives making the same cuts over and over all damn shift long with line speeds that are ridiculous and grade changes. Go sit outside a processing plant at shift change and see who is working there. They work their asses off all day, every day.
eppur_se_muova
(37,987 posts)... and very little oversight of horrible working conditions. Employers are completely reliant on immigrant labor to keep these industries running. tsf may very well have just crippled their business for months to come, even if the actions are immediately rescinded.
Dumpy
(71 posts)haele
(13,787 posts)Who are "too good" to do such menial work as meat packing, agricultural, piece manufacturing, or roofing.
They're perfectly fine swaggering around wearing a badge, being heros in their own mind, or playing video games working a "management" or independent job that gives them a chance for long breaks or socializing time.
But manual labor is for Manuel, not Daddy and Mommy's Golden Boy...
OldBaldy1701E
(6,968 posts)They are being very public about this. They are showing that things will only be okay for us if we fall down and obese before the orange gibbon. They want the outrage. It is sweet as nectar to them. And they know that they will always be able to get meat. They can afford it regardless of any price increases. As to the rest?
They don't care. Which is why I don't care about them. I despise this development, as I am always trying to be a humanist. The issue is, their behavior shows me that they do not deserve to be referred to as 'human'.
Walleye
(37,238 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(6,968 posts)I cannot argue with that, as history shows it enough times.
I can hope that we will finally have our 'Star Trek' moment and stop with all the pettiness. The heights we could reach if we would just stop trying to outdo each other over petty greed and even pettier egos.
Think. Again.
(20,794 posts)...our government is rounding people up and putting them in camps that angers people, it'll be the price of hamburgers.
AllyCat
(17,387 posts)Supported Trumsk is money. And it will come for us all.
SallyHemmings
(1,917 posts)80% of the employees did not show up on Tuesday.
Buckle up.
BoRaGard
(3,725 posts)tanyev
(45,064 posts)SallyHemmings
(1,917 posts)Not sure about the rest...
In my department, I would say it's a split.
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underpants
(188,096 posts)Nebraska (meat packing central) is openly talking about just letting anyone ANYONE come there to fill the spots.
NPR report this week. Nebraska has 39 bodies to fill every 100 jobs in meat packing as it is.
Irish_Dem
(62,197 posts)It will just be the blue states that suffer?
bronxiteforever
(9,710 posts)GOP insiders called the last Trump tax scheme the destroy the Democratic Party tax. They targeted the local tax deductions to destroy cities.
Also I am sure that contributors to the GOP, I mean King Trump, will pay their protection price to the powers that be. The GOP will run a mafia type government with plenty of opportunities at the feeding trough for the right people.
Irish_Dem
(62,197 posts)Yes Trump is King or Emperor running a protection racket.
underpants
(188,096 posts)As tishLA posted below, North Carolina will be interesting to watch. The Smithfield Packing plant in Tar Heel NC processes and average of 30,000 pigs every day and they openly advertise for workers on the Mexican border - if you can get there, youll have a job.
Trump is going to Western NC soon to bathe in their misery. Dem Governor but hard Republican in a lot of ways.
tishaLA
(14,436 posts)Lots and lots of meat production, a fairly large undocumented community, a just barely red state that relies on that industry economically....
Bengus81
(7,717 posts)Most in the far western part of the State. Let's see Trump go after both of those.
underpants
(188,096 posts)Eastern shore has always been migrant labor, seafood has lots of undocumented as well does the chicken rendering plants in the Shenandoah Valley.
Dem governor but both legislative houses are Repuke controlled.
lame54
(37,369 posts)They will fill the red states
Maga dream
modrepub
(3,678 posts)To cause economic disruption only in areas where Dems are in office.
Irish_Dem
(62,197 posts)To punish and bankrupt blue states.
Bengus81
(7,717 posts)FUCK em,hope it kills their bottom line.
Irish_Dem
(62,197 posts)The corporations think they can buy their way out of all of this.
The orange felon had publicly stated he is targeting blue states
MayReasonRule
(2,042 posts)... on the rare occasion I purchase ground beef...
elocs
(23,154 posts)Yes, you can stock up on things, but prepping is really only short term, maybe a few weeks or months for a disaster.
Realistically, next to nobody will be able to stock up for a year, 2 years, 4 years.
America will come to know third world hunger. Well, this will cure our obesity and diabetes epidemic.
no_hypocrisy
(49,765 posts)in pre-Glastnos Russia.
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live love laugh
(14,812 posts)Bettie
(17,592 posts)to make up for it, because rich people will be mad that the food budget it higher, so they'll take it out of the staff's wages.
Lovie777
(15,950 posts)as well. Tariffs itself will hurt red states too. As Mr. Spock would say "illogical".
Diraven
(1,142 posts)Also several chicken processing plants staffed primarily by immigrants (though the companies deny it, it's an open secret). We're going to be hit hard.
LiberalArkie
(17,019 posts)Per local media.
ERO in plain clothes and unmarked vehicles.
For those who want to read. https://www.reddit.com/r/bentonville/comments/1i89cuw/possible_ice_in_benton_county/
Bengus81
(7,717 posts)Can't wait to see how that plays out.
LiberalArkie
(17,019 posts)sinkingfeeling
(53,656 posts)I truly miss the real 'Mexican' restaurants as well, since I moved to farmland Illinois.
Seemed like we lived in harmony between the races. I don't understand the problem TSF sees.
LiberalArkie
(17,019 posts)to get rid of the small home builders (migrants) to stay in business. Probably the poultry and meat processing unions want them gone so they can get the work at higher wages.
sinkingfeeling
(53,656 posts)immigrants?
LiberalArkie
(17,019 posts)When I was going to a gym in Little Rock a couple of the guys that were always next to me were in home construction and were always complaining about the Mexicans always under cutting them. They said they could not compete with them as they charged half of what they did.
Oh there will be plenty of places. Just expect to have to pay a lot more with the insurance only picking up less than half of the cost.
sinkingfeeling
(53,656 posts)job because the roof was "too steep". Both times an Anglo guy did the estimates and the job was done by an all immigrant crew.
LiberalArkie
(17,019 posts)3Hotdogs
(13,767 posts)The local outrage is because US citizens were also detained.
Luz
(804 posts)these businesses get arrested for their hiring practices. Oh, wait, they're probably rich Republicans. Never mind.
eppur_se_muova
(37,987 posts)I suspect this was in the plan before the raids started.
CanonRay
(15,008 posts)and then those raids won't happen.
LeftInTX
(31,915 posts)He's gonna raid taquerias and taco trucks.
ananda
(31,137 posts)And even if some of them do, will it be enough?
Johnny2X2X
(22,077 posts)These places will just have to learn to bribe the right Trump officials.
Blue states and cities are going to be targeted first. If a corporation donated to the Trump campaign, they'll do whatever they like as long as they keep donating to other Trump associates.
republianmushroom
(18,614 posts)LeftInTX
(31,915 posts)Mysterian
(5,265 posts)Weird, huh?