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I don't think that the ERA will be accepted as an amendment because of three factors.
1) Some states have rescinded their approval.
2) The deadline was 1982.
3) Biden's statement of agreement with the American Bar Association that the ERA has been approved to become a constitutional amendment has no legal power. It is only a statement of his view.
But, by making this public statement, Biden is stirring conversation again on making women's rights into national law. By doing it just 3 days before Trump's swearing in, it falls to Trump and his MAGA regime to reject it.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)The excerpt below is just that.. please read the full piece at the link above (where he addresses specifically every one of nylib's points.
Laurence Tribe - The Equal Rights Amendment at Long Last [View all]
It is not necessary for the National Archivist to publish the ERA in order for it to be adopted according to the provisions of the Constitution.
In our modern age of broadcast, cable and internet communication, the Presidents announcement itself performed that function.
Accordingly, our Constitution now demands that equality of rights under the law cannot be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of sex.
Its long past time!
Polybius
(18,727 posts)Gonna have to wait and see. It's still not on any government website list of official Amendments.
onenote
(44,874 posts)The proclamation by Biden doesn't change anything. Virginia became the 38th state to ratify it five years ago. By the terms of the amendment, it became effective three years ago. The amendment states that "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. During the past 3 years, Congress has not adopted such legislation nor, to the best of my knowledge, have there been any successful attempts to bring lawsuits challenging laws or other actions as being contrary to the amendment. There is zero chance of Congress doing anything any time soon and even if they do, it will be challenged in court and the likelihood of the Supreme Court agreeing that it has been ratified seems pretty small.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)us in getting equality and now, wow no fight required. The RW assessment is absolutely "correct"--just as was the discussion after VA passed the ERA.
Why am I reminded of MLK as he wrote in Birmingham jail with re: to this? Such similarities :
that the Negros great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another mans freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a more convenient season.
The great enemy of justice are those moderates who feign outrage at societal injustice, but whose outrage conveniently disappears when real change threatens their status. These moderates are more comfortable leaving unchallenged the assumed moral authority of certain institutions, traditions and practices that are the purveyors of injustice rather than confronting their own role in maintaining these institutions. The hard truth is that the comfort of the status quo is always preferable to pursuing the demands of justice.
I hate that it wasnt ratified in time. But I do like how Biden is trolling repukes on the way out!
wnylib
(25,082 posts)He certainly has more legal knowledge than I do since I have no legal background. But, as we know, even good legal minds differ on legal points. I do not believe that Tribe's view will hold up.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)that Tribe has countered and that we have no chance of anything coming from this. Supposedly, the RW assessment is absolutely undeniable--at least that is what is conveyed
in their posts. As I posted upstream, I am reminded by some of them (given MONDAY is MLK DAY) of MLK's Birmingham Jail assessment of the supposed moderate "friends" of the civil rights movement who gave lip service throughout. The "feminist" men who never thought ERA would ever be ratified and thus were quite happy to pat us all on the heads over these many years now immediately take for truth that the RW assessment is the only assessment. MLK was so damned right in terms of his seeing how "friends" are only "friends" and supportive when they have no skin in the game:
that the Negros great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another mans freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a more convenient season.
The great enemy of justice are those moderates who feign outrage at societal injustice, but whose outrage conveniently disappears when real change threatens their status. These moderates are more comfortable leaving unchallenged the assumed moral authority of certain institutions, traditions and practices that are the purveyors of injustice rather than confronting their own role in maintaining these institutions. The hard truth is that the comfort of the status quo is always preferable to pursuing the demands of justice.
Well, to hell with anyone who does not want to fight for women's rights, LGBTQ rights, equality for POC or anything other than what crumbs we are offered by the RW. I curse them if they truly feel that way just as I do MAGA.
wnylib
(25,082 posts)the ERA is in full effect as an amendment.
Biden is stirring up the conversation, as a parting gift to Trump, but it is not yet established law.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)fully embracing the RW interpretation is anything but overt misogyny at its worst and it seems to be exposing some whose support was always nebulous. Easy to claim support for something you fully believe can/will never take place. "Just give up, ladies. We'll pat your little heads but it is no use fighting the predetermined outcome (that we will grin to ourselves in glee)..."
wnylib
(25,082 posts)it will be rejected. But it's doubtful that it ever will even reach SCOTUS at this point. The ERA stands now in exactly the same position that it was in before Biden's statement. That statement changes nothing legally. It is a political move that brings women's rights back into public attention.
I am quite aware of misogyny at many levels - systemic, individual, religious, and even on the left. I survived a violently abusive marriage in the 1970s and dealt with misogyny and indifference even from other women. There were no women's shelters then, but I was asked, "Why didn't you just leave him sooner?" Or, "What are you doing to anger him so much?" Another gem was, "It's a woman's job to make a marriage successful by creating a happy, stress free home for her husband. What are you doing wrong?"
When I got out (with help from a coworker who had previously divorced an abusive husband)) the ERA had just passed Congress and needed ratification. My attorney gave me dire warnings of having to pay alimony if the ERA was ratified. He also suggested that I made up the abuse story as an excuse to marry someone else and would get in legal trouble if I could not substantiate my claim. I asked if he was representing me or my husband and told him to check hospital and police records for verification. That shut him up. I would have changed lawyers, but had already paid half of his fee and could not afford to start over. I did not know at the time his political party. Years later he rose to national level in the GOP.
Like many other women, I have dealt with sexual harassment at work. I've also been given additional responsibilities when my boss's position was eliminated but without additional pay so I left that job.
I have been a paid and volunteer advocate for women in shelters and for survivors of rape. I've been fighting the women's rights battle for many decades.
Solid legal establishment of equal rights cannot be based on an amendment whose ratification date has passed, from which some states have rescinded their acceptance, and which depends on a MAGA SCOTUS ruling over disputes about its legality. BUT that does not mean that the battle is over and lost. There are other approaches available besides hoping that a MAGA dominated SCOTUS will rule in agreement with Biden's statement.
We can revive the push for women's rights in the public sphere with grass roots forums in person and online. Have women speak about their personal experiences with abortion, domestic violence, workplace discrimination and harassment. Include lawyers for legal Q&A. We can emphasize the positive gains for family income levels and for cutting social services costs to taxpayers.
I know. We've done all that before. This is a new atmosphere with new generations. Grass roots support groups can pressure legislators for action at state and federal levels. Keep the issues in the public's mind. Publicize widely the votes of representatives for or against women's issues. Organize voting blocs against representatives who do not vote for us.
On a national level, we can push for legislation to replace the old ratification date with a newer one, or just abolish the old one.
At the state level, we can push for more ratifications.
It's an uphill fight, as it's always been. Worse now with MAGAs in charge of government. But we can get some momentum from the abortion horrors going on now.
Seeking Serenity
(3,090 posts)Shrek
(4,202 posts)wnylib
(25,082 posts)Biden's timing is no mistake. He is out the door but ERA is back in the limelight and political theater which will be the new republican hot issue in the frying pan if the democrats will keep stoking the fire all four years long.
some political theater. I don't blame him, he was just drawing attention to it one last time.
It's going nowhere though. I'd lay money on that.