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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/22/us/trump-newsOne day after his charges stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol were dismissed in light of Trumps sweeping pardons this week, Daniel Charles Ball of Florida was re-arrested on new gun charges. As first reported by Kyle Cheney of Politico, Ball was picked up in Florida on a warrant accusing him of being a felon in possession of a weapon. In the Jan. 6 case, he was charged with detonating an explosive device during the attack on the Capitol, injuring several police officers.
Ocelot II
(122,615 posts)Some of those assholes will be incorrigible.
Irish_Dem
(63,019 posts)We shall see how that plays out.
Igel
(36,515 posts)The two cases are related, however. The firearm charge stems from the May 2023 search of his Florida residence on a warrant in his Jan. 6 case. During the search, FBI agents reportedly discovered a loaded .22-caliber rifle, rifle ammunition and multiple commercially produced explosive devices agents reported being the same style of device Ball would later tell agents the threw at officers on January 6, according to a detention memo filed in federal court.
No claim he did anything after being released/charges dropped except go home.
Irish_Dem
(63,019 posts)SheilaAnn
(10,280 posts)Lonestarblue
(12,193 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,637 posts)a guy took his assault weapon to a family owned pizza place, because he was told Hillary was operating a child prostitution ring in the basement???????
Well, a few weeks ago, he was flaunting? his automatic weapon at Police and they ended up shooting and killing him......
Ocelot II
(122,615 posts)madinmaryland
(65,262 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,637 posts)74+ million others............
Brenda
(1,428 posts)Edgar Maddison Welch made headlines in 2016 when he drove from North Carolina to pursue bogus claims that the Comet Ping Pong restaurant was the nexus of a child sex ring linked to Hillary Clinton's inner circle.
He served four years in prison for the shooting, before being released in March 2020.
Welch, now 36, died from his wounds caused by two police officers who fired at him after he pulled out a handgun during a traffic stop in Kannapolis, North Carolina, on 4 January, officials said on Thursday.
1.9.25
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8y007lj68o
DoBW
(2,227 posts)there' s a curse upon the land
William769
(56,581 posts)Baitball Blogger
(49,001 posts)Ocelot II
(122,615 posts)He was pardoned for his Jan. 6 crime but not for subsequently being a felon in possession of a firearm, which he was at the time the warrant was issued.
Baitball Blogger
(49,001 posts)Or is it that he purchased the gun improperly?
Ocelot II
(122,615 posts)Trumps pardons and commutations, as broad as they were, offer Ball no protection here for these gun charges stemming from a separate indictment. Similarly, any new crimes committed by other Jan. 6 rioters would result in new charges and arrests, and they would have no shield from prosecution.
Hekate
(95,959 posts)Ocelot II
(122,615 posts)Nasruddin
(929 posts)Trump may need a good man like that. So....
TomSlick
(12,106 posts)I was wondering if that was the case.
Baitball Blogger
(49,001 posts)I said, Thank you! And now only 1599 more to go.
Bernardo de La Paz
(52,284 posts)GoCubsGo
(33,404 posts)It doesn't give them a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. A lot of these assholes committed crimes before the insurrection, and most of them will commit other crimes once they're out of prison. Trump's pardon does not apply there.
whopis01
(3,778 posts)It removes the punishment, but not the conviction.
Anyone who was convicted of a felony and later pardoned is still a felon. The conviction still stands.
It is weird and confusing - but this is how it works. A pardon is not a declaration of innocence, it is an act of mercy. It is an executive action, not a judicial action.
AkFemDem
(2,374 posts)Pre-Jan 6
Ocelot II
(122,615 posts)Grins
(8,011 posts)Accepting a pardon is accepting guilt for the charges.
It is a reason why those convicted will refuse a pardon if they are fighting the conviction; accepting a pardon makes that moot and any appeal is over.
Igel
(36,515 posts)In early December when Trump said he'd pardon the J6 folk, the Biden-Harris DOJ said (citing SCOTUS) that acceptance would be an admission of guilt.
Then when Biden pardoned his family and various people on the J6 committee and witnesses he said explicitly that accepting them was no admission of guilt. And a lot of people said that Biden was right and SCOTUS was way off base and nobody, but nobody, should take accepting the pardon as an admission of guilt.
So there you go. Do you want SCOTUS/DOJ's or President Biden's take?
whopis01
(3,778 posts)A pardon is considered and act of mercy, not a declaration of innocence.
It is weird - and the writings around it are confusing - but a pardon does not remove a conviction.
bucolic_frolic
(48,372 posts)sarisataka
(21,480 posts)a pardon does not necessarily restore all rights
FSogol
(47,114 posts)Those idiots think they are invincible and won't follow the proper process.
This clown is just the first of many.
Judi Lynn
(162,815 posts)NBC Universal
Ryan J. Reilly
Updated May 3, 2023 at 12:02 AM
WASHINGTON The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Florida man who federal authorities say set off an explosive device in a Capitol tunnel during a fierce battle between Trump supporters and law enforcement officers on Jan. 6.
Daniel Ball of Homosassa is charged with 12 counts, including assaulting, resisting or impeding officers with a deadly or dangerous weapon; using an explosive to commit any felony; and obstruction of law enforcement during a civil disorder.
He is the only Jan. 6 defendant charged with setting off an explosive device during the attack on the Capitol.
Authorities say Ball, 38, "worked with other rioters to violently push against fully uniformed police officers attempting to keep individuals out of the Capitol Building" and then "threw an explosive device into the entranceway."
Several officers suffered effects from the explosion, the FBI said. One described hearing impairment lasting months; another described the pain of his ears ringing as a 10/10 on the pain scale and said that he temporarily lost his hearing and that his hearing was affected for at least two days. Another officer reported ringing in the ears for nearly three hours, while another said the ringing lasted far into the next day, according to the FBI.
More:
https://www.aol.com/news/florida-man-charged-setting-off-032919377.html
So sad. In his portrait, he looks like such a bright, good person!
Mike 03
(18,005 posts)I wish there were an online casino where we could bet on how long until the first:
Barricade situation
Arrest for transporting a cache of weapons and explosives
Domestic homicide
Murder-suicide
Mass shooting
involving a pardoned or commuted J6er.
We will have to wait hours or days, not weeks or even months or years.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,219 posts)Maybe the head of the Proud Boys? Stuart Rhoads? Anyhow, his former wife and kids are now scared as hell that he's out. She said he was violent before this, and I'll bet he's worse now.
Like most folks here, I've never been a person who believed violence solved anything. It took the "Night Stalker" in LA before I let a gun in the house. But with these guys? Anyone who had anything to do with their arrests needs to arm themselves. If these guys start getting picked off when they show up to hurt people (and they will), they may go back into their caves. Let's cement them in this time.
Just remember..."Officer, I feared for my life". It won't be a lie.
Silent Type
(8,059 posts)no_hypocrisy
(49,918 posts)Dem4life1970
(678 posts)This is WAY worse! A felon President releasing terrorists back into America.
Midnight Writer
(23,385 posts)White people don't do crimes.
They make mistakes.
calimary
(85,095 posts)In CUSTODY!!!
SheltieLover
(61,836 posts)Paladin
(29,295 posts)LudwigPastorius
(11,482 posts)question everything
(49,472 posts)SWBTATTReg
(24,674 posts)get rearrested, do a week by week count, post it on DU. And, when we charge these thugs w/the new criminal counts, ensure that they are state charges too, not federal so the slob pos can't pardon them then.
stollen
(681 posts)with these violent insurrectionists.
Bird Lady
(1,974 posts)Was he a felon before J6? Did he come out of prison and buy a new gun?
What happened to his pardon. Personally I have no problem with him being arrested again,
I just thought he like felonious45 was immune.
AkFemDem
(2,374 posts)Bird Lady
(1,974 posts)mdbl
(5,600 posts)Keep Dump's small grubby hands away from it.
GreenWave
(9,989 posts)How he could not commit crimes the way the Orange Antichrist does, made him want to impress his hero.
Ford_Prefect
(8,261 posts)The pardon means you don't do more time for the crime you committed.
It does NOT erase the charges, the findings of the court, or the recommendations of the parole officer.
moonshinegnomie
(3,026 posts)if they jay walk. arrest them
speed 1 mph over the limit. ticket them
make their lives hell
Nigrum Cattus
(340 posts)You just can't make this shit up
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ck4829
(36,524 posts)doc03
(37,311 posts)uponit7771
(92,308 posts)louis-t
(23,939 posts)He'll be too busy pardoning recidivists.
Dem4life1234
(2,331 posts)They just can't help themselves and many of these idiots will get arrested and thrown in prison, and no one will pardon them.
Bristlecone
(10,576 posts)surfered
(4,667 posts)Katinfl
(289 posts)Martin68
(24,887 posts)SunSeeker
(54,423 posts)A lot of stunning (and very disturbing) video evidence here for folks who say Trump supporters committed no violence on 1/6/21:
https://www.govinfo.gov/collection/january-6th-committee-final-report?path=/GPO/January%206th%20Committee%20Final%20Report%20and%20Supporting%20Materials%20Collection
I hope it is also archived elsewhere. Trump will try to shut down this site.
Adam Kinzinger is spreading word about the site:
eppur_se_muova
(38,170 posts)Justice matters.
(7,799 posts)mob boss will pardon him again...
ificandream
(10,991 posts)ChazInAz
(2,828 posts)If some low-life scofflaw doxed all of these suffering martyrs for freedumb?
Why, the poor souls would find that they must constantly watch their backs instead of enjoying their new-found liberation.
That would be a shame.